d869a2 No.661887 [Last50 Posts]
In an SHTF/Insurgent-type scenario, how effective would it for Insurgents to be travelling through sewage lines to avoid police/military above? I'd imagine that if you're able to map out the sewage lines you can do all sorts of hit-and-run guerrilla shit without anybody noticing your movements. I'd also imagine it'd be hard to track where you've been considering you're trudging through shit and piss the entire time.
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d860cf No.661894
>>661887
A few very big issues with this friend.
1.you will increase your chances of catching hep a/b/c, TB, and a slew of other shit crawling around in a literal shit pit.
2. you can very easily get stuck or meet a pipe that is too small, this leads to
3.toxic fumes that will either suffocate you or straight up kill you if it's really bad shit
4. risk of drowning in shit water, this is especially more dangerous if you get stuck, don't know your way out, if it's precipitating, or some combination of all 3
5. aggressive wildlife, alligators, raccoons, and possibly even ghouls read: niggers, these usually are mean as fuck and carry more shit than you care to know about
6. cops will catch on and either drown or gas you out, at which point they will shoot you and push you back in, cause lets face it, who the fuck wants to grab an assfull of disease and muck, I sure as fuck DO NOT
7. sewers are not roads, and are usually limited to their own neighborhoods or districts, but these are usually storm drains, large cities may have a more complex sewage system, but all the more likely for you to get lost and die.
Any questions?
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1ca09b No.661896
>>661887
Good luck trying to convince your buddies to tag along for the rest of the fight while swimming in shit and piss. Shitposting aside, the ZOG won't have any problems in sending bots down the drain to hunt down dissidents. At best, it will make the bots angry by having them sniffing shit 24/7 while hunting you.
Not as retarded as that Maoist retard that wrote something about setting up a "Foco" in the florida everglades.
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ab06a1 No.661897
>>661887
I knew a South African man that said he when he was in Angola, they would use the sewers for cheeki breeki navigating. From the sounds of things this was a reconnaissance type thing. He didn't say he was in the special forces but I wouldn't doubt.
Good bloke, very softly spoken and absolutely loathed niggers.
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a3c0dc No.661908
>>661887
We have storm drains here and they're possibly the last place you'd want to do anything since you're 10 minutes away from flooding if there's so much as a hint of a storm cloud in the distance. I imagine sewers would be worse, not to mention in a SHTF/Insurgent-type scenario, the diseases you will catch and be unable to treat because SHTF/you're insurgents is so much higher that even if your operation is successful, half your crew will die of disease.
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ac10b8 No.661917
>>661887
Going all Mario brothers in straight up sewers will get you killed by drones and ricocheting anything in there. Blasts, flashbangs, gas, smoke….donezo.
Drainage pipes in cities for short term movement, sure, but only if previously checked to not get your crew super AIDS
Modern cities like Seoul have the open drainage trenches with open grates, makes good areas for quick cover from the streets and can get away from sightlines.
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4906d8 No.661936
>>661894
but the fuckn ninja turles live down there
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933ed2 No.661938
>>661917
>ricocheting drones in drainage canals
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50ff14 No.661955
>>661936
Sum to eat, y’say
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7326a5 No.661960
>>66108
You know that modern sewage workers go into sewage all the fucking time and don't get sick because they follow basic hygiene rules, like not touching your face or rubbing your eyes?
Wearing watertight pants (fishing gear) will prevent most problems, and wearing long sleeve gloves will prevent the rest.
They make extra sure that their vaccinations are up to date as well and carry a gas meter around, but that's it for protection.
Also: you won't be wading through shit. Those canals that are meant to be walked through have walkways which are high enough above the waterline that they are dry unless a pretty hefty storm hits.
Even if SHTF and pumps fail it would take weeks for sewers to back up and clog completely. They are designed so gravity takes care of most things.
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c8aa87 No.662002
>>661894
>>661887
>>661896
>>661960
You geniuses need to learn the difference between a wastewater sewer and a stormwater sewer.
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88e9a9 No.662010
There was a guy in Vegas who would commit robberies, retreat to a storm drain opening, where he had a motorcycle waiting, then drive like hell away before police could even figure out where he went. Watch out for crackheads and rain though. I see reports of homeless people drowning to death all the time because they don't evacuate when it's raining, and crackheads will shank you without a second notice for your stuff if you every go there unarmed.
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f35aab No.662092
>>661960
My trainer was a wastewater worker. They followed all hygiene protocols and still were expected to catch a virus or parasite about 4-8 times a year just from working with it. That doesn't even include the shit niggers flush down the drain (at least three of his coworkers got STDs from needles flushed down the drain that went up and through their rubber boots). The shit is disgusting, anon, which is why they pay so well just to keep people there.
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d860cf No.662156
>>662002
meth needles and assorted shit run into both
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34bbae No.662164
>>661887
At some point your neighbours will probably wonder why you always literally smell like shit and rat you out, i doubt you get rid of that smell so easy.
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cfaec9 No.662166
>>661887
>In an SHTF/Insurgent-type scenario, how effective would it for Insurgents to be travelling through sewage lines to avoid police/military above?
Very. IIRC in Stalingrad both sides used extensively the sewers, same in Paris (well Paris is different as there is an actual maze underneath).
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8309a8 No.662188
>>662176
This. Sewers are small. There are few places where a grown man can travel in a sewer. Stuff that you see on TV is just a movie set.
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d56b16 No.662204
>>661887
Use storm drains instead, if you aren't in a third world country where they have CSOs.
Draining is good fun, read this if you wanna do it.
https://sewerfresh.com/approach-to-draining
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3b176a No.662280
>>661938
I can hear this image
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c9b98a No.662550
>>662188
>Sewers are small
What people think they see in "sewers" in movies and games are actually more like flood drain tunnels. They are large, as a kid I explored plenty of them, and just about every city has them.
Yes, they are large enough to live in and because there's only a set number of entrances it would be easier to defend than other areas of the city. But the big weakness is the flood season. You have to remember it's still a flood drain.
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506438 No.662666
>>661887
I don't think the pIRA did very much mucking about in the sewers during the Troubles
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bcec2a No.664556
>>661896
>Not as retarded as that Maoist retard that wrote something about setting up a "Foco" in the florida everglades.
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bcec2a No.664557
>>664556
Holy fucking shit. Read this if you want to murder fuck your sides
https://pastebin.com/FBRF3VhG
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8221dd No.667444
Are maps of storm drain/sewer networks part of the public domain? If so where could one find one of their own city?
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ba9069 No.667447
>>664557
https://www.reddit.com/user/TakeMyUsernameAgain
the founder of the Florida Communist Front is now discussing star wars.
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92f1c0 No.667454
I haven't gone in sewers myself but urbex is pretty cool and knowledge of different intricacies of urban areas (storm drains, steam tunnels, abandoned buildings etc.) could be useful in a SHTF, at least for anons who might not be able to move out of the city prior to such a scenario. pdf related is a fantastic read if you're at all interested in urbex. The book itself recommends against going in sewer tunnels IIRC, also storm drains could sometimes be connected to the sewer in different municipalities. Also *NEVER* go draining when it rains/has rained recently or when snow is melting. also link to the zine from which the book was derived; http://www.infiltration.org/index.html
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0902ac No.667470
>>664557
I was going to pull some excerpts from that pastebin, but every fucking paragraph is hilarious so I encourage everyone to read it for themselves. But in short:
>Half a dozen people go live on boats in the Everglades, selling scrap metal and python skins while setting up loudspeakers to play communist music. Then Cuba gives them tanks and fighter jets to take over Florida, at which point they send all of Florida's money to North Korea.
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91d706 No.667693
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f79a1e No.667701
>>664557
Reads like that /leftypol/ mascot gay fanfiction
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191b96 No.678957
>>661917
> modern
> open shit sluices
<the absolute state of chinks
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328ecf No.678972
>>661894
Those all sound like difficulties that should be prepared for, not things that qualify this strategy outright. So you wear waterproof and thick clothes, maybe something for breathing, and you stay very cautious regarding pipes too small for your fat American ass, and have some maps, and should probably not go alone.
>>662002
What do you mean by that? are storm drains nicer to explore or not?
>>664557
>Modern renditions of songs from the Cultural Revolution could be played on the loudspeakers 24/7, which would do a great deal to raise class consciousness. Titles could include “Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New Florida” and “The East Coast is Red.”
Well, at least that last one is true.
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ef5f16 No.678973
>>664557
Stuff like this makes me reconsider killing every last leftist, because then we would miss out on their unintentional hilarity.then I remember where we are and order some more rounds anyway
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2a6c10 No.678986
>>661960
>basic hygiene rules, like not touching your face or rubbing your eyes?
Too bad you have to take off a pair of goggles or shoulder your gun.
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c30388 No.678993
>>661894
>sewers are not roads
What? I thought sewers were the highways of the underworld, the mean streets under the streets yo.
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72a9b7 No.678994
This is what someone who gets their info from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles believes.
>>661897
Impossible.
Sewers are essentially buried pipes about a mans head width, the only places where an adult person would even sit would be main acess holes, which are every 200m or so. These access points exist so a technician can get in there, and while crouching deploy a line to hook out debris or clean the pipe. But the pipe itself cant be walked in, unless your african friend was a shaman who could turn into a rat.
The only underground passageways which might have room for a person to move through are:
1. Catacombs, such as for plague victims. But this is only in certain urban areas of Europe where they couldnt put the bodies anywhere else.
2. Metro stations and their access points. Obviously limited.
3. Abandoned mines, some cities were built on or near them.
4. Smugglers tunnels,such as for prohibition. Again, limited.
Notice how a 12 inch diameter pupe isnt on the list?
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72a9b7 No.678997
>>662550
Oh right I forgot flood tunnels!
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7fb93e No.679001
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c30388 No.679003
>>664557
>The world will be turned upside down when our tanks roll triumphantly into the streets of Miami.
>Throngs of workers will gather together, singing the Internationale as we erect a statue of Che Guevara in Little Havana. Meanwhile, our army will move swiftly to cement its control over the city by weeding out all reactionaries. >We will round up hundreds of first-generation Cuban exiles and send them to reeducation camps in the wetlands.
>Their properties will be confiscated and turned into revolutionary munitions factories.
That entire text is a riot.
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b5178e No.679010
>>664557
This is possibly the most retarded shit I've ever read. I swear, every single paragraph has staggering amounts of stupidity. You can't even make a highlights reel from it, it's just all completely retarded.
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b5178e No.679012
>>667470
you forgot the part where they burn all the farms down and are loved by the people as a result, and how every non-white will transform into a die-hard communist warrior the moment he sees a red flag or hears a commie song.
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019db6 No.679033
>>679012
Like >>679010 said you can't make a highlights reel because almost every single sentence is utterly retarded. For example:
>it will be crucial for our forces to gain a strategic foothold in Everglades City.
>This town is located on the gulf coast and would be a perfect location for Cuban supply ships to land at
Pic related, Everglades City's entire dock network.
>>679012
Now now Czechanon, you forgot that in order to incite those illegal immigrants to burn down the farms and join the revolution, the commies are going to…help them pick fruit.
>>679003
Also remember that they explicitly say that will take Miami by using civilian human shields. And then seize Florida's nuclear weapon stockpile and threaten to nuke anyone who doesn't give them what they want.
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7fb93e No.679065
>>679033
>>679033
>Also remember that they explicitly say that will take Miami by using civilian human shields. And then seize Florida's nuclear weapon stockpile and threaten to nuke anyone who doesn't give them what they want.
I really want them to do it tbh.
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6ed438 No.679071
>>664557
Holy shit, I thought the spergs on /pol/ were delusional. This document make the average self-loathing natsoc Amerimutt look like a well-grounded individual with a plan for success.
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063051 No.679302
>>664557
>Each group could be as small as four people
>On a frugal budget, these outposts could be maintained on less than two thousand dollars a month.
>we will induct them into our ranks, stage an insurrection against the growers, burn their farms to the ground, and then return to our Everglades bases with thousands of new comrades.
A swamp shack that was built to house and be maintained by 4 people will overnight turn into a base capable of defending against the us military while housing several thousand people living on less than a dollar a month. Holy fuck I knew they were delusional but this is absolutely absurd
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019db6 No.679304
>>679302
Actually, it's worse than that.
>For shelter, the revolutionaries could use small, semi-submerged boats camouflaged with sticks, leaves, and mud.
>Two fighters would maintain a constant presence at the base, and the other two would maintain lives in the outside world.
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203934 No.679306
>>679304
>t. leftynigger who's never stood post in a shithole
It's so difficult to read the doc without having a coronary-level cringe.
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20f0d0 No.679343
>>679071
Cry more, /leftynig/
Your "comrades" are actually this retarded.
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5bbda4 No.679385
>>661887
You are better off going though storm pipes as it's much safer. You asking people to crawl though miles of sewer for it to be any meaning full sneek attack with out being caught when entering. It's also a death sentence. You are better off going though a trunk line. But even then do you even have a map of the sewer line? Probably not.
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5bbda4 No.679389
>>662156
Wrong, one is probably dry depending on where you are, the other is constantly running with human poo. Your probably better off hiring Seal Team Pajeet to go through that shit and having any chance of your squad living in the end.
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0e8dee No.679454
>>667444
google the city name and "Atlas". you are looking for a Pdf file several hundred MB in size/multiple volumes that contain a compendium of public storm sewer lines in the city. 36" Storm pipe is about the smallest I would want to go through though.
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85b0d5 No.680045
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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0986b9 No.680088
>>664557
>kinda plausible
>chutzpah
poetry
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c0c6a7 No.680111
What do you guys make of this?
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61a8d1 No.680115
>>680111
What country is this?
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dbc60f No.680211
>>680115
Esta el norte, senor.
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c0c6a7 No.680245
>>680115
>What country is this?
Yours.
>>680211
No idea what you're saying.
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855527 No.680255
>>680245
"It's the north, sir."
guy's just memeing as a mexicant
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b81ce1 No.680263
>>680245
>look it up
>it's in Texas
Jesus fucking Christ, absolute united STATE of America at this point.
>looks like a 3rd world shithole
>not a single word of english
>not a single white in sight
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45de01 No.680267
>>680263
Yep. That's Southern Texas for you. I wish we'd give them back everything south of the Nueces on the condition they all stay there. They can have "Aztlan" on the condition they never leave.
It'll never happen. We're going to fight a multi-sided civil war that will make the Balkans look like play time.
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404127 No.680301
>>664557
>They could also install loudspeakers at strategic locations and blast propaganda that could be heard for miles. Modern renditions of songs from the Cultural Revolution could be played on the loudspeakers 24/7, which would do a great deal to raise class consciousness.
I cannot possibly see how blaring shitty commie songs 24/7 on loud speakers powered by a pedal generator? Or is there power lines in the swamp? would do anything but garner support and praise for these diseased swamp dwelling bums.
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404127 No.680304
>>679012
You really think doing free laubour for a farmer who’s probably just getting by, or some big industrial farm won’t earn the respect and undying loyalty from Pablo and Juan who are only there to send money back to their 15 kids across the boarder? I’m sure they’d not only join the revolution and live in a literal swamp for years, but burn down the farm that gave them illegal work so he can put taco shells into his family’s table.
>>680111
>brown rats don’t even have the curtesy to put the cover back on so no gets into an accident over losing their front tire into a manhole
>>680267
>We're going to fight a multi-sided civil war that will make the Balkans look like play time.
Please don’t tease me like that burger-kun.
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686f1a No.680306
>>680304
>Please don’t tease me like that burger-kun.
Your country is heading in the same direction. Without America leafland is literally broke.
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404127 No.680410
>>680306
Is it coming soon though?
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c11970 No.680942
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/06/23/marines-urban-warfare-tactics-are-outdated-heres-how-they-plan-fix.html
"Hundreds of Marines will join their British counterparts at a massive urban training center this summer that will test the leathernecks’ ability to fight a tech-savvy enemy in a crowded city filled with innocent civilians.
The North Carolina-based Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 8th Marines, will test drones, robots and other high-tech equipment at Muscatatuck Urban Training Center near Butlerville, Indiana, in August.
They’ll spend weeks weaving through underground tunnels and simulating fires in a mock packed downtown city center. They’ll also face off against their peers, who will be equipped with off-the-shelf drones and other gadgets the enemy is now easily able to bring to the fight.
It’s the start of a four-year effort, known as Project Metropolis, that leaders say will transform the way Marines train for urban battles. The effort is being led by the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory, based in Quantico, Virginia. It comes after service leaders identified a troubling problem following nearly two decades of war in the Middle East: adversaries have been studying their tactics and weaknesses, and now they know how to exploit them."
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97d3d8 No.680958
>>664557
>The Florida Communist Front (FCF), an underground cadre based in Belle Glade…
They're already in a commie paradise.
Belle Glade is nothing but welfare leeching niggers. They blame technology for taking away the need to harvest sugar cane by hand and the spics for picking up whatever ag jobs were still left. They sit on their stoops all day and only get up to fuck eachother and shit out more entitled niglets.
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31817b No.682314
>>661887
>Sewer maps
These are public information in my country. I've already started to collect them.
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3df1e6 No.682316
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0844b9 No.682446
>>678986
>This guy has never shot a gun while wearing a gas mask
>Also plans on firing a gun underground in a semi-sealed environment
I see that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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72932f No.687870
>>679302
> several thousand people living on less than a dollar a month. Holy fuck I knew they were delusional but this is absolutely absurd
They are communists, can't expect them to understand money.
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000000 No.688100
>>682316
Exactly. There's a big difference between a sewer and a storm drain.
Storm drains aren't too bad. Speaking from experience, they are musty (depending on climate), dirty, and have lots of spider webs, but honestly totally viable for covert maneuvering.
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000000 No.688101
>>661908
Depends on the weather though. As long as you have a clear forecast, you should be good.
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92e246 No.688154
>>661887
if there is an advantage ot useing the drains system expect at least one person on the opfor to know it if not a specially trained section.
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a02477 No.688156
>>661887
IIRC DARPA and USMIL designed a strategic group specifically on how to deal with the threat of sewer dwellers. They based their ideas on people moving into sewers to hide from dronestrike.exe and in megacities to make actual living shelters because of lack of suitable housing. Operating innnatunnel would be an absolute clusterfuck of claustrophobia, noise, filth, and darkness. Even with all that, you still have dozens of fatal funnels, hazards from rain, vulnerability to fire/gas in the tunnels, and whatever cryptids decided to live down there.
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84a758 No.688230
>>688156
the rape pit is actually not so bad
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7c5054 No.688356
No. A sewer in a neighboring city away from the AO might be a good hideaway for a couple weeks at best with the right prep, hazard equipment, and good ventilation, but the problem is that sewers are city networks for waste. Entry points and routes are mapped out and the information would be easily accessible to LE and Military. Not only are your methods of escape already functioning as kill holes, you could probably pinpoint where the best entry/exit points are. If anyone even has an inkling you are hiding down there, its over. You’re fucked. And you’ve got to ask yourself, you want to bite the bullet in a place of rivers of shit, used needles, rats, and other nasty things?
Tunneling worked (questionably.) for the vietcong because noone knew where the fuck they were, and if you did find out, you didn’t really want to see how far that rabbit hole went down pun intended. Pitfalls, punji sticks, secret compartments for soldiers to hide in, tunnels that looped in on themselves. Absolutely no way to map it out or go into it knowing what you were getting into. Tunnel rats will tell you that those things are made specifically to be cruel, ruthless, and effective. However, I said questionably because its not like its easy living in one of those things either, the Vietcong found themselves dealing with intestinal parasites, rats, and just the general fucking depression of living in a hole in the ground that might collapse if GI decides he wants to drop a few HE shells on top of your fucking head.
Overall, I’d have to tell you its an awful idea. The best means of Guerilla Warfare is plainclothes operations. You need to be able to do your dirt and then blend right back in as a civilian. 9/11, the only US mainland attack of that scale since the civil war was done this way. If Vietnam and Afghanistan have taught us anything, you can’t fight an invisible enemy.
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39df2b No.688357
>>688356
>you can’t fight an invisible enemy.
You can't fight the invisible, no. You can do however is remove their invisibility by getting rid of all your moral restrictions. Kill ALL the civilians. Bomb the cities until all that remains is bricks. Then bomb the bricks down to ashes. Shoot civilian cars until they loo like swiss cheese. Burn every forest and bomb every cave entrance. Pollute every single river and lake with horrible dangerous chemicals. Anyone who doesn't wear your uniform is to be considered an enemy and be killed on sight.
You're god damn America. Literally who on this planet could ever stop you from committing muh war crimes? You're the ones who are supposed to enforce them in the first place. The moment you stop caring about some pussy laws is the moment you can fight whoever the hell you want using whatever means you want. Who's going to stop you, the pussy european armies on low manpower, 0 combat experience and who have sold 70% of their weapons to shitskins? Russia will cross the ocean and land on your beaches? Or will the chink bugmen dare become enemies with the country that provides them with >80% of their iron ore needs because without it their factories can't operate?
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31903b No.688447
I used the underground system extensively in the past.
As an initial response to a curfew or martial law its a great strategy.
Also a decent place to cache supplies, but they will be found by maintainance
Don't expect to go anywhere fast, if you're detected going in there's really nowhere in a tunnel to hide.
There's more down there than you might imagine.
Sewer systems, water systems, IT infrastructure, maintainance areas for underground heating or power systems
Dangers depend on how modern your system is.
Downing, falls, bad air are common.
Floods, noxious substances, animals, homeless, syringes, getting lost all reasonably possible.
Motion sensors, electrical hazzards, poison gas may be encountered occasionally.
I would use a storm water drain to move overnight to a cache site, or a staging ground where you can create a diversion
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534d06 No.688480
I can't even imagine the toxic shit that gets dumped in there. You'd probably die if you had to stay down there for long.
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7f9829 No.688501
>>688357
>You're god damn America. Literally who on this planet could ever stop you from committing muh war crimes?
The goyim who followed you because you promised not to do bad things.
You fuckers are still too retarded.
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