df7030 No.662989 [View All]
This a bread to discuss silly alt-history scenarios that would be nigh impossible from a physics standpoint but could still be fun to shitpost about for their sheer absurdity.
Anyhow I've been wondering how WW2 could've turned out if Thule society memesters had used ancient Annunaki magicks to open a 3x3m Stargate between Königsberg and Hsinking by pure luck just prior to the fall of France, allowing for the instantaneous transfer of men and materiel between Japan and Germany over a distance of some seven thousand kilometers.
How deeply would the German and Japanese militaries have cooperated in such an event?
At the minimum I can see the Nips abandon their plans to attack burgers in the Pacific assuming Nippon still gets sanctioned in favor of creating german-trained Tank battalions equipped with license-built Pz. IIIs for the purpose of doing a joint Barbarossa.
Ideally the Luftwaffe and IJN/IJAAS would conduct joint trials and arrange for Japanese aircraft to escort german bombers deep over British territory during the BoB, leading to Nips abandoning their turn fighter autism in favor of cannon-armed high speed energy fighters.
The Kriegsmarine could speed up construction on the Graf Zeppelin and train its crew on Japanese carriers in Asia while the Nips would get german aero engines amid a host of german aircraft designs to directly compare against their own.
Germans could import centimetric Radar from Nips while in turn fixing Japan's crappy AEW doctrine, Nips could sell Type 91 torpedoes to Germans in return for the J1N and Ki-45 getting FuG radar equipment and so on Mussolini would hopefully be too distracted by all the autism to invade Greece.
If word got out to the Allies would they try and stage a joint UK/US/USSR/Free French assault on East Prussia ASAP?
Would Burgers attack Nips preemptively in the Pacific and would Chinese civilians in Nip-conquered areas be less inclined to turn to Mao and other allied scum if the local japanese rape administration were swapped with friendly germans?
How long would german and japanese intelligence even be capable of hiding the Gate from glow in the darks?
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6f0f24 No.678728
I would have much rather given them all US military technology that of the mid to late 50s.
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146f71 No.678777
>>663062
Pretty dank my man, i'm gonna have to save this to my idea folder, i will credit you if i use this publicly for anything.
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0b5496 No.678782
>>677989
>held the industrial and technological advancement of out country back
Industry was growing, railroad networks were expanding and between 1870 and 1913 per capita GNP in Austria-Hungary actually grew at a slightly higher rate than in Britain, France or Germany. The Austrian Empire was more developed than other areas but the Kingdom of Hungary, before World War I, was a major source of food exports to the rest of Europe and had a thriving agricultural industry.
Don't trust modern historians.
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0b5496 No.678783
>>678217
>spoiler
Where would they get the material for a nuke from?
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146f71 No.678801
>>663095
Bolshevist jews use jewish magic to turn 100 million russian slavs into undead golems, great but they keep dying and not procreating so they have to raid all the lands to south of them for slaves.
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0d7493 No.678819
>>663062
>>Africa returns to being the continent where angels fear to tread, not that this stops a few hundred Brit/Euro explorers every year; around campfires everywhere stories are told of the one band of Voortekkers who made it and are living comfortably on the best farm land on the planet; the names dates and details change with every telling though.
Prester John?
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6bfc2a No.684942
imagine if we got a time machine and introduced marxism to the roman empire, any time it would be really intresting
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000497 No.684951
>Zangara hits
>Garner is president
>without New Deal and Agricultural Adjustment Act America recovers early
>Garner isn't trying to drag America into war, there's no embargo or lend lease
>Japan conquers most of Asia, except for American holdings
>without American resources and technology Soviets fall but it's a pyrrhic victory for Germany since they have no way to hold the land with their losses
>Germany collapses from overextending itself and not having the resources to hold its conquest
Fast forward to 1962
>Europe is now mix of collapsed governments and isolated neutral countries, Finland and a diminished France (Free France walked and took Paris back with minimal resistance in after the collapse)
>now lawless wasteland that's host to countless wars by pop-up warlords
>many are likely puppets and proxy governments to Japan, the US or (less likely) a great Britain/France trying to rebuild its empire
Does this sound like a fun and believable setting?
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3dadeb No.684958
>>684951
Can't be fun and believable without the Axis.
Seriously, Germany isn't going to "break up" in 10 years if it wins WW2, that's serious bullshit.
There might be some scuffles between the germans and italian over dividing the spoils but that's it.
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8dbb9f No.684969
>>684951
>Germany collapsing after removing Sovietistan
Why?
They'd probably have less of a partisan/warlord problem than Siberia and the Russian far eastern steppes would unless they decide to gas the entire ethnic Russian population for muh lebensraum.
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8dbb9f No.685010
What if a CY+4 corvette-sized or bigger US Navy warship with an ethnically and sexually diverse crew were to accidentally time travel to the Battle of Midway?
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7a9dd5 No.685039
>>685010
They'd attack the US Navy for being evil segregated racists before finding an oil tanker to crash into.
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000497 No.685040
>>684969
>>684958
The British couldn't control their empire after the men they lost even though they won, and they didn't get in nearly as much a meat grinder as the eastern front.
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7a9dd5 No.685042
>>685040
We couldn't control it because you and the Soviets kept creating communist revolutions in all of the colonies every five seconds.
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2a229b No.685043
>>685010
It'd probably cause a big friendly fire incident creating more damage at once that the Kriegsmarine could even dream of, then it'd turtle and sink with no survivors because mp4 related.
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ab8911 No.685046
>>685042
>picture related
>abloobloo murrica
I mean you absolutely fucked all your third world holdings willingly.
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94c08a No.685063
>>685040
The british empire failed after two fucking centuries at its peak, and after TWO fucking world wars.
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000497 No.685097
>>685063
Yeah, Germany totally wasn't involved in that other one… There's also the leadership struggles in the high command in Germany.
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94c08a No.685100
>>685097
Yeah, and Germany lost. The leadership struggle would be settled by Hitler in case Germany ends the war in a more favorable note.
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8dbb9f No.685157
>>685039
>US Navy suffers crippling losses trying to stop a mystery superwarship from going after their fleet oilers and merchant ships
>the warship eventually sinks itself by ramming a lone oiler after annihilating yet another carrier division, surviving crew is captured and interned
>the crewmembers are so hideous in appearance, behaviour and being that continued exposure to personnel causes said personnel to question the virtues of Democracy, Judaism and FDR's policies
>They are put into some glownig dungeon following various Manhattan project materials being "leaked" to german intelligence by men who had previously served as interrogators and/or prison guards for the mystery ship crew
>This only makes the situation worse as even the most hardened glow in the dark begins to question the US' ultimate goals of the war after watching XO Markize O'Donnell dilate day after day in >her cell Jewish CIA members on the other hand start to secretly jack off and neglect their duties upon such a sight
>Japan captures Midway and Guadalcanal, the battle of the Atlantic drags on and the Afrikakorps is getting dangerously close to Alexandria all thanks to the Royal Navy having to split their forces to make up for USN losses in the Pacific
>Wehrmacht still gets fucked in Stalingrad, but then Nips bully China into surrender and invade the Soviet Union stabilizing the eastern front somewhat
>Nips capture Vladivostok before Soviets redeploy troops to the east in numbers, the IJA gets pushed back hard only for Germans to take advantage of the temporary reduction of Soviet numbers to go all out in Kursk
>By this point the Suez canal is in german hands as the fire rises across the middle east from various anti-semitic Arab uprisings
>Turkey secretly annulls their nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union and allows german troops to pass through their territory for fear of getting Greece'd
>Nips mess up in Burma but their losses are manageable thanks to their merchant fleet being in better shape
>Burgers are starting to push back while Anglos slowly falter and withdraw, what with the loss of the Mediterranean and their convoys still getting regularly attacked by Axis subs
>The exhausted Wehrmacht makes another mad dash for the Caucasus following their hard-fought victory at Kursk, hoping that untested theoretical Wunderwaffen will fix it
>Second battle of Stalingrad ends in 5 seconds thanks to a V2 nuclear strike
>The loss.jpg of six gorillion Soviet troops deployed to Stalingrad from all over the Caucasus combined with a small number of Rommel's troops crossing the weakly guarded Turkish-Soviet border sends the entire Soviet western front into complete disarray
>Chains of command collapse as NKVD officers compete in who can execute more unpatriotic reactionary traitors responsible for this filthy defeat, deployment orders are fudged and/or disappear, Partisan uprisings and purges everywhere with Cities simply surrendering to advancing germans for fear of getting nuked
>Allies finally manage to neutralize the Axis U-boat threat in the Atlantic, Anglostan is more or less dependent on the US Navy for survival as its fleets are scattered and depleted
>News of the German capture of Baku and their unchecked advance towards Moscow complete with Finland capturing all of its rightful clay send Burger high command into a frenzy, they nuke Paris out of nowhere
>US foreign relations crash with no survivors as Free French forces turn traitor and join up with the Afrikalegion, Spain+Portugal join the Axis and various Anglo colonies declare independence and make peace with the Axis powers
>Half of South America breaks off relations with the US and writes applications to join the Axis, complete with trade embargoes on the US through what little naval prowess South American countries can muster
>before the US can redirect its attention to yet another god damn front FDR is assassinated by an Ultranationalist ethno-Patriot faction within the CIA
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072637 No.685185
>>685042
Uh you created yhe bolshevik revolution and funded the slaughter of the Romanov family.
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1f95e2 No.685195
>The Library of Alexandria manages to avoid the fires from burning Julius Caesar's military vessels reaching them and destroying 40,000 scrolls
>Library continues to see some level of support from the Roman government instead of being burned to the ground because they didn't lose their works
>Manages long enough to make it to the same era as its sister library; the Serapeum
>Alexandria becomes known as a city of scholars and a renaissance of the spreading of information and scholarly pursuits follows shortly after
>Neither library is burned down
>Knowledge is being continuously stolen lost
>Neo-platonists come to an agreement with the Rhodes school and the Hellenists to come up with a working printing press to more easily distribute the knowledge previously held by papyrus scrolls
>The Caesareum and the Claudianum in Alexandria aren't forced to borrow scrolls from the library because of this printing technology, and information is quickly disseminated among the masses
>In fact these three libraries join together to form a triumvirate to protect knowledge
>This quick spreading of information due to the printing press innovations gives the lords of Europe reason to make all tradesmen literate
>Literacy rate of the western world gets into the double digits once more
>During the Palmyrene rebellion and Diocletian's siege, the library's strong connections and mass spreading of texts means that even if the library WERE burned to the ground, very little knowledge was lost to the events
>This gives the Neoplatonists enough power to continue their existence and keeps Pope Theophilus of Alexandria from taking action against them
>Even if the pope burns down the Serapeum, not too much is lost
>Due to the Neo-platonists never truly being subdued due to their political influence over Alexandria, Hypatia is never murdered in the streets and thus an heir to the library is born, continuing its lineage of collecting knowledge
>Due to military advances pushed by many of the students and scholars who came to the library or its various schools, Alexandria manages to hold out against the Muslim hordes long enough for the library to be evacuated and disseminated to various corners of the world, including knowledge of mass production
>Mass production of bibles means monks have enough time to pursue their more scholarly intents in conjunction with their religious chores, namely book-making
>Because of this and the expansion of technology, protestantism in Germany and other European nations fails to take off
>The Catholic church sees this as reason enough to spread literacy in order to spread their influence so as to keep other protestant groups from forming
>Maintaining their grip, things like the Spanish Inquisition, a result of secular rulers ignoring the church, never happens
>While the consolidation of power in Catholicism isn't the best result for history, it serves to keep various civil wars from sprouting up over all of Europe
>The Catholic church eventually helps the Eastern Orthodox church drive back the Golden Horde in Russia
>The two reconcile their differences and decide to put the Catholic sacking of their holy capitals behind them
>A combined one church following the Ecumenical council sees prosperity across Europe and the quick spreading of information both in civilian life and in military matters
>Steampunk becomes real
>Man's alchemy (chemistry) grows and evolves enough to produce hydrogen gas en masse
>Industrialization by the end of the 16th century
>Space flight by the middle of the 17th century
>In 20XX, man has colonized most of the known solar system under the holy empire of Earth's banner
>God's grace is felt across the galaxy by the end of the millennium
>Furries, feminists, and degenerates never exist because the Jews were unable to manipulate both the Christians and the Muslims in the various crusades to maintain/justify their existence leading to their genocide at the hands of the church
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3b0e7c No.685199
>>685195
This is your brain on linear history.
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1f95e2 No.685203
>>685199
I can't truly imagine what society would be like because I know better when seeing what previous generations thought the future would hold versus what it does, but I like to think mankind would be much better off if the library hadn't lost those scrolls when the city was burned to the ground in opposition to Caesar.
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1f95e2 No.685204
>>685199
>>685203
Also cyclical history is a shit. Decline and rebirth happen, but they are irrelevant to the passing of time so long as man pushes forward.
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1f95e2 No.685205
>>678177
>If you could time travel to 1939-1940 and bring along a single item of CY+4 tech to Hitler what would it be?
The transistor. It would have revolutionized the way Germans produce electronics leading to much less bulky equipment and much more accurate bombing/artillery triangulation.It would allow the Nazis to last long enough that I could watch them collapse from their economic policy instead of from the war so /pol/fags wouldn't be able to LARP that they were some great nation when they were really tearing apart at the seams due to their spending habits and the fact that WWII actually managed to keep them glued together longer than they would have lasted otherwise under their fiscal policy that mimics that of Venezuela.
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1f95e2 No.685206
>>663572
You know you generally have to feed soldiers and it took several peasants to keep a single soldier fed and operational, right? Those countries would need advances in agricultural techniques in order to feed an army of child soldiers.
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4edc7d No.685250
>>663572
The children's crusade was a massive scam, it benefits the merchants who fund it and all the children become sex slaves afterwards.
It's literally stupid SJW shit, Medieval edition.
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615654 No.685257
>>685250
Imagine traveling to a desert shithole hundreds of miles away from your village because you fell for some stupid kid's fantasies, losing friends and family to exposure along the way, just to get to the desert fully expecting god to help you with whatever the fuck you were trying to accomplish, only to wind up getting castrated and fucked in the ass until you get tossed into the dusty streets because your owner found a younger child, or wind up beaten and tortured into becoming a child soldier and dying horribly in the name of some desert nigger you actively opposed.
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921389 No.685281
>>685205
Bold words for someone who's socioeconmic mode has worked for less time than communism.
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921389 No.685282
>>685250
>>685257
This sounds extremely judaic. Other than common sense do we have any historical evidence that kikes were behind it?
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4edc7d No.685290
>>685282
Just read Wikipedia, muh (((merchants of Venice))).
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32a7b9 No.685325
>>685282
>>685290
Yeah there's a historical reason kikes are also referred to as merchants.
Even way back at the Roman empire's height merchants were disproportionately jewish.
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32a7b9 No.685327
Also
>using (((wikipedia))) as a source
Gyro just look up merchants of Venice in general and you'll find loads of articles about how slimy they could be.
Wikipedia cherrypicks sources to avoid "racism"
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4edc7d No.685386
>>685327
Jewish crimes are so easy to see that Wikipedia can't even hide it.
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8b2c2a No.685397
>>685386
It's still retarded to use it as a source and you only have yourself to blame if people on this site ridicule and ignore you for it.
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4edc7d No.685398
>>685397
Fine, fine.
Wikipedia is not a source itself, but it's where they store the citations in a neat place where you can check.
Any claims without citations (or with biased citations) can be quickly dismissed.
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4e973e No.685678
>>684942
> marxism to the roman empire
> marxism
Why wouldn't you just "invent" gunpowder for them, and point them in the direction of the American continent?
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8dbb9f No.685686
>>685678
Why not just time travel to 628 A.D, invent and sell gunpowder+steam engines to the Byzantine+Persian Empires while telling them to stop being gay for each other and amass forces on their southern borders against the coming mudslime assault?
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2a229b No.685712
>>685686
Why not travel far back and provide a final solution to the pharisee question?
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2b689d No.685715
What if the Italian offensive in North Africa was a success and they captured Egypt and the Suez without German assistance?
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921389 No.685731
>>685686
>stopping bulli the Persians for whatever reason
Even utterly genociding the roaches would not worth it.
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8dbb9f No.685732
>>685715
The UK would no longer be ably to efficiently send and recieve materiel from its Asian colonies, Italian subs could try their hand at submarine raids in the Indian Ocean and if Pastaniggers don't mess up and manage to capture Iraq Anglos would also lose a major source of oil and become a gay puppet of the US if they weren't already.
With the Royal Navy looking decidedly less threatening Franco may choose to cuck the UK out of all its mediterranean assets by closing off Gibraltar, making the Kriegsmarine feel slightly less insecure about its tonnage.
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2b689d No.685761
>>685732
Would having control over the ME help with Barbarossa? In theory you could try to bully the turks in to letting you move through their land to hit Baku and its oil fields.
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0d7493 No.685797
>>685731
Just go back to bullying each other once Islam is completely quashed.
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ebe1b5 No.685809
>>685398
>>685386
>>685397
Wikipedia is such a giant steaming pile of shart, it makes other tertiary sources look good.
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052e56 No.685820
>>685712
Why not go back in time and give neanderthals a bunch of loaded hi points?
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921389 No.685857
>>685797
>not bullying them while we both smash Islam
<took you a whole week to remove 50 average-sized villages of kebab? how pathetic onii-fam
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8dbb9f No.685885
>>685761
Germany wouldn't need to expend ever-needed resources on some faraway desert clusterfuck without getting anything in return, one of the reasons Stalingrad went as badly for the Wehrmacht as it did was the Luftwaffe not having enough transport aircraft to properly supply both Stalingrad and El Alamein.
Having control of the mediterranean on the other hand would create a fuckhueg safe haven for both Italian and German Industries and Navies, they could build all the aircraft carriers they'd want and ship all the oil and metal from NA and the middle east to their home industry with the biggest threat being the occasional raid from an allied sub that managed to slip through the Gibraltar strait.
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2e9a56 No.687127
>>662989
>1918
>Kolchak returns to Russia and manages to not be socially awkward for a few meetings and he manages to get the Western powers to support the White army, he’s still depressed and manic (he wouldn’t be Kolchak otherwise)
>Alexander Kerensky doesn’t escape and gets shot by the Bolsheviks
>The Royal family flees to Vladivostok before they can be captured by the Bolsheviks
>Kornilov is picks a different barn
>The spring offensive of the Russian Army is supported by America and England with Greece aiding Russian forces in the South
>Kolchak somehow gets Germany to aid the White army
>The spring offensive is a success for the White army with the Red army not being able to set up a counter offensive on its southern flank
>The advance on Moscow is a success ending with the siege and capitulation of Moscow somewhere between November of 1919 or January of 1920
>The siege of Moscow ends up being the most brutal battle during the Russian civil war, it would be comparable to the battle of Stalingrad
>The Winter offensive of 1920 lasts into October of 1920 and around Christmas, Petrograd fell to the White army
>Key Bolshevik leaders like Lenin and Stalin were executed and Trotsky would escape to Poland
>Communism is pushed out of Russia and grows in Central Europe
>Green Ukraine exists in what is now the jewish Autonomous Oblast
>Nicolas II returns to the throne with Alexander Kolchak becoming President of Russia
>Russia becomes a constitutional monarchy and the Russian people would democratically elect Boris Savinkov as Vice President
>Baron Von underneath Sternburg becomes the king of Mongolia and Manchuria
>With the civil war over turkey wouldn’t try to take Greek territories
>Becuase the Tsar remained in power Russia continues advancing and becomes one of the most advanced countries in Europe
>in 1926 after mostly rebuilding the destroyed cities Supreme Leader Kolchak with full support form Tsar Nicholas II would launch a military campaign to retake Central Asia, Poland and Finland
>Central Asia falls relatively quickly but Finland and Poland hold Russia off until 1928
>Poland and Finland would capitulate in 1930 and would agree to cede Karelia, Eastern Poland and the port of Danzig with city of Danzig being given to the Germans
>In exchange for being semi autonomous, Poland and Finland would recognize Nicholas II as their monarch
>Poland and Finland would have democratically elected leaders
>Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Yugoslavia and France would be communist by 1930
>Kaiser Wilhelm II would remain as the Kaiser of Germany, ruling as a constitutional monarch and Adolf Hitler would become Chancellor of Germany in 1933
>Russia and its subjects would form the Moscow Berlin Axis with Mussolini joining soon after
>In 1934 the international Commune was formed after Native rebellions against France, Portugal and England would be successful in Africa and Indochina
>In 1935 Spain would retake Morocco
>the next year the Spanish civil war would occur
>Franco loses the Spanish Civil war however he would survive in Morocco
>In 1940 tensions between the commune and the Moscow Berlin Axis would boil over with the seizure of the Czech Republic
>The Czech Republic was very friendly towards the Axis and The allies
>German and Polish troops would meet the communist forces at Prague in April of 1940
>Greece and Bulgaria would join the Axis in July of 1940
>in 1942 The Axis would push communists out of Central Europe and in May of 1942 the Axis would begin a bush into France
>Japan would form the pro prosperity sphere and attack Pearl Harbor
>The United States would join the allies as England declares war on the commune in December of 1942
>operation overlord occurs on June 6th 1943
>by May 9th 1945 France and Spain had completely capitulated and most colonies in Africa had been reclaimed, Ending the war in Europe
>The Axis would aid the allies in the pacific campaign and by 1946 Japan’s Navy was destroyed and in 1947 2 nukes would be dropped on Japan
>Japan would join the Axis and the rest of the co prosperity sphere would join the allies
>on August 27th Tsar Nicholas II would die peacefully in his sleep with his son Alexei taking the throne in Russia
>Peace would last up until the 1980’s but this scenario is long enough
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