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a89e9f  No.63041

I believe there's a crisis with hypnosis, mainly ones in the forms of videos on the main porn sites, like Pornhub. In fact, the ONE site specifically for hypnosis videos is essentially just sissy shit. How sad is that?

There have been people in the past who at least attempted to make straight hypnosis, but it tended to be of… questionable quality. They would make a couple of mediocre videos with a bit of variation, then just stop. This has been the state of things for years now. A lot of them also tend to be femdom (nothing wrong with that), but there's not much stuff for doms.

That's where we come to my point. We need more videos like this, and in actually decent quality of varying types of hypnosis. I've been considering trying to do some myself since I have the capability for it, although I don't really have experience in actually messing with hypnosis directly and erotic videos. Perhaps in almost an antithesis form compared to the sissy shit videos considered the most effective. I certainly wouldn't do something like (((B4mb1))) (I leave that general area for Wolfgirl to cover, if anyone at all). Maybe we could make actually completely original videos of our own. Does anyone have any suggestions or tips for this sort of thing? What should one know when making videos like this (not just audio files, although you're more than welcome to). I know this sort of thing has tended to not really go anywhere, but it'd be nice to have a full thread of info on this. Besides that, this is a new decade, and the time for change.

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257fd5  No.63054

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Hey, i like the spirit! \^-^/

… and sadly have to totally agree…

Something i would very much welcome would be videos aimed at straight girls… there is just not enough quality content out there.

Sure, there are many guys putting up some bland standard spiral and their voice or even just text, but i think we can all agree that that is usually garbage, and pretty hard to trance/get off to. Waste of the video format.

MrDaniels was pretty nice, i still got most of his spirals saved, but was too late for the castle. Still, that kind of content feels pretty impersonal. You have to write to the tist to feel cared for at all.

What we (read 'i' ) really need, and shouldnt be toooooo hard to make is a well kempt guy with decent voice sitting in front of a camera and playing hot hypno daddy.

Im sure there are guys lurking here who would qualify.

If anyone would be interested in something like this, you sir, would make my nights!

From my experience making amateur videos, your priorities for things to get right would probably look something like this:

1) pacing/content/script

2) sound quality (maybe something like a NT1A or h2n, but most of all sound damping… there is this really nice cheap stuff from china that you stick on the walls. In a pinch a blanket/carpet will do)

3) lighting (good high cri leds or halogen and color correction)

4) decent lens & camera

+ Good actor if possible. Most expensive part, often cant really be helped on a budget. Best case, you are your own talent.

As for the script…i have no idea how to go about it. Hypno isnt really my content, interesting as it would be.

The rest can be adequately learnt online. And even if not perfect, its fine to start somewhere less than ideal, the important part is actually starting.

I started with my holiday camera and a messy bedroom…. Sooo you have no excuse really ;P

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a89e9f  No.63055

>>63054

Oh my. I was referring mostly to straight hypnosis for males with impersonal footage, but for women, I've seen barely anything at all in any form although I haven't really looked into it. I'm afraid I can't qualify for that myself (I don't have the equipment and such), but perhaps someone around here might be interested in trying that out.

Anyways, I was about to add onto this thread earlier about specific videos ideas. The most effective hypnosis video I've seen (it was extremely simple too) is one that focuses on orgasm denial, which I discovered can likely be extremely potent as it will keep driving you even after if you keep your resolve. I mentioned earlier about making "antithesis" videos, and I was thinking about one that drives the user (male) to not have permission to orgasm unless it's with a partner or something along those lines. With that would be suggestions reinforcing their straight sexuality along with the need to fuck a woman and become more masculine (with more detail on those of course). It could be an easy TTS (although it loops about half an hour), but I'd like to add a few more layers to that than the original thing did. Probably also using footage of either mostly solo girls and POV stuff. Does anyone have any other ideas for videos or perhaps suggestions on how to make them?

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81b342  No.63056

It's a video, it's not like it's tough to do.

I don't get the focus (pun very much intended) on videos anyway - in all my years (decades, actually) I've been researching and studying and working with people using hypnosis and trance I've never seen one single video that I thought was actually worth spending time with, especially not for any trance experience.

They all suck, in my personal opinion, they just do, and nobody has ever done it really well. K1$m3t Video does the best they can but even their videos, as "high quality" as they might be, still pale and never seem to really get anything done that matters.

It's obvious that things are slanted towards males, that much is a given, and it'll always be that way and nothing will ever change this. As for getting more content for women, well, Nimja fills that role for a great many women (far more than you might be aware of) with his practically weekly contributions (575+ audio files as of this post, the guy is a machine really) as well as doing chat sessions on YouTube that only paying contributors to his Patreon are allowed to access.

At this point in time, those of us with the more plain vanilla desires of just experiencing a nice trance with no bullshit involved are now considered to be the weird ones and the outliers. It's sad to see it happen but that's humanity for you - always looking for something new to fuck up and twist into something it was never meant to be.

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a89e9f  No.63057

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>>63056

Yes, that's true I suppose. Regardless we can still try to make a difference, even if it's small. Besides, I'm sure most of these videos could be turned into normal audio files anyway (that's probably something I'll offer if I do get to making these. In fact, I'm breaking apart a script right now for that orgasm denial one in order to reconstruct it for my desires. I'll post the rough draft on here when I finish it for feedback). Personally, I just prefer the video forms since there's a visual to it then. Sure, it's not tough to do, but there's still a lot to keep in mind, things to plan out. If you have any tips or suggestions on how to do it the best, it's more than welcome here. I plan to at the very least try and release something of substance.

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a89e9f  No.63060

So I finally finished copying the entire script down from the OG video (damn my hand) and I need to replace the words, plus possibly more than that. I'm just gonna throw my rambling out here:

The only trigger word is "good girl", so I'm trying to think of a good trigger to replace that with. Good boy seems a bit too sub. Good master sounds a bit odd. Good dom.. maybe. I haven't decided on that yet. I have a good idea of what to replace except for "cum" and "cum on your face". Should I replace that with "pussy juice" or some other more pleasant sounding word for that which I can't think about off the top of my head right now? I want this to make the user more dominant, so I'm unsure of how to balance wanting to dominate the woman, but wanting to listen and obey the instructions. Do I explicitly say that they're obedient and submissive to the instructions or voice?

Another thing is what to replace "chastity", "panties" and "clothing" with. I'm replacing "smooth skin", "growing ass" and "growing breasts" with being muscular, but those other ones I'm not too sure about. Maybe I'll have to just cut them out for something else entirely. I want to keep the love for denial part here too in order to reinforce all of the suggestions, but it stresses on how it's permanent and for the "rest of your life", and I'm not sure I want that second part to be so enduring. Although I think I can figure out how to make it so the "never have permission to cum" is actually just only giving permission when you're with a consenting female partner probably. Also not sure about what to replace "cumslut" with. Alpha male?

Welcome to the absolute autist discussion. If anyone needs the OG script for context, ask and I'll upload it so you can understand what I'm trying to get at better.

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a89e9f  No.63061

>>63060

Actually I might as well just post the OG script now. Please note this is only for context: /AvWVdv7j (pastebin)

I'll start the rewrite after some thoughts on what I said in the previous comment since I want to make sure I do this right.

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257fd5  No.63064

>>63055

Yeah, its difficult to find those kinds of videos… but thats alright… maybe some day… maybe… (Please tell me if someone feels up to making them though!!)

Orgasm denial can work wonders indeed, especially if you have a bit of a higher libido to begin with. Look no further than V1v3's lovely lovely Brainwashed Toy series.

That one might be a good place to look for inspiration or some starters. Another series like that would be a great addition to this fetish, plus the daily edging could nicely be paired with a video.

>>63056

Ohhh dont worry, im well aware of Nimja ;D

And i agree that mp3s are the best way to actually go into trance, but videos also serve their purpose… for one getting off in less than a 1 hour+ session.

I also find, that a well made video can feel way more personal, like you are there with your tist.

As for good videos, i think there are some, albeit few tists that manage to make them. A recent example would be Diana Ray.

If someone gave that girl some good recording equippment, some purpose for her sessions and didnt s*** all over post production, her videos would be near perfect in my opinion.

>>63060

Depending on how you want the relation between tist and subject to look like, 'good dommy' might be nice ^-^

Kinda like a more dominant tist teaching her subject to be a better dom for others? But idk… i might be weird. Yeah, anyways.

If there is a part in the script where you cant find a meaningful replacement, it might be best to remove those line(s) entirely.

Maybe you could also make different flavours, like one for alpha jock males and another to become a well groomed and dominant gentleman.

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86c48b  No.63070

>>63041

Hmm. What is the right combo of video and audio delivered in a file on the internet to constitute an effective and fun hypno-session? My guess is that this will vary significantly for each of us. The semi- customizable resources of gooninator, nimja, and flipflip are a reasonable option to try. For me the search on Spankbang and Pornhub are kind of the fun (or obsession) to look for better and better options. I just avoid the ones that are crap or not my kink.

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a89e9f  No.63071

I finished the first version of the main script for the file, which I'm dubbing "Virile Alpha Prince". Thanks >>63064 for the suggestions. Different flavours of the file also sounds like an interesting idea.

pastebin /vZ3t5zMN

Let me know what you guys think. I'm gonna look into the background subliminals now. Thoughts on if it should have an induction and such? What kind of induction? What kind of audio should I have in the background (e.g. binaural beats or whatever).

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a89e9f  No.63072

>>63071

Oh, and also I suppose the most important thing probably… Which TTS? I hate to use TTS, but I'm afraid I don't have a hypnotist or anything like that on hand haha. Voice changers also sound a bit odd.

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257fd5  No.63080

>>63071

No problem

There are a few inconsistent lines in there still

For example, search for:

"Being denied in how horny, and how needy it makes you is a thing of true beauty."

And some are just a little odd:

"You need to dress like a man."

I dont know if its easily possible to replace "man" with something else like "alpha male" or "gym jock" without messing other things up.

"Doing daily kegel exercises is pleasure."

Maybe something like "Lifting everyday is your life." would be better. Idk how important kegel exercises are…

"Being unable to cum without permission makes you feel secure and protective"

>Thoughts on if it should have an induction and such? What kind of induction? What kind of audio should I have in the background (e.g. binaural beats or whatever).

There are two common formats for these videos as far as i know

1) Session format

More or less complete/competent session complete with induction, main part and awakener + maybe subliminals

2) Mantra format

Starts right away with content/subliminals, no higher structure. Generally very flashy, not exactly made for trance.

The script as a whole seems more suited for a subliminal track itself.

It just seems a little too disorganized to be a main session. There isnt enough consistency to keep you thinking along the entire time. Im not sure exactly how to best put it…. i think its too chaotic to lead a train of thought by itself.

As such, im not sure if it would make a lot of sense to write a lengthy introduction for it…. if you do try to go for trance though, it might be necessary to have some striking visuals to keep people distracted enough not to wake up too fast.

I think its either go all the way with a great 15+min induction and flashy visuals for the main part, or just hardly any or no induction at all, like those sissy videos that popped up everywhere in recent years.

A nice simple audio track is the one in Ivy's old videos, overused as it may be.

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a89e9f  No.63083

>>63080

Thanks. I combed through the script again yesterday on my own time so I found a lot of typos or sentences I didn't really want to typed the way they were. I still need to also work on the balance between suggesting obedience to the file and control over others.

>And some are just a little odd: "You need to dress like a man."

I wasn't sure how to convey this without being more needlessly specific.

>"Doing daily kegel exercises is pleasure." Maybe something like "Lifting everyday is your life." would be better. Idk how important kegel exercises are…

I included them since kegel exercises help people with premature ejaculation, much stronger erections, maybe erectile dysfunction (?), etc.

>"Being unable to cum without permission makes you feel secure and protective"

Yeah, I wasn't sure what to do for this one. I think I might just completely swap it for something else. It does sound a bit odd.

I went fullblown yesterday and basically readied the entire video. I'm just going to go with a mantra format since it isn't exactly complicated. Ah.. Ivy's old videos, perhaps that would work, but I just got a delta soundtrack. As for footage, I'm just going to include solo female masturbation. I was considering POV, but I don't think people would want to hear the guy moaning in the background lol. Maybe if I muted the audio, but that's a part that I think would help with the hypnosis itself. Or perhaps if I just overlayed the solo female audio with POV footage. Not entirely sure yet. Anyway, I think once I get this done, it'll be infinitely easier to make more things like this. I had to get a TTS ready which was a bit annoying, but I found the generally best setup for it to at least sound decent.

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a89e9f  No.63084

>>63083

2nd version of the script (which I'll probably end up going with if no one makes anymore suggestions): /hhw0d5Uy

I'll start making the video now. I'll upload the audio somewhere too afterwards since some people prefer that.

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a89e9f  No.63088

>>63084

Uploaded on PH under L0rdP13x with the same name as the script, should show up soon. I'll probably look into making more things like this, but if you have any suggestions or anything, then let me know. It's my first attempt so I'm sure it's not perfect.

Audio file on vocaroo /eGdpDzfziLG

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a89e9f  No.63091

>>63088

Wow, that was fast. Guess the footage I used wasn't good to use, I assumed it was since it was just a compilation with no one credited. Damn. I guess I'll see if I can use other footage or something. I didn't know they were so hard about this stuff.

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a89e9f  No.63092

>>63091

Does anyone know how in hell you're supposed to know if certain footage can be used or not on PH? I looked it up and there's literally nothing on it.

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a89e9f  No.63093

>>63092

Alright, I think I must've just set off some automated detection. I'm going to re-render and stuff, but with some kind of overlays and a couple changes to the audio. I don't think that should trigger the bot if I do that. I'm used to pretty lax uploading, so I wasn't really prepared for this. Anyway, last update for now since this is the 6th comment in a row even if it's essentially my own thread.

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000000  No.63095

>>63041

> wouldn't do something like (((B4mb1))) (I leave that general area for Wolfgirl to cover, if anyone at all).

I dispute that association. "Wolfgirl" exists to love and improve her host - not to turn her host into living trash. That's B4mb1's domain.

>>63054

> aimed at straight girls

Project "Wolfgirl" is intended for straight members of both sexes. I know that >>61098 and the old thread linked in >>61113 are long, but I've been looking for a femanon's perspective since the project began.

> shouldnt be toooooo hard to make is a well kempt guy with decent voice sitting in front of a camera and playing hot hypno daddy

No. Not putting my face on camera. I am Anonymous and I will remain Anonymous.

But photorealistic animation isn't beyond my projected future capabilities - sometime after the Project "Wolfgirl" TTS - one major programming project at a time - but most of the required software already exists. The big problem is the sheer bulk of video, audio only is much more compact and easier to distribute.

> content/script

I'll be interested in "side projects" while researching for the Project "Wolfgirl" scripts. All ideas are welcome, and except for things that give me ethical qualms, are candidates for the TTS preview releases I've been talking about.

> pacing

> sound quality

Digital synthesis takes care of these. I think that I can turn the steady pacing of a TTS into an asset - it'll make keeping the listener in trance easier.

> lighting

> decent lens & camera

Also solved with rendering.

> Good actor

Yeah, this is the sticking point - modeling and rigging is a lot of work.

>>63056

> I've never seen one single video that I thought was actually worth spending time with

Would you say that video for hypnosis is not worth its bulk?

> At this point in time, those of us with the more plain vanilla desires of just experiencing a nice trance with no bullshit involved are now considered to be the weird ones and the outliers.

Well, that's a few side projects I can appreciate.

Any further criteria I should have in the back of my mind while researching?

Any ideas that you would like to offer for what to do in a session like that?

Any ideas for short-term posthypnotic effects? For example, the next glass of water you drink smells and tastes like lemonade or you have paint on your hands that only you can see until you next sleep.

>>63060

> Good boy seems a bit too sub.

That's an interesting problem - I guess the way I'm avoiding it is that "good boy" and "good girl" are also how people praise good behavior from dogs, so it's not too odd that your "inner wolf" would think of using the appropriate one of those to praise you for good behavior.

Perhaps "good work" could be a good neutral choice for your project? Address the behavior instead of the person?

While it's good that you're trying, find and replace on a sissy video script probably won't do what you want. The problem is that most of the anti-sissy work I've seen has a tendency to go way too far the other way, turning a parody of femininity into a parody of masculinity. Neither of those are good - for listeners of either sex - and I'll be taking great care to avoid those types of problems.

>>63064

> Orgasm denial can work wonders indeed, especially if you have a bit of a higher libido to begin with

So much for keeping sex out of the main series then. probably I have some leads on boosting libido, too…

> getting off in less than a 1 hour+ session

Would you be interested in short but intense workouts leading to full-body orgasms?

>>63080

> those sissy videos that popped up everywhere in recent years

It seems that alphaprinceanon is doing find and replace on a script extracted from a sissy video.

> nice simple audio track

Is background music that important for hypnosis recordings? Or should I go for only layered vocals? Or should I weave the background voice tracks into background music? Not impossible - just another scheduling layer in the TTS pipeline.

>>63093

> I think I must've just set off some automated detection

Remember how sissies got themselves banned from this board? Why are you surprised that triggered sissies spammed reports until your video was taken down?

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a89e9f  No.63098

>>63095

>I dispute that association. "Wolfgirl" exists to love and improve her host - not to turn her host into living trash. That's B4mb1's domain.

Of course, that's not what I meant. I meant as in the general "separate personality" area. B4mb1 takes it in ALL of the wrong ways. On a project on your scale, it takes deep consideration and planning. I have high hopes for your project.

>That's an interesting problem - I guess the way I'm avoiding it is that "good boy" and "good girl" are also how people praise good behavior from dogs, so it's not too odd that your "inner wolf" would think of using the appropriate one of those to praise you for good behavior.

It really depends on the circumstances. If I'm focusing on making the user a dom, then I want to emphasize that without making it entirely sub to listen to the file and obey, which is why I accepted "good dommy" as the trigger. I feel like it does the job. Addressing behavior instead is an interesting idea, but I think this works fine.

>While it's good that you're trying, find and replace on a sissy video script probably won't do what you want. The problem is that most of the anti-sissy work I've seen has a tendency to go way too far the other way, turning a parody of femininity into a parody of masculinity. Neither of those are good - for listeners of either sex - and I'll be taking great care to avoid those types of problems.

Yeah, I'm aware they take it quite a long way. My intentions were to make the "antithesis" of what I think are at least somewhat effective sissy files. Of course, that'll come with the issue you pointed out. What would you suggest in order to avoid this? I want to at least do something, especially for the "general public" of the hypnosis kink that looks for hypnosis videos. If I don't start, then who else is there to do it? Who is there to stop people from falling into the wrong rabbit hole? All of the people who tried it completely stopped. I used to know a cool guy from a few years ago. Suddenly he started transitioning a year or so after I met him. I had a lot of deep discussions with him and I found that, yes, he listened to hypnosis when he was younger. Although he said he thinks that wasn't what it was, I'm sure it still at least had an effect if so. I don't want people to fall down it and commit suicide, which I'm deeply afraid my friend will end up doing. This is partially personal for me in that way.

>It seems that alphaprinceanon is doing find and replace on a script extracted from a sissy video.

I thought trying the route of an "antithesis" would be interesting. Do you think I should avoid that? What other things should I try instead?

>Is background music that important for hypnosis recordings? Or should I go for only layered vocals? Or should I weave the background voice tracks into background music?

I think binaural beats are at least important for hypnosis sessions. If you read up on it, you'll see it's supposed to be able to encourage relaxation and trance. Layered vocals are more for the subconscious to absorb. Weaving them together should be fine, but you should do whatever you think is most effective.

>Remember how sissies got themselves banned from this board? Why are you surprised that triggered sissies spammed reports until your video was taken down?

I doubt it's that. It was right after it publicly appeared, and the bot can take videos down within half an hour. Really, it's more my fault for thinking taking direct footage without at least slightly altering it wouldn't set off anything. While spam reports from sissies are certainly a concern, I don't think it's a huge one when this board isn't that popular and all of these other straight hypnosis videos are still up.

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beca5d  No.63103

>>63088

>lifting weights makes you so horny

goddammit /fit/

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dd7641  No.63105

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Go for it, anon. Right now when it comes to those gimmicky videos you're either stuck with sissy shit or those generic alpha male/deprogramming files that won't attract anyone looking for a fap, so having an actual alternative for that crowd could help especially if it isn't all maledom-focused.

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a89e9f  No.63106

>>63103

I might commonly browse /fit/ but, let's be honest, it'd be nice to have more incentive to lift and stuff.

>>63105

What do you think makes alpha male/deprogramming files generic? Do you think the file/script I made is generic? If not, what about makes it not generic? Is it the whole part with how you have to be obedient to the file/voice/words? What should I avoid and what should I focus on for these kinds of files?

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a89e9f  No.63114

Well, after nearly 7 hours, I've finally finished rendering the hopefully final version of VAP. I'll probably upload it tomorrow and update here.

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000000  No.63115

>>63098

> deep consideration and planning

Yes, and that has blown my initial schedule plans right out.

> I have high hopes for your project.

Thank you.

> I meant as in the general "separate personality" area.

B4mb1 isn't even that. There are other files that attempt to produce alternate personalities in the listener - intentionally inducing mild MPD since the alters lack forms of their own and must share the host's body - but those files don't generally try to completely replace the listener's original personality full time.

> Addressing behavior instead is an interesting idea

That's something you can do in another file. I've got more research to do on this, but as a first guess, try setting triggers to be reminded of the voice in the file saying "good work" or similar when completing a lifting routine and setting a new personal strength record, if you're going for the "bodybuilder" path. You would also have to set the reward triggers for that to only apply outside of trance, or to work it in very carefully so that "good work" during the session reinforces accepting the conditioning while the remembered "good work" rewards proper action.

The problem with this is, again, the runaway effects that can cause problems later. You can go too far with bodybuilding and finding balance on these types of tightropes is one of the major challenges I have had in planning Project "Wolfgirl" so far.

Some of your suggestions are outright dangerous - "You need to get rid of all your body fat." should be more like "You need to show off all of your muscles." That's not really healthy either, but it's a lot better.

> they take it quite a long way

> somewhat effective sissy files

They have to do that to get any effects because their goal is something totally unnatural.

> If I don't start, then who else is there to do it?

"Someone should do something!" → "I should do something!"

Good! But it needs to be effective, not haphazard and certainly not counterproductive.

> All of the people who tried it completely stopped.

What is "it" in this sentence?

> he listened to hypnosis when he was younger

> he said he thinks that wasn't what it was

What was the hypnosis he listened to? There seem to be multiple causes, mostly "ordinary" porn if the NoPorn advocates are to be believed.

> I thought trying the route of an "antithesis" would be interesting. Do you think I should avoid that?

It's interesting, but not likely to produce the stable alphas you want. It's likely to be almost as damaging as the sissy material.

> What would you suggest in order to avoid this?

> What other things should I try instead?

There's a book thread here and a book thread on the bunker. Read and Think. That alone will make you better than ~95% of the sissy hypnotists. I can't spoonfeed you because I don't want them to get the obvious points.

I can say that one of the lies porn tells has to do with oral sex. I'm fairly sure that performing oral sex is an inherently dominant act and receiving oral sex is an inherently submissive act. Licking her pussy to drive a woman to helpless orgasm is one thing, but filling her mouth with your semen is something else.

I can also say that the constant focus on sex and only sex is one of the most destructive aspects of sissy hypnosis and will be just as damaging whether the mad lust is for cock or pussy. You need to find a way to redirect/sublimate the denied orgasms into something useful, whether that's working out or reading books. The sissy hypnotists don't care about this because they're about as ethical as your neighborhood opiate pusher.

> I think binaural beats are at least important for hypnosis sessions.

Those are on the list already.

> Layered vocals are more for the subconscious to absorb.

The background voices will be layered in a fairly complex way that also keeps them distinct. I'm looking at a possibility of scheduling the background voices so that words spoken at different pitches become notes in music. So that what sounds at first impression like background music is actually voices telling you to relax and enjoy the session.

> it's more my fault for thinking taking direct footage without at least slightly altering it wouldn't set off anything.

After some previous raids, they're probably watching for new uploads that match an existing video but have different audio tracks.

>>63106

> Do you think the file/script I made is generic?

It's a good first try, but it's find and replace on a sissy hypnosis script - sissy hypnosis tends to be incredibly bad and generic. It's only effective on the sissies because the sissies are delusional NPCs at the start.

>>63114

> finished rendering the hopefully final version of VAP

That's good. Now you can move on to better efforts than just a sissy antithesis. Think about what you want to do and talk about it here - our goals are similar enough that I think both of our projects can benefit from planning this out.

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a89e9f  No.63118

>>63115

>Some of your suggestions are outright dangerous - "You need to get rid of all your body fat." should be more like "You need to show off all of your muscles." That's not really healthy either, but it's a lot better.

Yes, I also recognized this with some things, but generally many suggestions are extreme exaggerations in order to have the greatest effect. I'll definitely heed it in the future - this first video was really more of a test to see if I can really do this, although I did try to improve it to my best ability. I didn't really consider the safety of it since it's not an actual session, and that is a big fault.

>What is "it" in this sentence?

Straight/alpha hypnosis.

>What was the hypnosis he listened to? There seem to be multiple causes, mostly "ordinary" porn if the NoPorn advocates are to be believed.

I have no idea other than that it was a variety of sissy hypnosis. And yes, I did identify other causes - he was abused by a friend when he lived with him at a young age in his childhood. Trust me when I say there is no saving him. But I can help save others.

>There's a book thread here and a book thread on the bunker. Read and Think. That alone will make you better than ~95% of the sissy hypnotists. I can't spoonfeed you because I don't want them to get the obvious points.

I'll take a look.

>I'm fairly sure that performing oral sex is an inherently dominant act and receiving oral sex is an inherently submissive act. Licking her pussy to drive a woman to helpless orgasm is one thing, but filling her mouth with your semen is something else.

I don't think it's a one way thing. It depends - for example, if you're manhandling her head during a blowjob, that's a dominant act. Recieving a blowjob also usually places you above her in a dominant position. But yes, from a certain standpoint, it's what you said.

>I can also say that the constant focus on sex and only sex is one of the most destructive aspects of sissy hypnosis and will be just as damaging whether the mad lust is for cock or pussy. You need to find a way to redirect/sublimate the denied orgasms into something useful, whether that's working out or reading books. The sissy hypnotists don't care about this because they're about as ethical as your neighborhood opiate pusher.

Yes, I very much agree. That's part of why I thought this particular hypnosis to be interesting, as it wasn't just sex, although it's the main focus. The original file was honestly more destructive as it would encourage many things to lock you (quite literally) into being a sissy. In my file, there is nothing physical to stop the user from just quitting. It's at least somewhat productive too. I see your point though, and that's exactly what I would like to do, especially if I attempt any session files.

>It's a good first try, but it's find and replace on a sissy hypnosis script - sissy hypnosis tends to be incredibly bad and generic. It's only effective on the sissies because the sissies are delusional NPCs at the start.

I wouldn't say it's because the sissies are like that at the beginning. They were once like us too. The problem is, they let their curiosity and depravity get the best of them. They went down the rabbit hole and suffered for it. I see them as victims more than anything. It's unfortunate.

>That's good. Now you can move on to better efforts than just a sissy antithesis. Think about what you want to do and talk about it here - our goals are similar enough that I think both of our projects can benefit from planning this out.

Yeah, that's exactly what I plan on doing. I haven't meshed out anything yet though really. I was considering perhaps making a full on series, but that's a lot and I'm not sure quite what I want yet. I want to explore some standalone things first though in order to setup a base of content as well as experience. Really, I just want the user to become a stable alpha male - or you could say a virile alpha prince, eh? The idea of different flavours from someone earlier is also something interesting for me to consider. Anyway, I'll throw any ideas and probably scripts here. If you have anything in mind as well, feel free to make some suggestions.

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d849c6  No.63122

Alright, hopefully last update for VAP. It's been reuploaded on PH under L0rdP13x. Seems to have stayed up so far. If anyone has any ideas for what they want to see, just throw them at me here.

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16b32f  No.63124

silly question… what the hell is PH ?

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a89e9f  No.63125

>>63124

Pornhub lol

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16b32f  No.63126

>>63125

that was my initial thought, but that username gave me nothing. says it doesn't exist

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16b32f  No.63127

>>63125

nevermind, got it

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a89e9f  No.63128

>>63115

As a little side note - holy shit, I was not expecting this amount of material to cover. This will likely take me months to get through all of this if I have the time. I can probably find some other books too on a certain site which I often to visit to grab fantasy books (I'm an avid fantasy reader and I can knock them out very quickly). If I find anything relevant I'll throw them onto the bunker thread or something.

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000000  No.63131

>>63118

> many suggestions are extreme exaggerations in order to have the greatest effect

You weaken the overall effectiveness of the file when you do that. There's a sweet spot with beneficial hypnosis where you're working with the listener and subconscious resistance is minimized. Going too extreme breaks that trust and either weakens the effects or causes harm. Suggesting self-harm also produces resistance but the typical sissy hypnosis could be better described as "self-destructive brainwashing" anyway - and that seems to be what the sissies actually want by the time they get that far.

> that is a big fault

At least you accept that it's a problem.

> > > All of the people who tried it completely stopped.

> > What is "it" in this sentence?

> Straight/alpha hypnosis.

They probably lost interest when the simple tricks didn't work and they didn't have the desire to learn what does work. There's a lot to read and some of the questions on my research list have me wondering if I'm now taking on a self-study Psychology major.

> it was a variety of sissy hypnosis

That's enough to put some blame on sissy hypnosis. I was concerned that you might be blaming unrelated hypnosis.

> I don't think it's a one way thing.

Her mouth, your genitals. Your mouth, her genitals. Not only is receiving oral sex a passive - and therefore feminine - activity, but you're expressing an extreme - even submissive - degree of trust when putting your penis into her mouth. Porn lies to you.

> The original file was honestly more destructive as it would encourage many things to lock you (quite literally) into being a sissy.

I'll guess you've looked at it more closely than I have, but the only things fitting that description I could find were suggestions to use a chastity device, to grow breasts, and to grow a larger ass. Ass fat is lost in men as easily as it's gained - and some exercises build ass muscles anyway, so a large ass isn't too out of place on a man. Breasts are more unusual, but gynecomastia is a well-known medical condition and can be lived with or cured with surgery - and a guy with breasts is a guy with breasts, nothing else. While chastity device users are often literally "locked in" those devices can also be easily unlocked and removed. I didn't see anything physical in the original script to stop a user from just taking off the chastity device and quitting either. It's not like it told people to lock themselves up and throw away the key. Or did it do that and I didn't notice that suggestion in a quick read-through?

> that's exactly what I would like to do, especially if I attempt any session files

You're on the good side of another divide - you're at least beginning to think about the consequences of your suggestions - something far too many hypnotists never do.

> They were once like us too.

It's a long, long, trip from where we are to sissyville.

> I wouldn't say it's because the sissies are like that at the beginning

They're not - it's a long series of small steps from regular porn to sissyville. The good news is that the widespread proliferation of extreme sissy porn will turn a lot of people away before they get that far, so it seems to be a self-regulating problem, but I'm not sure I like the most likely equilibrium points.

> they let their curiosity and depravity get the best of them. They went down the rabbit hole and suffered for it. I see them as victims more than anything.

I agree with this assessment, but you've got to remember that the sissies are convinced that they want to be sissies before they get to the heavy brainwashing. I've also lost friends to this plague - and yes, they're victims. If you're trying to win this game, you need to offer them a fork off of the road to sissyville early enough on the path that they'll take it.

> I want to explore some standalone things first though in order to setup a base of content as well as experience.

This is a very good idea.

> I just want the user to become a stable alpha male

There's a lot more to that than just lifting - and the biggest hazard I see on your work so far is that an alpha male is a doer and leader, not a thug - another bit of our cultural sewer you'll need to see past if you want this to work.

> virile alpha prince

An amusing antithesis for "51utty (um Pr1n355" - but probably the wrong goal.

>>63128

> I was not expecting this amount of material to cover. This will likely take me months to get through all of this if I have the time.

Now you know why Project "Wolfgirl" is advancing so slowly - add deciding what to put in and building the TTS on top of learning how to do it.

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a89e9f  No.63137

>>63131

>Her mouth, your genitals. Your mouth, her genitals. Not only is receiving oral sex a passive - and therefore feminine - activity, but you're expressing an extreme - even submissive - degree of trust when putting your penis into her mouth. Porn lies to you.

This isn't mainly a porn thing though. From a logical and sexual standpoint, there are a variety of factors like I mentioned before and you did not answer to - which make it not just one way. Inherently, it is basically what you said, but it's more complicated than that. Let's agree to disagree.

>I'll guess you've looked at it more closely than I have, but the only things fitting that description I could find were suggestions to use a chastity device, to grow breasts, and to grow a larger ass. Ass fat is lost in men as easily as it's gained - and some exercises build ass muscles anyway, so a large ass isn't too out of place on a man. Breasts are more unusual, but gynecomastia is a well-known medical condition and can be lived with or cured with surgery - and a guy with breasts is a guy with breasts, nothing else. While chastity device users are often literally "locked in" those devices can also be easily unlocked and removed. I didn't see anything physical in the original script to stop a user from just taking off the chastity device and quitting either. It's not like it told people to lock themselves up and throw away the key. Or did it do that and I didn't notice that suggestion in a quick read-through?

No, but there are implications to every suggestion, and once you go far enough, it seems unlikely to me that the user would quit easily considering there's less blocks in their way than in my file.

>There's a lot more to that than just lifting - and the biggest hazard I see on your work so far is that an alpha male is a doer and leader, not a thug - another bit of our cultural sewer you'll need to see past if you want this to work.

My file was focusing on the sexual part, which is why it seems like a thug file. If I made an actual custom session or mantra, it would likely be a different story.

>An amusing antithesis for "51utty (um Pr1n355" - but probably the wrong goal.

Depends on the definition.

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a89e9f  No.63139

>>63137

*more blocks

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000000  No.63150

>>63137

> there are a variety of factors like I mentioned before and you did not answer

I was running out of space in that post and the mitigating factors you mentioned seem relatively insignificant compared to the big issues of passivity and the submissive degree of trust exhibited in permitting another's mouth near your genitals. The other problem is that the dominant elements you mentioned are more in the "thug" category than the "respected leader" category.

> Let's agree to disagree.

I'll agree to that.

> My file was focusing on the sexual part, which is why it seems like a thug file.

That's another effect of doing find and replace on a sissy hypnosis script, which probably tells us something about sissy hypnosis, but I'm not quite seeing what yet.

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a89e9f  No.63157

>>63150

>The other problem is that the dominant elements you mentioned are more in the "thug" category than the "respected leader" category.

What specifically?

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000000  No.63170

>>63157

> >The other problem is that the dominant elements you mentioned are more in the "thug" category than the "respected leader" category.

> What specifically?

> >>63118

> manhandling her head during a blowjob, that's a dominant act

… and a very thuggish dominant act at that. You are imposing those movements upon her by physical force.

> Recieving a blowjob also usually places you above her in a dominant position.

This is less clear-cut, but generally "standing over someone" has more of a "thug" undertone.

I'm still trying to fully untangle this rat's nest myself, but so far I understand that physical expressions of dominance are the province of "thugs" - a "respected leader" has no need to assert physical dominance because none will challenge him - that's why he's a respected leader and not a thug. It seems that a key feature of civilization is that it allows "respected leaders" to coexist instead of demanding a "king of the shitheap" strategy where there can only be one. But it might still be necessary to imitate a thug to draw a woman in and give her her fantasy of "taming the barbarian" before revealing the respected leader underneath. I'm not sure about this.

As a general principle, authority that is not respected does not exist - if you find yourself saying "Respect my authority!" the truth is that you have no authority. Power is not authority - thugs are able to accumulate power, but never gain authority and any "respect" they receive is at most superficial. Respected leaders have authority, while thugs have only threats and violence.

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a89e9f  No.63172

>>63170

I agree with everything you're saying here, but it's quite different when in a sexual context. Many people can act like freaks in bed, especially those you would least suspect it of. I'm really not sure how you'd even act like a thug in bed - the only ways I consider it that way is if drugs are involved and perhaps it's some kind of gang bang? I don't know, I've never really considered what sexual things could be considered as purely a "thug" thing. And even then, it's questionable. Sexual situations are much different from actual society. Many women want you to act in ways that use force, such as hair pulling, slapping, choking, etc.

Of course, you could also challenge whether this is really normal or not, or if it's caused by porn. In whatever case, fantasies/fetishes have happened long before porn and are fine in sexual contexts, as long as they are consented to by both partners. I'm curious, do you consider BDSM and other physical fetishes as "thug" activities? In many cases, it's less about being a thug and more about the feeling of domination in a sexual context. I just think the word "thug" isn't the right word in this situation. Domination in physical force during sex is much more primal and instinctive than being able to be described by a word that is mainly used for how someone might act in the context of actual society.

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a89e9f  No.63234

I'm still reading up on material and I've learned quite a bit of useful info for future hypnosis. Anyway, updating here since I've determined one thing I really would like to try out, which is a series of sessions that will legitimately "reverse" sissy hypnosis. I'm not sure how many parts yet, but it will essentially strip/overwrite the listener of previous triggers and suggestions. After that is conditioning for being straight and other male tendencies. I don't have it mapped out at all, so it's just something that I know I want to do. When? Don't expect any ETA. This is the only thing that will remotely relate to sissy or "reverse" hypnosis though. All other files I create will just be male straight hypnosis, though I've been quite busy to the point I haven't thought of much to do yet.

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000000  No.63241

>>63172

> I'm really not sure how you'd even act like a thug in bed - the only ways I consider it that way is if drugs are involved and perhaps it's some kind of gang bang? I don't know, I've never really considered what sexual things could be considered as purely a "thug" thing. And even then, it's questionable. Sexual situations are much different from actual society.

As I said, I'm still untangling this.

Generally, I think that use of force tends to be "thuggish" and I don't really accept sex as a special and unique context.

> Many women want you to act in ways that use force, such as hair pulling, slapping, choking, etc.

I think this is the female "taming the barbarian" fantasy. I don't know if she'll be happy that her "barbarian" has "stayed tamed" or if she'll want to "keep taming" him.

> Of course, you could also challenge whether this is really normal or not, or if it's caused by porn.

I suspect that it's caused by porn. Blaming bad societal outcomes related to sex on porn has been depressingly accurate for me so far.

> In whatever case, fantasies/fetishes have happened long before porn and are fine in sexual contexts, as long as they are consented to by both partners.

I'm not sure about this. I'd like to agree with this, but I don't know yet.

> I'm curious, do you consider BDSM and other physical fetishes as "thug" activities? In many cases, it's less about being a thug and more about the feeling of domination in a sexual context.

Some yes and some no. I'm still trying to untangle this, but one of the characteristics I ascribe to "thuggery" is use of brute force instead of skill. The more complex BDSM activities can be too involved to be thuggish and stimulating a restrained partner isn't the same as directly forcing your partner.

> I just think the word "thug" isn't the right word in this situation. Domination in physical force during sex is much more primal and instinctive than being able to be described by a word that is mainly used for how someone might act in the context of actual society.

I don't accept sex as a special and unique context - I'm not sure but I think your choice of words here hints at a lingering effect of either porn exposure or porn's cultural effects. I can't quite see it clearly.

>>63234

> I'm still reading up on material and I've learned quite a bit of useful info for future hypnosis.

Good work, keep it up.

> series of sessions that will legitimately "reverse" sissy hypnosis

> it will essentially strip/overwrite the listener of previous triggers and suggestions

That's easier said than done - the human brain does not do "overwrite" or "delete" only "new item" and - sometimes - garbage collection pruning unused items. Your best strategy is probably to focus initially on breaking the "sissy habits" and treat it like stopping smoking or similar.

> conditioning for being straight and other male tendencies

That'll probably be the easy part.

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a89e9f  No.63243

>>63241

>I think this is the female "taming the barbarian" fantasy. I don't know if she'll be happy that her "barbarian" has "stayed tamed" or if she'll want to "keep taming" him.

That's a rather… odd view of it. I don't think that's how woman think of it.

>I don't accept sex as a special and unique context - I'm not sure but I think your choice of words here hints at a lingering effect of either porn exposure or porn's cultural effects. I can't quite see it clearly.

Actually, being honest, I barely ever watched porn. I'm more taking my thoughts from my actual experience with how most other people think that I've seen be open about this topic. Like I said, sex is a special context as it tends to be where passion turns raw. I'm pretty sure this was still a thing even way back in history. You're free to believe that, but I just think you're pushing porn as a reason onto too much of this. Porn causes a lot of things, but really, it also tends to amplify what's already there.

>That's easier said than done - the human brain does not do "overwrite" or "delete" only "new item" and - sometimes - garbage collection pruning unused items. Your best strategy is probably to focus initially on breaking the "sissy habits" and treat it like stopping smoking or similar.

That's what I meant, I'm just putting it in basic terms for most other people.

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eb5e09  No.63457

Has anyone had success with becoming more premature?

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2453cd  No.63462

>>63457

I don't understand what you mean by premature. Do you mean premature ejaculation? I honestly have no idea why you would want that. I feel like that's more of an issue than anything when you cum so fast and it's over just like that.

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3c0cc2  No.63504

>>63041

I wish there'd be more futa content. I have no interest in becoming a transsexual, but futa on futa is so hot I want to experience it once, from either point of view.

Temporary transformation and hypno-adventures would be great as well, it wouldn't always have to be fetish, more like a guided dream or a book you get to enter.

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9a94b4  No.65020

Try trance.exe on github. makes it all easier imho.

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fd93f2  No.66851

File: 20cb469772229d7⋯.jpg (85.9 KB, 490x470, 49:47, mimm.jpg)

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