d869a2 No.661887 [View All]
In an SHTF/Insurgent-type scenario, how effective would it for Insurgents to be travelling through sewage lines to avoid police/military above? I'd imagine that if you're able to map out the sewage lines you can do all sorts of hit-and-run guerrilla shit without anybody noticing your movements. I'd also imagine it'd be hard to track where you've been considering you're trudging through shit and piss the entire time.
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191b96 No.678957
>>661917
> modern
> open shit sluices
<the absolute state of chinks
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328ecf No.678972
>>661894
Those all sound like difficulties that should be prepared for, not things that qualify this strategy outright. So you wear waterproof and thick clothes, maybe something for breathing, and you stay very cautious regarding pipes too small for your fat American ass, and have some maps, and should probably not go alone.
>>662002
What do you mean by that? are storm drains nicer to explore or not?
>>664557
>Modern renditions of songs from the Cultural Revolution could be played on the loudspeakers 24/7, which would do a great deal to raise class consciousness. Titles could include “Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New Florida” and “The East Coast is Red.”
Well, at least that last one is true.
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ef5f16 No.678973
>>664557
Stuff like this makes me reconsider killing every last leftist, because then we would miss out on their unintentional hilarity.then I remember where we are and order some more rounds anyway
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2a6c10 No.678986
>>661960
>basic hygiene rules, like not touching your face or rubbing your eyes?
Too bad you have to take off a pair of goggles or shoulder your gun.
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c30388 No.678993
>>661894
>sewers are not roads
What? I thought sewers were the highways of the underworld, the mean streets under the streets yo.
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72a9b7 No.678994
This is what someone who gets their info from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles believes.
>>661897
Impossible.
Sewers are essentially buried pipes about a mans head width, the only places where an adult person would even sit would be main acess holes, which are every 200m or so. These access points exist so a technician can get in there, and while crouching deploy a line to hook out debris or clean the pipe. But the pipe itself cant be walked in, unless your african friend was a shaman who could turn into a rat.
The only underground passageways which might have room for a person to move through are:
1. Catacombs, such as for plague victims. But this is only in certain urban areas of Europe where they couldnt put the bodies anywhere else.
2. Metro stations and their access points. Obviously limited.
3. Abandoned mines, some cities were built on or near them.
4. Smugglers tunnels,such as for prohibition. Again, limited.
Notice how a 12 inch diameter pupe isnt on the list?
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72a9b7 No.678997
>>662550
Oh right I forgot flood tunnels!
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7fb93e No.679001
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c30388 No.679003
>>664557
>The world will be turned upside down when our tanks roll triumphantly into the streets of Miami.
>Throngs of workers will gather together, singing the Internationale as we erect a statue of Che Guevara in Little Havana. Meanwhile, our army will move swiftly to cement its control over the city by weeding out all reactionaries. >We will round up hundreds of first-generation Cuban exiles and send them to reeducation camps in the wetlands.
>Their properties will be confiscated and turned into revolutionary munitions factories.
That entire text is a riot.
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b5178e No.679010
>>664557
This is possibly the most retarded shit I've ever read. I swear, every single paragraph has staggering amounts of stupidity. You can't even make a highlights reel from it, it's just all completely retarded.
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b5178e No.679012
>>667470
you forgot the part where they burn all the farms down and are loved by the people as a result, and how every non-white will transform into a die-hard communist warrior the moment he sees a red flag or hears a commie song.
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019db6 No.679033
>>679012
Like >>679010 said you can't make a highlights reel because almost every single sentence is utterly retarded. For example:
>it will be crucial for our forces to gain a strategic foothold in Everglades City.
>This town is located on the gulf coast and would be a perfect location for Cuban supply ships to land at
Pic related, Everglades City's entire dock network.
>>679012
Now now Czechanon, you forgot that in order to incite those illegal immigrants to burn down the farms and join the revolution, the commies are going to…help them pick fruit.
>>679003
Also remember that they explicitly say that will take Miami by using civilian human shields. And then seize Florida's nuclear weapon stockpile and threaten to nuke anyone who doesn't give them what they want.
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7fb93e No.679065
>>679033
>>679033
>Also remember that they explicitly say that will take Miami by using civilian human shields. And then seize Florida's nuclear weapon stockpile and threaten to nuke anyone who doesn't give them what they want.
I really want them to do it tbh.
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6ed438 No.679071
>>664557
Holy shit, I thought the spergs on /pol/ were delusional. This document make the average self-loathing natsoc Amerimutt look like a well-grounded individual with a plan for success.
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063051 No.679302
>>664557
>Each group could be as small as four people
>On a frugal budget, these outposts could be maintained on less than two thousand dollars a month.
>we will induct them into our ranks, stage an insurrection against the growers, burn their farms to the ground, and then return to our Everglades bases with thousands of new comrades.
A swamp shack that was built to house and be maintained by 4 people will overnight turn into a base capable of defending against the us military while housing several thousand people living on less than a dollar a month. Holy fuck I knew they were delusional but this is absolutely absurd
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019db6 No.679304
>>679302
Actually, it's worse than that.
>For shelter, the revolutionaries could use small, semi-submerged boats camouflaged with sticks, leaves, and mud.
>Two fighters would maintain a constant presence at the base, and the other two would maintain lives in the outside world.
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203934 No.679306
>>679304
>t. leftynigger who's never stood post in a shithole
It's so difficult to read the doc without having a coronary-level cringe.
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20f0d0 No.679343
>>679071
Cry more, /leftynig/
Your "comrades" are actually this retarded.
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5bbda4 No.679385
>>661887
You are better off going though storm pipes as it's much safer. You asking people to crawl though miles of sewer for it to be any meaning full sneek attack with out being caught when entering. It's also a death sentence. You are better off going though a trunk line. But even then do you even have a map of the sewer line? Probably not.
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5bbda4 No.679389
>>662156
Wrong, one is probably dry depending on where you are, the other is constantly running with human poo. Your probably better off hiring Seal Team Pajeet to go through that shit and having any chance of your squad living in the end.
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0e8dee No.679454
>>667444
google the city name and "Atlas". you are looking for a Pdf file several hundred MB in size/multiple volumes that contain a compendium of public storm sewer lines in the city. 36" Storm pipe is about the smallest I would want to go through though.
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85b0d5 No.680045
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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0986b9 No.680088
>>664557
>kinda plausible
>chutzpah
poetry
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c0c6a7 No.680111
What do you guys make of this?
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61a8d1 No.680115
>>680111
What country is this?
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dbc60f No.680211
>>680115
Esta el norte, senor.
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c0c6a7 No.680245
>>680115
>What country is this?
Yours.
>>680211
No idea what you're saying.
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855527 No.680255
>>680245
"It's the north, sir."
guy's just memeing as a mexicant
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b81ce1 No.680263
>>680245
>look it up
>it's in Texas
Jesus fucking Christ, absolute united STATE of America at this point.
>looks like a 3rd world shithole
>not a single word of english
>not a single white in sight
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45de01 No.680267
>>680263
Yep. That's Southern Texas for you. I wish we'd give them back everything south of the Nueces on the condition they all stay there. They can have "Aztlan" on the condition they never leave.
It'll never happen. We're going to fight a multi-sided civil war that will make the Balkans look like play time.
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404127 No.680301
>>664557
>They could also install loudspeakers at strategic locations and blast propaganda that could be heard for miles. Modern renditions of songs from the Cultural Revolution could be played on the loudspeakers 24/7, which would do a great deal to raise class consciousness.
I cannot possibly see how blaring shitty commie songs 24/7 on loud speakers powered by a pedal generator? Or is there power lines in the swamp? would do anything but garner support and praise for these diseased swamp dwelling bums.
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404127 No.680304
>>679012
You really think doing free laubour for a farmer who’s probably just getting by, or some big industrial farm won’t earn the respect and undying loyalty from Pablo and Juan who are only there to send money back to their 15 kids across the boarder? I’m sure they’d not only join the revolution and live in a literal swamp for years, but burn down the farm that gave them illegal work so he can put taco shells into his family’s table.
>>680111
>brown rats don’t even have the curtesy to put the cover back on so no gets into an accident over losing their front tire into a manhole
>>680267
>We're going to fight a multi-sided civil war that will make the Balkans look like play time.
Please don’t tease me like that burger-kun.
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686f1a No.680306
>>680304
>Please don’t tease me like that burger-kun.
Your country is heading in the same direction. Without America leafland is literally broke.
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404127 No.680410
>>680306
Is it coming soon though?
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c11970 No.680942
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/06/23/marines-urban-warfare-tactics-are-outdated-heres-how-they-plan-fix.html
"Hundreds of Marines will join their British counterparts at a massive urban training center this summer that will test the leathernecks’ ability to fight a tech-savvy enemy in a crowded city filled with innocent civilians.
The North Carolina-based Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 8th Marines, will test drones, robots and other high-tech equipment at Muscatatuck Urban Training Center near Butlerville, Indiana, in August.
They’ll spend weeks weaving through underground tunnels and simulating fires in a mock packed downtown city center. They’ll also face off against their peers, who will be equipped with off-the-shelf drones and other gadgets the enemy is now easily able to bring to the fight.
It’s the start of a four-year effort, known as Project Metropolis, that leaders say will transform the way Marines train for urban battles. The effort is being led by the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory, based in Quantico, Virginia. It comes after service leaders identified a troubling problem following nearly two decades of war in the Middle East: adversaries have been studying their tactics and weaknesses, and now they know how to exploit them."
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97d3d8 No.680958
>>664557
>The Florida Communist Front (FCF), an underground cadre based in Belle Glade…
They're already in a commie paradise.
Belle Glade is nothing but welfare leeching niggers. They blame technology for taking away the need to harvest sugar cane by hand and the spics for picking up whatever ag jobs were still left. They sit on their stoops all day and only get up to fuck eachother and shit out more entitled niglets.
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31817b No.682314
>>661887
>Sewer maps
These are public information in my country. I've already started to collect them.
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3df1e6 No.682316
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0844b9 No.682446
>>678986
>This guy has never shot a gun while wearing a gas mask
>Also plans on firing a gun underground in a semi-sealed environment
I see that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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72932f No.687870
>>679302
> several thousand people living on less than a dollar a month. Holy fuck I knew they were delusional but this is absolutely absurd
They are communists, can't expect them to understand money.
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000000 No.688100
>>682316
Exactly. There's a big difference between a sewer and a storm drain.
Storm drains aren't too bad. Speaking from experience, they are musty (depending on climate), dirty, and have lots of spider webs, but honestly totally viable for covert maneuvering.
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000000 No.688101
>>661908
Depends on the weather though. As long as you have a clear forecast, you should be good.
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92e246 No.688154
>>661887
if there is an advantage ot useing the drains system expect at least one person on the opfor to know it if not a specially trained section.
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a02477 No.688156
>>661887
IIRC DARPA and USMIL designed a strategic group specifically on how to deal with the threat of sewer dwellers. They based their ideas on people moving into sewers to hide from dronestrike.exe and in megacities to make actual living shelters because of lack of suitable housing. Operating innnatunnel would be an absolute clusterfuck of claustrophobia, noise, filth, and darkness. Even with all that, you still have dozens of fatal funnels, hazards from rain, vulnerability to fire/gas in the tunnels, and whatever cryptids decided to live down there.
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84a758 No.688230
>>688156
the rape pit is actually not so bad
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7c5054 No.688356
No. A sewer in a neighboring city away from the AO might be a good hideaway for a couple weeks at best with the right prep, hazard equipment, and good ventilation, but the problem is that sewers are city networks for waste. Entry points and routes are mapped out and the information would be easily accessible to LE and Military. Not only are your methods of escape already functioning as kill holes, you could probably pinpoint where the best entry/exit points are. If anyone even has an inkling you are hiding down there, its over. You’re fucked. And you’ve got to ask yourself, you want to bite the bullet in a place of rivers of shit, used needles, rats, and other nasty things?
Tunneling worked (questionably.) for the vietcong because noone knew where the fuck they were, and if you did find out, you didn’t really want to see how far that rabbit hole went down pun intended. Pitfalls, punji sticks, secret compartments for soldiers to hide in, tunnels that looped in on themselves. Absolutely no way to map it out or go into it knowing what you were getting into. Tunnel rats will tell you that those things are made specifically to be cruel, ruthless, and effective. However, I said questionably because its not like its easy living in one of those things either, the Vietcong found themselves dealing with intestinal parasites, rats, and just the general fucking depression of living in a hole in the ground that might collapse if GI decides he wants to drop a few HE shells on top of your fucking head.
Overall, I’d have to tell you its an awful idea. The best means of Guerilla Warfare is plainclothes operations. You need to be able to do your dirt and then blend right back in as a civilian. 9/11, the only US mainland attack of that scale since the civil war was done this way. If Vietnam and Afghanistan have taught us anything, you can’t fight an invisible enemy.
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39df2b No.688357
>>688356
>you can’t fight an invisible enemy.
You can't fight the invisible, no. You can do however is remove their invisibility by getting rid of all your moral restrictions. Kill ALL the civilians. Bomb the cities until all that remains is bricks. Then bomb the bricks down to ashes. Shoot civilian cars until they loo like swiss cheese. Burn every forest and bomb every cave entrance. Pollute every single river and lake with horrible dangerous chemicals. Anyone who doesn't wear your uniform is to be considered an enemy and be killed on sight.
You're god damn America. Literally who on this planet could ever stop you from committing muh war crimes? You're the ones who are supposed to enforce them in the first place. The moment you stop caring about some pussy laws is the moment you can fight whoever the hell you want using whatever means you want. Who's going to stop you, the pussy european armies on low manpower, 0 combat experience and who have sold 70% of their weapons to shitskins? Russia will cross the ocean and land on your beaches? Or will the chink bugmen dare become enemies with the country that provides them with >80% of their iron ore needs because without it their factories can't operate?
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31903b No.688447
I used the underground system extensively in the past.
As an initial response to a curfew or martial law its a great strategy.
Also a decent place to cache supplies, but they will be found by maintainance
Don't expect to go anywhere fast, if you're detected going in there's really nowhere in a tunnel to hide.
There's more down there than you might imagine.
Sewer systems, water systems, IT infrastructure, maintainance areas for underground heating or power systems
Dangers depend on how modern your system is.
Downing, falls, bad air are common.
Floods, noxious substances, animals, homeless, syringes, getting lost all reasonably possible.
Motion sensors, electrical hazzards, poison gas may be encountered occasionally.
I would use a storm water drain to move overnight to a cache site, or a staging ground where you can create a diversion
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534d06 No.688480
I can't even imagine the toxic shit that gets dumped in there. You'd probably die if you had to stay down there for long.
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7f9829 No.688501
>>688357
>You're god damn America. Literally who on this planet could ever stop you from committing muh war crimes?
The goyim who followed you because you promised not to do bad things.
You fuckers are still too retarded.
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