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Smart people who don't look past the boogeyman Veteran Leader 08/27/16 (Sat) 16:23:25 3d98ea No.327137

I listen to a couple of anime and gaming related podcasts. This one recently mentioned that Otakon had a gamergate-related panel, "Politics in Video Games". https://www.otakon.com/events_schedule_detail.asp?eventID=25&id=49102 Oddly, I don't see any mention of it here.

http://www.anigamers.com/podcasts/064-cannon-busters-under-the-dog-eating-contests-otakon-2016

Skip to 58:45 for relevant section

The hosts and guests on the podcast include people that I consider to be pretty smart. They present multiple informative, well-researched panels at multiple conventions. These are people who go deep enough to know about the production staff and sometimes stories about the creation process in the new and old anime they discuss. People who don't subscribe to the regressive idea that violent video games or violent anime/cartoons are harmful to society. People who call out bullshit business practices when they see it from media and games companies. People who see nuance and gradients where others might see black and white.

And yet, the reaction when the GG label comes up is the usual harassment mob of misogyny. The main concern is "how was this panel allowed in otakon, and are the organizers aware so it's never allowed again?" without regard to whether or not the panel might have had valid information or the quality of its delivery. Granted, it may well have been a shitshow judging by the description alone but neither me nor anyone on the podcast actually attended the panel and there is no recording that I have seen online. My point is in the discussion they create this cartoonish caricature of a hate-spewing ogre, card-carrying member of the Little Rascals' He-Man Woman Haters Club, ridiculous to the point that it makes me question how someone wouldn't stop for a moment and consider if this image is maybe a bit overblown. I have difficulty reconciling the fact that these generally well-informed people would ignore or dismiss things like the evidence of media bias and continued demonizing of games. Did they meet one too many actual autists in person or online that reinforced the image? Is their knowledge of GG based entirely on just what they read on mainstream publications and their contacts in the industry? Is the idea of complaining about biased journalism and industry mutual back-scratching considered just stupid as a whole when admittedly, there are bigger problems in the world to be concerned with than things like sex scenes removed on english localized games?

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Veteran Leader 08/27/16 (Sat) 17:31:01 3d98ea No.327139

Most people would crawl over a mile of broken glass to avoid a perceived drop in status. Actual integrity is, sadly, quite rare.

That's why the SJW attacks were so effective. They accuse not only the people opposing their bullshit, but also anybody who might be in a five mile radius thinking of asking questions that stray from the narrative. Gosh, gee, anon, critical thinking and evaluating claims? That's like calling a rape victim a liar! Most people don't want a bar of shit flinging like that and will just sidle over to whatever side sounds the most virtuous on surface value. Worst case scenario, they have to apologise and claim they were trying to do the right thing. Boom, no status lost.

As for intelligent people that you respect doing this, well even people that you respect are still people. So they're not infallible and they'll do shitty things.

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Veteran Leader 08/27/16 (Sat) 17:42:53 3d98ea No.327143

Most people are idiots. Meat for dogs. Take what you wish from them by any means you can, and leave them in filth and ignorance.

Don't waste your energy trying to teach a sheep to be a king.

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Veteran Leader 08/27/16 (Sat) 18:03:08 3d98ea No.327146

Many people simply don't have the info we do. The online censorship was very effective.

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Veteran Leader 08/27/16 (Sat) 18:20:55 3d98ea No.327151

Most people just watch and listen to whatever the mainstream says to listen to without actually going and looking at what is beyond the news story. When Wikileaks dropped I remember my mother telling me "wow can you believe he raped those women what a monster!" But when I told her what had happened and how bogus the rape charge was, she actually got upset. I remember her saying in particular "We would have crucified Jesus and not even thought twice about it."

A lot of people who are not in the know are well meaning but they don't get their information from reliable sources, or the information is crafted to portray a specific narrative. It's why Trump is being called a KKK member because David Duke likes him while Clinton praised a former Grand Wizard who was her mentor and is getting no issues for that.

The same principle applies to Gamergate. In the end, a lot of smart people are just not willing to challenge their own beliefs that they might be wrong, or challenge what is being told to them,

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Veteran Leader 08/28/16 (Sun) 16:47:53 3d98ea No.327232

>>327139

>Actual integrity is, sadly, quite rare.

As an aside, integrity is often conflated with ethical behavior, when it's not always the case.

Not everyone who claims to have ethics in mind has integrity, but those who do have integrity will always be ethical.

>>327146

>The online censorship was very effective.

Mainly because people self-censor themselves for various reasons, whether they be unwilling or unable to have their preset notions challenges, or unable or unwilling to open up their minds to alternative viewpoints, or just plain apathy & laziness.

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