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File: c35009121554a7d⋯.gif (681.36 KB,900x401,900:401,1809615_bbmbbf_innocencelo….gif)

 No.15077 [Last50 Posts]

So for you guys that are UNAWARE, Innocence lost 4 is out on patron, but if you remember the 3 portfolios even though they were out they were leaked to the public, So to keep it honestly it wouldn't surprise me if the same happens again with the 4th one so i'll just patiently wait.

keep in mind I was the one that leaked the 3rd one, but i won't be doing it this time because i moved on to livestreaming games on twitch.

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 No.15078

If you guys remember, I was the one who leaked the 3rd portfolio to you guys.

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 No.15097

it's useless anyways, these days bbmbbf watermarks everthing that is not from their paysites

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 No.15098

>>15097

Do we know how he makes this watermarks?

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 No.15126

Holy shit somebody PLEASE get it. If I had the money I would instantly buy it.

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 No.15132

>>15098

iirc, it used to be only exif data, so print screen and ms paint could get rid of all watermarks.

That's not to say they might now be using something a bit more advanced but those types of software are prohibitively expensive.

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 No.15134

Someone has already posted all the pictures on 4chan.

http://boards.4chan.org/trash/thread/7656059

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 No.15136

Can someone post it here? The post got shut down

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 No.15151

:/

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 No.15154

Someone must have saved it. Could anyone upload them here or put it on mega?

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 No.15227

>>15134

404 not found

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 No.15283

bumping because it is no longer available on his patreon.

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 No.15285

Still there for me

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 No.15296

No the thread was deleted not long after it was created.

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 No.15354

Sooo are we just going to give up on looking around and trying? I mean we must have a way to get rid of the watermarks

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 No.15367

>>15354

i honestly don't care about the watermarks.

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 No.15370

>>15367 its not about the watermarks being a nuisance. Its the fact that if we leave them whoever leaked them will have their stuff banned from bbmbbfs stuff i believe.

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 No.15380

Someone has to "take one for the team"

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 No.15417

>>15380

It's easy to say that when you aren't the one risking your 55$/month subscription to a premium artist.

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 No.15436

Well if I had the money I would make an account on a new email or something just to get it and upload it

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 No.15505

Dont let this thread die

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 No.15517

IMPORTANT UPDATE

As we know getting innocence lost 4 for 65$ is a lot just for 1 portfolio. the outcome has changed

Karavan has just posted on his inkbunny blog that he is selling his portfolio and the full innocence lost 4 portfolio for only 8$ right now. Just an update if anyone is interested.

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 No.15518

update to my previous post, the offer for 8$ has been around for 3 weeks. guess im a little late.

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 No.15538

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 No.15544

Sooooo any of y'all planning on buying it? Any other week I could do it but not this week maybe next week.

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 No.15548

File: b22486a450fd4c7⋯.png (1.33 MB,1200x1696,75:106,pic22 audrey.png)

The day is finally here! I am currently downloading the pictures right now and my god, this is the best portfolio yet, amazing work. The gifs however are already out there (they arent what you think trust me) so I dont know if I will send them. Stay tuned. Will post later today. (yeah im waiting cause i like suspense) I shall post 1 teaser image though.

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 No.15550

beautiful! … thank you very much my friend.

no words to describe what you are doing for us.

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 No.15552

File: 399f60b233ee83b⋯.png (3.39 MB,1439x2062,1439:2062,Capture+_2017-02-27-17-08-….png)

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 No.15553

File: 6afcfc1b8d27f07⋯.png (2.03 MB,1439x1069,1439:1069,Capture+_2017-02-27-17-07-….png)

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 No.15554

File: 02d51aa5dbe4ad7⋯.png (1.97 MB,1439x1081,1439:1081,Capture+_2017-02-27-17-06-….png)

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 No.15555

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 No.15556

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 No.15557

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 No.15558

File: 40f7768643eb526⋯.png (3.16 MB,1439x2029,1439:2029,Capture+_2017-02-27-17-02-….png)

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 No.15559

File: db58fbe6e3e099e⋯.png (3.19 MB,1439x2033,1439:2033,Capture+_2017-02-27-17-00-….png)

Reupload of this pic for archiving purposes i gues

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 No.15560

File: aaff662f6add13f⋯.gif (313.32 KB,896x504,16:9,Launny_bbmbbych.gif)

File: ff90c6a5f0e7d76⋯.gif (265.57 KB,900x506,450:253,Launny_bbmv.gif)

Told you they weren't what you thought.

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 No.15561

That's all the portfolio had to offer my friends! IMO the best portfolio I have ever seen in my life. Enjoy!

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 No.15567

again, really, but thank you very much for

share this work with us.

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 No.15570

You are very welcome :)

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 No.15575

>>15570

can you rar or zip on mega.co.nz

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 No.15586

Im not the one to do that but if someone else can thar would be great. (I dont use mega that often)

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 No.15646

Hello I am original owner of this portfolio. If I may I would like this thread or at least the images shown in this thread to be taken down please. I do not support that my friend leaked these files I gave to him and now I am getting into an issue with Karavan for the leakage of these. Sorry to upset you all but this needs to be removed.

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 No.15652

>>15646

Uh-huh. Well, I hate to say it, but these pics are now officially on the Net. I've saved them and probably half the users who came here saved them. So, I say the thread should stay since there's no reversing whats been done.

If you're gonna crack under this kind of pressure from hacks like Karavan and bbmbbf, you should have thought twice about sharing this.

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 No.15657

>>15646

you are asking me this now? bro its been 3 DAYS since these pictures became leaked, too late now..remember i leaked the 3rd one and he said at that point he was gonna put down this comic series..still hasn't yet.

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 No.15658

File: c1f9239a5ef6c4c⋯.jpg (44.81 KB,641x284,641:284,little tails.jpg)

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 No.15659

>>15658

yep,ahh..the memories lol.

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 No.15665

>>15657

You mean those days where he used to post 3 pages a week? nowdays we are lucky to get a page monthly, Thank u idiots.

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 No.15666

>>15646

Jeez, those watermarks are really working

Sadly the other guy is right, once reach the internet there's no way to stop it, you just need one copy leaked and then will be everywhere, specially regarding porn.

Spectpooheagles, you shouldn't be remembering/celebrating constantly what you did or what he says about it, that's stupid.

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 No.15670

Hey, original owner again.

Its over then I guess. Take the portfolio. Just dont expect anything more from me or "The Successor" as we have now been blacklisted from purchasing their stuff.

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 No.15671

>>15670 Look,you guys took the risk.. you didn't have to do that, you knew the risks first off when you gave him the porfolio so if anything..to keep it honest you only have yourself to blame.

>>15666 Well, i really don't care what you consider stupid let alone idc what he thinks or says, for me after this imma just go play some Battlefield/Warframe and act like this didn't happen, I don't take art as serious as he does let alone do i take the internet as serious as he tends to most of the time.

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 No.15672

>>15665

you're welcome, i wouldn't worry so much about getting a page for 1 month since his content isn't as good as used to be.

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 No.15673

>>15586

Fuck you idiot. Now we will never see any other portfolios like these anymore..

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 No.15675

>>15673

He wont stop making them trust me. He said he would cancel them if 3 was leaked. It was, now we have 4. Trust me 5 will come. In about a year and a half time

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 No.15678

File: 540581e9698b25a⋯.png (5.36 MB,4961x3510,4961:3510,angel annie.png)

>>15675

You guys seems aren't realizing some facts,

IL4 was never sold, It was given as a gift to patreons, (I guess to keep them from going out) so the circunstances of the release are different.

maybe he will make IL5 "in about a year and half" like someone says but the first ones was made for selling purposes in a little more than a year period (all 3) , I can see a lack of interest from BBMBBF to continue with his franquice. (Specpooh said "not as good as it used to be", but that can also be a consequence of all this, you can't continue sabotaging someone and at the same time demand improvements right?.

Same is hapening with the comic, which is barely updated lately, Specpoo can't be totally sure that his actions by leaking IL3 dind't affected at all, maybe or maybe not specpoo's actions have nothing to do (i can see clearly a lack of interest from bbmbbf's side), but we will never know, the only thing that is really sure is that certanly didn't gave Bbmbbf any motivation

and Specpooh, don't you have any remorse to be practically begging for weeks for someone to put the portfolio, and when that someone appears tell him "go to fuck yourself, its your fault"?.

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 No.15680

>>15678

When did i beg since starting this thread? what i said was "So for you guys that are UNAWARE, Innocence lost 4 is out on patron, but if you remember the 3 portfolios even though they were out they were leaked to the public, So to keep it honestly it wouldn't surprise me if the same happens again with the 4th one so i'll just patiently wait.

keep in mind I was the one that leaked the 3rd one, but i won't be doing it this time because i moved on to livestreaming games on twitch."

if that is begging in your eyes you need to look up what the word begging means, what I did was let people know of what is coming out in case people had not been paying attention (and rightfully so of that reasoning). Also im pretty sure i gave my reasoning long ago for why i didn't like what BBMBBF was doing from a business side which LED to me doing what I did at the time which was leak IL3.

Like i said in a earlier comment, i don't give 2 fucks what people think or say since at the end of the day.. this is the internet, you better keep your emotions surpressed because if you don't you won't have a fun time on it and you will be broken down MENTALLY. So.. no i don't have any remorse whatsoever.

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 No.15681

>>15678

When did i beg since starting this thread? what i said was "So for you guys that are UNAWARE, Innocence lost 4 is out on patron, but if you remember the 3 portfolios even though they were out they were leaked to the public, So to keep it honestly it wouldn't surprise me if the same happens again with the 4th one so i'll just patiently wait.

keep in mind I was the one that leaked the 3rd one, but i won't be doing it this time because i moved on to livestreaming games on twitch."

if that is begging in your eyes you need to look up what the word begging means, what I did was let people know of what is coming out in case people had not been paying attention (and rightfully so of that reasoning). Also im pretty sure i gave my reasoning long ago for why i didn't like what BBMBBF was doing from a business side which LED to me doing what I did at the time which was leak IL3.

Like i said in a earlier comment, i don't give 2 fucks what people think or say since at the end of the day.. this is the internet, you better keep your emotions suppressed because if you don't you won't have a fun time on it and you will be broken down MENTALLY. So.. no i don't have any remorse whatsoever.

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 No.15683

>>15680

to further continue, NOT only did I remind people of what happened the 3 time he came out with these porfolios but i even CALLED IT OUT and said "It wouldn't surprise me if the same happens again with the 4th one so i'll patiently wait" i don't think that is begging bro, that is just waiting for the inevitable to happen..

This is the internet bro, no matter how hard BBMBBF tries to surpress innoncence lost, that shit will EVENTUALLY get leaked for everyone to see which is why from the beginning locking people behind a paywall is a shitty idea, it was shitty then and its shitty now.

Can't hide from the internet.

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 No.15684

>>15680

for someone who gives a fuck you really cared to explain yourself well in 3 posts in a row,

>>15683

You sure?. there's one guy on VIP thread asking for "reconciliation" or "hermione's bla bla bla" comics that have months (reconciliation have a year I think so) and doesn't seems that will be leaked anytime soon. there are actually a lot of comics that are not free yet (tho I don't remember the names)

"i didn't like what BBMBBF was doing from a business side which LED to me doing what I did", that sounds so pretentious, like you actually had the power and the knowledge to decide when something is wrong, you make it sound so important, but there are many guys who constantly release stuff here, and most are not reminding us everytime "i was the one who posted..blablabla", "I decided that what they do with their busness is not something that I like, so i'll stop them with my powerful wallet", for someone who gives a fuck you really like to make yourself and your actions sound important.

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 No.15687

>>15684

hey just want to say yes IL4 was sold without patreon, that is how I purchased it. Sadly my friend leaked it and now im blacklisted. But just wanted to add that little tidbit of knowledge. It was sold, for 8$

dont drag me into this I just wanted to correct that

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 No.15691

>>15687

Are You sure you purchased it from Bbmbbf and not Karavan? (after some weeks of low sales Bbmbbf gave IL4 to him in some kind of 2x1 (IL4 was a bonus) in the hope to rise his sales, as far I know Bbmbbf didn't receive anything from there.

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 No.15692

>>15687

Remember-Remember what happend with Half-Life 2.

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 No.15694

>>15684

yep, now if you don't mind, i got games to play.. be back here in about….a few years maybe.

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 No.15699

>>15691

Yeah i did purchase it from karavan not bbmbbf.

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 No.15711

>>15699

I'm yet wondering why he decided to not sell it, i'm sure he knows there will be a lot of people interested that can't go that far to pay a diamond membership on his patreon, he just gave it away, even with karavan, like he didn't cared much. I notice also the latest comic page on inkbunny was translated by the inkbunny members already but he didn't updated the comic, he have the page almost ready since more than a week.

Maybe he just lost the interest on the series, he seems more focused on 3d and sculptures nowdays.

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 No.15713

File: 4bf6969c2c6bc23⋯.png (106.82 KB,1252x476,313:119,Screen Shot 2017-03-03 at ….png)

welp. don goofed. =w=

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 No.15714

I like how he said they backed out of the seal with hentaikey yet they still do business with them. Nothing will happen trust me. Guys making shit ton of money a month through patreon. Worse that will happen is a short slow down.

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 No.15716

Like bbmbbf has said before I only make art for people who can pay. Which means hentaikey is still paying him.

It’s good to see hentaikay is still paying bbmbbf for his work after he deserve the money.

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 No.15757

>>15713

will bbmbbf do it? close those side-sites?

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 No.15766

>>15757

maybe, but it isn't really because of the leaks. It's mostly because those side sites aren't doing well enough sales-wise to support keeping them up.

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 No.15775

>>15766

if these sites close does it mean they'll stop doing bdsm and yuri pics?

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 No.15875

>>15766

That's correct, i'm sure Bbmbbf doesn't mind the leaks if at least the retribution from the sales was significant, Which it seems are not, at least lately.

Bbmbbf posted a journal (sadly now removed) about a special deal that they had with hentaikey, deal that seems is over now.

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 No.18254

File: d79947b32b89c4f⋯.jpg (471.46 KB,2048x1448,256:181,23721262fa7ccc890e5325894a….jpg)

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File: 24c5bd4abca2939⋯.jpg (2.23 MB,1600x2261,1600:2261,2212592 - Annie Cathy Litt….jpg)

File: 5e641cfc7da51bf⋯.jpg (1.22 MB,1600x1132,400:283,2212590 - Angel Little_Tai….jpg)

File: 20f22d08b019f13⋯.jpg (1.28 MB,1600x1132,400:283,2212589 - Angel April Litt….jpg)

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 No.20602

why some pics have black filler bars on top and bottom? besides.. original file names are missing., they are replaced by caputre date

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 No.20609

>>15875

Hentaikey is almost dead by now, Patreon killed it.

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 No.20735

File: f66767b6d0b594d⋯.jpg (206.05 KB,800x600,4:3,1964452_krezzman_promo.jpg)

Sooooo…..anyone got this? You'll be my hero if you do!

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 No.20737

>>20735

Stop no one is going to post it because it's watermarked.

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 No.20872

>>20737

Clever move. They should've done the watermark thing long ago. Would have solved their piracy problems right then and there.

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 No.20906

File: 589e2895a9d2cf4⋯.png (924.15 KB,4500x3200,45:32,589e2895a9d2cf4e6453bcd6df….png)

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 No.21000

File: 82a949a813467ee⋯.png (16.12 KB,645x125,129:25,82a949a813467ee7f21e8533ef….png)

The reason you are attracted to cub porn in the first place is because you are attracted to sexual depictions of creatures that are, for all intents and purposes, children.

I won't go into the morality issue of whether pedophilia is a moral wrong or not, because that isn't really my point. My point is that lovers of cub smut have to be pedophiles, because if they weren't pedophiles then cub smut wouldn't get their rocks off.

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 No.21045

>>21000

Lol try telling that to the inkbunny community! Start a riot! XD

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 No.22676

This thread dead?

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 No.23495

Little tails comic needs more sex in it.

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 No.23785

>>21000

Nice false flag you stupid . Take your moral bullshit back to fagaffinity where you belong.

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 No.23787

This art is… dissapointing

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 No.23806

>>23495

Touche! It seems bbmmf is too interested in his "Storytelling" and forgot the sex.

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 No.23807

>>23787

Yeah, most of palcomix/krezz karavan's art portfolio's pretty much are underwhelming. Not enough quality content, and he often never goes all the way with the sex scenes, they're rather rushed and poorly composed.

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 No.23809

File: 3207b72254ab034⋯.png (16.98 KB,1079x532,1079:532,over.PNG)

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 No.23811

File: 617621c8ebe25dc⋯.jpg (1.12 MB,1414x1000,707:500,1509322211542.jpg)

File: cc953a1010c7671⋯.jpg (1.21 MB,1414x1000,707:500,1509322275542.jpg)

File: 819cedcdad7476b⋯.jpg (1.11 MB,1414x1000,707:500,1509322408542.jpg)

File: 954fcba914fe481⋯.jpg (1.15 MB,1414x1000,707:500,1509322506542.jpg)

File: 924ee42fc5f2ad8⋯.jpg (1.14 MB,1414x1000,707:500,1509322776542.jpg)

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 No.23814

>>23811

That comic is called "No need for frustration" commissioned by JanuxMaxwell, Bbmbbf explained that some customer request repeat specific poses from reference pages, btw, the pages are clearly similar but are not traced in any way, but redraw, in an ugly way must say (the original references was a lot better), but then again, that comic is like 10 years old.

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 No.23822

File: a2723feebff68e2⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image,550.29 KB,2382x1190,1191:595,SF HF comparison.jpg)

>>23814

Deja fucking vu

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 No.23848

>>23809

Did bbmbbf break patreon's terms of service?

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 No.23871

File: c694bfd408a41a2⋯.jpg (462.15 KB,748x592,187:148,bmbfbf lol 2.jpg)

File: ed6a174118129ff⋯.png (241.07 KB,868x491,868:491,bmbfbf lol 3.png)

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>>23848

I guess now bmbbf will have to write another rage post.

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 No.23872

File: a014890a9a0b305⋯.png (49.74 KB,986x317,986:317,Capture.PNG)

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 No.23877

>>23871

makes ya feel sorry for him right?

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 No.23895

This is why you don't try to make a living off of drawing porn.

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 No.23898

File: 40b8351fc211a87⋯.jpg (43.36 KB,640x640,1:1,FBI.jpg)

Patreon has now banned lolicon and most things sexual, but haven't touched certain users like Zone. Patreon will fucking call the cops on users now.

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2017/10/22/patreon-bans-lolicon-rape-well-call-the-cops-on-you/

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 No.23901

>>23898

It seems that this affects even cartoon bunnies, is not ridiculous how moral and political correctness is invading our society more every day? there are moralfags even here!

their patreon was closed. I wonder if was becouse this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGYpQCGSKBw&t=18s

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 No.23902

>>23895

Especially porn of Disney and Sega and every other copyrighted material out there. Even Tumblr nuked people's blogs for pokemon nudes.

How Disney never sued Palcomix to the ground I'll never know…

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 No.23906

File: 06138916d4dc63b⋯.png (43.26 KB,783x332,783:332,bbmbbf.PNG)

RIP

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 No.23928

>>23906

Celebrating too soon there anon? It'll be back up in no time and life will resume as normal.

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 No.24658

I never got to see any of the previous "Innocence Lost" packs. Can someone post those too?

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 No.25466

>>24658

Good luck finding them now…

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 No.25471

File: cdbfb479999dd32⋯.jpg (134.98 KB,902x400,451:200,picture 01.jpg)

new portfólio Available

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 No.25472

File: 239ef1bfcd232bd⋯.jpg (139.22 KB,899x402,899:402,picture 02.jpg)

File: 63951cf45321f60⋯.jpg (131.38 KB,898x405,898:405,picture 03.jpg)

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 No.25474

File: 5208b159bf8f93e⋯.png (38.37 KB,644x275,644:275,paywall.PNG)

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 No.25478

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 No.25510

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 No.25513

>>25472

God, AGAIN with the humans?! Why can't he use his already existing characters and have them bang each other? That is the one thing present in all the portfolios that stops me from buying them. The humans are completely out of place and don't fit at all with the characters.

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 No.25542

>>25513

I totally agree with you.

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 No.25554

File: cb6f7cba8f8103f⋯.gif (380.9 KB,900x401,900:401,banner.gif)

I love these puppies.

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 No.25677

Do any of you guys know where I can find innocence lost 1-3 let me know

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 No.25716

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 No.25837

Thanks no we wait for number 5😀

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 No.25860

>>25837

But I hope that the 5 will be shared one day… Need not be immediate, because the artist has to earn his money… I want to complete my collection. ; )

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 No.25861

If you want it so bad why don't you use your money to get this paywall content

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 No.25869

>>25716

Now how about the 4th Innocense Lost?

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 No.25885

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 No.26394

Someone gotta have Innocence Lost 5 by now.

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 No.28056

do anyone have innocence lost 5 yet?

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 No.28059

File: 7423cd6c07cd699⋯.jpg (120.09 KB,1023x724,1023:724,hinata vip.jpg)

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 No.28071

>>28070

WTF!? use your own shitty nick, f4gg8t

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 No.28089

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET RID OF THESE IDIOTS? IF YOU IDIOTS DON"T STOP, I WILL FIND YOU AND KILL YOUR SORRY ASSES! I. WILL. FUCKING. FIND. YOU.

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 No.28343

Now that all that ridiculousness is out of the way, I'm just going to say that if no one's leaked IL5 yet, then give it time. IL4 was released on the TJA store a while after it was up on his Patreon, and for a relatively affordable price. So just wait it out. It'll be out eventually.

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 No.28347

>>28059

go fuck yourself, jerk

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 No.28731

Ohshet thread still alive '>'

Lurkmode engage

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 No.28736

>>28059

get lost, cancermonger

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 No.29172

>>28736

Forgive me for being the new guy, but what'd he do?

(Not defending him or bashing him til I get an answer)

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 No.29545

does anyone have number 5 yet?

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 No.29546

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 No.30744

>>23822

what is the name of the manga on the left?

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 No.37507

Innocent Lost 5 is gone! Bring them back!

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 No.37869

File: 490a4fec87fb779⋯.jpg (677.42 KB,1200x1696,75:106,00.jpg)

Not technically IL related, but this should be interesting.

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 No.44710

Does anyone have archives with these sets of images?

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 No.44738

I hope that someone out there has either a drive or mediafire of parts 6 and 7 please

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