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I want to argue for something which is controversial, although I believe that it is also intuitive and commonsensical. My claim is this: Oliver believes what he does because that is the kind of thinker he is or, to put it more bluntly, because there is something wrong with how he thinks. The problem with conspiracy theorists is not, as the US legal scholar Cass Sunstein argues, that they have little relevant information. The key to what they end up believing is how they interpret and respond to the vast quantities of relevant information at their disposal. I want to suggest that this is fundamentally a question of the way they are. Oliver isn’t mad (or at least, he needn’t be). Nevertheless, his beliefs about 9/11 are the result of the peculiarities of his intellectual constitution – in a word, of his intellectual character.

(there are no mobs of marauders, nobody's trying to take your guns, 5G doesn't cause COVID, chemtrails are bullshit, there is no 'deepstate', and there is no new civil war approaching)

Usually, when philosophers try to explain why someone believes things (weird or otherwise), they focus on that person’s reasons rather than their character traits. On this view, the way to explain why Oliver believes that 9/11 was an inside job is to identify his reasons for believing this, and the person who is in the best position to tell you his reasons is Oliver. When you explain Oliver’s belief by giving his reasons, you are giving a ‘rationalising explanation’ of his belief.

The problem with this is that rationalising explanations take you only so far. If you ask Oliver why he believes 9/11 was an inside job he will, of course, be only too pleased to give you his reasons: it had to be an inside job, he insists, because aircraft impacts couldn’t have brought down the towers. He is wrong about that, but at any rate that’s his story and he is sticking to it. What he has done, in effect, is to explain one of his questionable beliefs by reference to another no less questionable belief. Unfortunately, this doesn’t tell us why he has any of these beliefs. There is a clear sense in which we still don’t know what is really going on with him.

Now let’s flesh out Oliver’s story a little: suppose it turns out that he believes lots of other conspiracy theories apart from the one about 9/11. He believes the Moon landings were faked, that Diana, Princess of Wales, was murdered by MI6, and that the Ebola virus is an escaped bioweapon. Those who know him well say that he is easily duped, and you have independent evidence that he is careless in his thinking, with little understanding of the difference between genuine evidence and unsubstantiated speculation. Suddenly it all begins to make sense, but only because the focus has shifted from Oliver’s reasons to his character. You can now see his views about 9/11 in the context of his intellectual conduct generally, and this opens up the possibility of a different and deeper explanation of his belief than the one he gives: he thinks that 9/11 was an inside job because he is gullible in a certain way. He has what social psychologists call a ‘conspiracy mentality’.

The gullible never believe they are gullible and the closed-minded don’t believe they are closed-minded

Notice that the proposed character explanation isn’t a rationalising explanation. After all, being gullible isn’t a reason for believing anything, though it might still be why Oliver believes 9/11 was an inside job. And while Oliver might be expected to know his reasons for believing that 9/11 was an inside job, he is the last person to recognise that he believes what he believes about 9/11 because he is gullible. It is in the nature of many intellectual character traits that you don’t realise you have them, and so aren’t aware of the true extent to which your thinking is influenced by them. The gullible rarely believe they are gullible and the closed-minded don’t believe they are closed-minded. The only hope of overcoming self-ignorance in such cases is to accept that other people – your co-workers, your spouse, your friends – probably know your intellectual character better than you do. But even that won’t necessarily help. After all, it might be that refusing to listen to what other people say about you is one of your intellectual character traits. Some defects are incurable.

Gullibility, carelessness and closed-mindedness are examples of what the US philosopher Linda Zagzebski, in her book Virtues of the Mind (1996), has called ‘intellectual vices’. Others include negligence, idleness, rigidity, obtuseness, prejudice, lack of thoroughness, and insensitivity to detail. Intellectual character traits are habits or styles of thinking. To describe Oliver as gullible or careless is to say something about his intellectual style or mind-set – for example, about how he goes about trying to find out things about events such as 9/11. Intellectual character traits that aid effective and responsible enquiry are intellectual virtues, whereas intellectual vices are intellectual character traits that impede effective and responsible inquiry. Humility, caution and carefulness are among the intellectual virtues Oliver plainly lacks, and that is why his attempts to get to the bottom of 9/11 are so flawed.

Oliver is fictional, but real-world examples of intellectual vices in action are not hard to find. Consider the case of the ‘underwear bomber’ Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who tried to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit in 2009. Abdulmutallab was born in Lagos, Nigeria, to affluent and educated parents, and graduated from University College London with a degree in mechanical engineering. He was radicalised by the online sermons of the Islamic militant Anwar al-Awlaki, who was subsequently killed by an American drone strike. It’s hard not to see the fact that Abdulmutallab was taken in by Awlaki’s sermons as at least partly a reflection of his intellectual character. If Abdulmutallab had the intellectual character not to be duped by Awlaki, then perhaps he wouldn’t have ended up on a transatlantic airliner with explosives in his underpants.

Intellectual character explanations of questionable beliefs are more controversial than one might imagine. For example, it has been suggested that explaining peoples’ bad behaviour or weird beliefs by reference to their character makes us more intolerant of them and less empathetic. Yet such explanations might still be correct, even if they have deleterious consequences. In any case, it’s not obvious that character explanations should make us less tolerant of other peoples’ foibles. Suppose that Oliver can’t help being the kind of person who falls for conspiracy theories. Shouldn’t that make us more rather than less tolerant of him and his weird beliefs?

A different objection to character-based explanations is that it’s just not true that people have questionable beliefs because they are stupid or gullible. In How We Know What Isn’t So (1991), the US social psychologist Thomas Gilovich argues that many such beliefs have ‘purely cognitive origins’, by which he means that they are caused by imperfections in our capacities to process information and draw conclusions. Yet the example he gives of a cognitive explanation takes us right back to character explanations. His example is the ‘hot hand’ in basketball. The idea is that when a player makes a couple of shots he is more likely to make subsequent shots. Success breeds success.

Gilovich used detailed statistical analysis to demonstrate that the hot hand doesn’t exist – performance on a given shot is independent of performance on previous shots. The question is, why do so many basketball coaches, players and fans believe in it anyway? Gilovich’s cognitive explanation is that belief in the hot hand is due to our faulty intuitions about chance sequences; as a species, we’re bad at recognising what genuinely random sequences look like.

And yet when Gilovich sent his results to a bunch of basketball coaches, what happened next is extremely revealing. One responded: ‘Who is this guy? So he makes a study. I couldn’t care less.’ This seems like a perfect illustration of intellectual vices in operation. The dismissive reaction manifested a range of vices, including closed-mindedness and prejudice. It’s hard not to conclude that the coach reacted as he did because he was closed-minded or prejudiced. In such cases as this, as with the case of Oliver, it’s just not credible that character traits aren’t doing significant explanatory work. A less closed-minded coach might well have reacted completely differently to evidence that the hot hand doesn’t exist.

Could we explain the dismissiveness of the coach without referring to his personality in general? ‘Situationists’, as they are called, argue that our behaviour is generally better explained by situational factors than by our supposed character traits. Some see this as a good reason to be skeptical about the existence of character. In one experiment, students at a theological seminary were asked to give a talk elsewhere on campus. One group was asked to talk about the parable of the Good Samaritan, while the rest were assigned a different topic. Some were told they had plenty to time to reach the venue for the lecture, while others were told to hurry. On their way to the venue, all the students came across a person (an actor) apparently in need of help. In the event, the only variable that made a difference to whether they stopped to help was how much of a hurry they were in; students who thought they were running late were much less likely to stop and help than those who thought they had time. According to the Princeton philosopher Gilbert Harman, the lesson of such experiments is that ‘we need to convince people to look at situational factors and to stop trying to explain things in terms of character traits’.

You say that Oliver is gullible for believing his 9/11 conspiracy theory; he retorts that you are gullible for believing the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission

The character traits that Harman had in mind are moral virtues such as kindness and generosity, but some situationists also object to the idea of intellectual virtues and vices. For example, they point to evidence that people perform much better in problem-solving tasks when they are in a good mood. If trivial situational factors such as mood or hunger are better at explaining your intellectual conduct than your so-called intellectual character, then what is the justification for believing in the existence of intellectual character traits? If such traits exist, then shouldn’t they explain one’s intellectual conduct? Absolutely, but examples such as Oliver and Gilovich’s basketball coach suggest that intellectual character traits do explain a person’s intellectual conduct in an important range of cases. People don’t believe weird things because they are hungry or in a bad (or good) mood. The view that people don’t have character traits such as gullibility, carelessness or prejudice, or that people don’t differ in intellectual character, deprives us of seemingly compelling explanations of the intellectual conduct of both Oliver and the basketball coach.

Suppose it turns out that Oliver lives in a region where conspiracy theories are rife or that he is under the influence of friends who are committed conspiracy theorists. Wouldn’t these be perfectly viable situational, non-character explanations of his beliefs about 9/11? Only up to a point. The fact that Oliver is easily influenced by his friends itself tells us something about his intellectual character. Where Oliver lives might help to explain his beliefs, but even if conspiracy theories are widespread in his neck of the woods we still need to understand why some people in his region believe them, while others don’t.

Differences in intellectual character help to explain why people in the same situation end up believing such different things. In order to think that intellectual character traits are relevant to a person’s intellectual conduct, you don’t have to think that other factors, including situational factors, are irrelevant. Intellectual character explains intellectual conduct only in conjunction with a lot of other things, including your situation and the way your brain processes information. Situationism certainly would be a problem for the view that character traits explain our conduct regardless of situational factors, but that is not a view of character anyone has ever wanted to defend.

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In practical terms, one of the hardest things about dealing with people such as Oliver is that they are more than likely to accuse you of the same intellectual vices that you detect in them. You say that Oliver is gullible for believing his 9/11 conspiracy theory; he retorts that you are gullible for believing the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission. You say that he dismisses the official account of 9/11 because he is closed-minded; he accuses you of closed-mindedness for refusing to take conspiracy theories seriously. If we are often blind to our own intellectual vices then who are we to accuse Oliver of failing to realise that he believes his theories only because he is gullible?

These are all legitimate questions, but it’s important not to be too disconcerted by this attempt to turn the tables on you. True, no one is immune to self-ignorance. That doesn’t excuse Oliver. The fact is that his theory is no good, whereas there is every reason to believe that aircraft impacts did bring down the Twin Towers. Just because you believe the official account of what happened in 9/11 doesn’t make you gullible if there are good reasons to believe that account. Equally, being skeptical about the wilder claims of 9/11 conspiracy theorists doesn’t make you closed-minded if there are good reasons to be skeptical. Oliver is gullible because he believes things for which he has no good evidence, and he is closed-minded because he dismisses claims for which there is excellent evidence. It’s important not to fall into the trap of thinking that what counts as good evidence is a subjective matter. To say that Oliver lacks good evidence is to draw attention to the absence of eye-witness or forensic support for his theory about 9/11, and to the fact that his theory has been refuted by experts. Oliver might not accept any of this but that is, again, a reflection of his intellectual character.

Once you get past the idea that Oliver has somehow managed to turn the tables on you, there remains the problem of what to do about such people as him. If he is genuinely closed-minded then his mind will presumably be closed to the idea that he is closed-minded. Closed-mindedness is one of the toughest intellectual vices to tackle because it is in its nature to be concealed from those who have it. And even if you somehow get the Olivers of this world to acknowledge their own vices, that won’t necessarily make things any better. Tackling one’s intellectual vices requires more than self-knowledge. You also need to be motivated to do something about them, and actually be able to do something about them.

Should Oliver be condemned for his weaknesses? Philosophers like to think of virtues as having good motives and vices as having bad motives but Oliver’s motives needn’t be bad. He might have exactly the same motivation for knowledge as the intellectually virtuous person, yet be led astray by his gullibility and conspiracy mentality. So, both in respect of his motives and his responsibility for his intellectual vices, Oliver might not be strictly blameworthy. That doesn’t mean that nothing should be done about them or about him. If we care about the truth then we should care about equipping people with the intellectual means to arrive at the truth and avoid falsehood.

Education is the best way of doing that. Intellectual vices are only tendencies to think in certain ways, and tendencies can be countered. Our intellectual vices are balanced by our intellectual virtues, by intellectual character traits such as open-mindedness, curiosity and rigour. The intellectual character is a mixture of intellectual virtues and vices, and the aims of education should include cultivating intellectual virtues and curtailing intellectual vices. The philosopher Jason Baehr talks about ‘educating for intellectual virtues’, and that is in principle the best way to deal with people such as Oliver. A 2010 report to the University College London Council about the Abdulmutallab case came to a similar conclusion. It recommended the ‘development of academic training for students to encourage and equip them not only to think critically but to challenge unacceptable views’. The challenge is to work out how to do that.

What if Oliver is too far gone and can’t change his ways even if he wanted to? Like other bad habits, intellectual bad habits can be too deeply entrenched to change. This means living with their consequences. Trying to reason with people who are obstinately closed-minded, dogmatic or prejudiced is unlikely to be effective. The only remedy in such cases is to try to mitigate the harm their vices do to themselves and to others.

Meanwhile, those who have the gall to deliver homilies about other peoples’ intellectual vices – that includes me – need to accept that they too are likely very far from perfect. In this context, as in most others, a little bit of humility goes a long way. It’s one thing not to cave in to Oliver’s attempt to turn the tables on you, but he has a point at least to this extent: none of us can deny that intellectual vices of one sort or another are at play in at least some of our thinking. Being alive to this possibility is the mark of a healthy mind.

"if you only knew how bad it REALLY is"

i thought you said this was biological warfare, that this was 'the end'…..

but now, you're talking about taking it easy and enjoying old age tending to your chickens.

Q: what ever happened to your 'end of the world' biowarfare warnings?

Q: when are your chemtrails going to start kicking in?

Q: when does the 5G start killing everybody?

are you EVER going to address the fact thatnoneof your 'warnings' ever come true?

its been six months so far.

wouldn't you agree that this is the slowest, most inept, least effective, failed 'end of the world biowarfare attack' in history?

if only you knew how bad it really ISN'T

THE COMMON THREAD :

both killcen & kiss-it shared one commonality before they became delusional paranoid anarchanistic Boogaloo Boys:

they both voted for Trump

obviously, voting for The Illiterate Caveman is a clear indicator of one's propensity to fall for lunatic conspiracy theories, become paranoid, and an insane desire to wear Hawaiian Shirts.

ITT

Insane Tweaker talking to itself again, crying about "censorship", when that is all it does; along with all the leftist cancel culture hordes it supports with its diarrhea hate-speech and graffiti it leaves for others to clean up, so it can label them with childish names, hoping to whip up a presently non-existent mob into a frenzy of hatred, frustration and outrage, like the miasma of awfulnessitfeels all the time, whilst practicing the very kinds of activities it accuses others of participating in!

Pretty much,It Is the Only One Here!

(Just as it planned.)

Is it happy now that it is all alone, with nothing but a meth-pipe, a smartphone, an unhealthy obsession with an older man, and no plans for a future where it may have to fend for itself rather than rely on a government it hates, people it hates, and a country it not only hates, but works tirelessly to actively tear down whenever and wherever it is allowed to?

Naw, get used to it. Anybody who actually still wants to engage with the persona known as "Johnny Neptune" can. Most of the time I will not be one of them. I'll just ban and delete its hate-speech diarrhea, archiving it here: >>4373 for anyone who actually wants to witness it insanely talking to itself.

For anyone still confused…THIS IS NOT A PLACE YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES.

It is plainly stated in the FreedomZine Board Rules: >>1

>Because Freedom & Anonymity bring out the very best and the very worst in humans, >>>/freedomzine/ will enjoy as much freedom to edit your content as you enjoy in creating it, so put some thought in.

>Freedom definitely deserves more attentiveness from everyone.

>Obvious spam, or anything else detracting from freeze peach, etc… well, ya know…

>Everything is temporary!

Those who spread graffiti on walls that do not belong to them, expressing their desire to "burn it all down", saying how much they "hate humans", "hate this country" and "hate" pretty much everything, cannot expect actual humans, the kind who accept personal responsibility for creating their own world, to tolerate that kind of childish, yet dangerous, behavior.

This board owner will not. The "Johnny Neptune" persona is lucky it is allowed to sperg-out as much as it does or have its shit archived whatsoever!

>embed only as related as you want it to be…

https://invidio.us/watch?v=DWfb7xToLUQ

Saging because I choose to.

>>5116

I understand that just-kiss-it is SO excited about Kiesha Lance Bottoms, that he plans on celebrating the democratic inauguration by sharing used syringes again….

just like any respectable right-wing conservative would do.

>>5115

I sure hope just-kiss-it is able to start making money with fractal patterns and StackEdit markdown editing before November 3rd, or he might have no choice but to continue draining taxpayer dollars with his welfare benefits.

i suppose its understandable that hed celebrate with used syringes

Dear Mini-Major Bitchdick,

please be sure to fabricate a BELIEVABLE excuse for deleting my posts today

your previous excuses were flimsier than Philip Fairbanks Biceps

>>5115

do you find it telling that EVERY reference to 'deagel' n the internet has been typed by adults who can't spell simple one syllable words?

It appears that not knowing the difference between THERE and THEIR is a prerequisite for believing the transparently gay DEAGEL bullshit.

>>5116

I am TOTALLY KEDGE about your CAT'S PAW THEORIES.....

Archaic Terms From The 1800s:

Cat’s-Paw, or to Be Made a Cat's-Paw out Of

What It Meant: To be a dupe, to be used as a tool.

This colorful expression came from a fable, The Monkey and the Cat, where a monkey persuades a cat to pull chestnuts out of a fire, promising the cat its share. Spoiler alert: The cat doesn't get any. So to be used for someone else's gain is to be made a "cat's paw out of."

Kedge

What It Meant: Doing well

In you lived in a country town in Colonial-era New England and someone asked how you were doing, you might have replied, “I’m pretty kedge.” It’s a bizarre but wonderful term that essentially means in being in good health—but it also kind of sounds like something a teen in an ‘80s movie would say.

>>5124

Don't you dare get so CHUFFY with me, just because I can SCRANCH your theories with my eyes closed.

Chuffy

What It Meant: Surly or impolite

If someone is short with you, tell them they don’t have to be so chuffy. It’s a strange, old word with obscure origins, and one that sounds a bit softer than “jerk.”

Scranch

What It Meant: To crack something between your teeth

Though this apparently “vulgar” term sounds like it was named after what it sounds like to crack something with your teeth, it supposedly comes from the Dutch word, schransen.

>>5126

im very familiar with what youll find in between cities:

DIRT…….. Dirt that lives and walks on worthless Soil.

>>5126

Macaroni

What It Meant: Fancy

When Yankee Doodle called that feather hat “macaroni,” he wasn’t being a weirdo. Macaroni was a term used at the time to refer to a particular men’s fashion from England that was intentionally flashy, over-the-top, and androgynous.

>>5126

Fishy

What It Meant: Drunk

Possibly no one invented more ways to say “drunk” than colonial Americans. Benjamin Franklin alone compiled 200 ways to say it. Fishy was meant to also imply the way the drinker looked: “Bleary eyes and turned-down mouth corners make a drunk resemble a fish,” writes Richard M. Lederer, Jr. at American Heritage.

>>5126

Twistical

What It Meant: Unfair or immoral

This word—which according to 1848’s Dictionary of Americanisms was primarily used in New England—feels like it could just as easily have been invented today. Slip it into conversation in the next time you experience something unjust.

>>5135

re: blue wave

you must be talking about the 3 million votes?

yeah, not the biggest 'wave', but nevertheless THREE MILLION MORE PEOPLE voted for that old crazy bitch than voted for the illiterate caveman

>>5136

No, 'blue wave' was what you commies were screaming in 2018 about re-taking Congress by a landslide. You really just DO NOT pay attention apparently.

>>5138

So says who? The lying leftist corporate mainstream media propagandists of the USSA?

>>5137

lol…. NOW THIS SHITHOLE ISFINALLYBECOMING FUN

this is the way it should be

FINALLY THIS PLACE FEELS ALIVE

>>5137

>Mozilla VPN

Mozilla is in the pockets of Soros now, do not trust them anymore. Better to use Tor with a whole lot of about:config tweaks that disable third party crap like telemetry and vulnerabilities like WebRTC & WebGL. Also Epic Privacy Browser is better than Mozilla but beware it collects a lot of nefarious sqlite caches too which you may want to routinely purge from the directories.

>>5139

you never answered my question earlier….

are you planning on 'saving' your daughter by killing her before you put on your Hawaiian Shirt and Marauding?

>>5141

Soros this, Soros that….

that guy is like jesus, huh?

*sings*

"he's got the whole world… In his pocket… In his pocket… In his pocket… He's Got The Whole Wide World… In his pocket… He's got the whole world in his pocket"

>>5142

You clearly don't understand anything other than what the corporate media tells you to be afraid of. PS: preppers don't like marauders as marauders tend to target those that do prep.

>>5139

Q: have you mentioned your plan to your daughter yet?

perhaps she deserves to right to know she should get in the car and leave when you pull your hawaiian shirt out of the closet?

>>5144

……..at least be kind enough to sneak up from behind her……….

make it as fast and painless as possible

>>5143

https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/mozilla-joins-george-soross-efforts-launching-strike-fake-news/204845

A: no i wouldn't like to

>>5148

NOW YOU'RE TALKING !!!

lol finally !!!!

>>5148

okay, here's the truth: I HATE BIDEN!!! he's pathetic… No, i would never vote for him. However, the majority of americans will settle for ANYTHING other than trump…. Dont think for One Minute that a majority of americans want trump… Because they DON'T

and YES im fully aware your illiterate communist sympathizer is going to claim the votes were faked, insist the chinese meddled, and refuse to leave, followed by Barr's corrupt fake 'investigation' into chinese meddling that never happened, dragging it out for months until the CORRUPT REPUBLICAN SENATE says trump won

>>5148

THAT BEING SAID: you are well aware that trump is actually going to LOSE, and the only way he can stay in office will be by cheating and relying on the corruption of Barr & The Senate

>>5148

>>5150

>NOW YOU'RE TALKING !!!

I can do more than talk.

Steps to Create, Test and Deploy Ethereum Smart Contract

https://www.leewayhertz.com/ethereum-smart-contract-tutorial/

but knowing that the election is going to be 'stolen' through corrupt cheating, yet still supporting it, inherently makes you an ANTI-AMERICAN ANARCHIST, and quite literally a threat to society.

>>5154

just one problem:

your landlord and i share one common attribute

you're not going to pull your "i'm an imaginary Bitcoin millionaire" bullshit on us….

Neither of us accepts imaginary money… Make it cold hard cash and you've got a deal

(And OF COURSE when trump insists the votes were faked, that means you lost the bet)

>>5153

See?

Like I said. You losers know you're gonna lose, so all you can do is drum up outrage and hate, and spread stupid rumors, when it is obvious we'll have to hear from your side for another four years how Trump "stole" the election.Losers.

So, forget it. I see now that you will never accept the fact that you are a loser, and thatTrump Is STILL YOUR PRESIDENT.

And is very likely to be so for another 4 years.

I gotta go. Have better things to do with my time. You can't even get serious about the things that really matter. I can and will. Later…

>>5156

Funny. I've actually already been paying my rent in bitcoin for several years.

What you don't know about my landlord is A LOT.

>>5156

>Thinks fiat currency is not "imaginary money"

>>5155

>but knowing that the election is going to be 'stolen' through corrupt cheating, yet still supporting it, inherently makes you an ANTI-AMERICAN ANARCHIST, and quite literally a threat to society.

Are you talking about Biden's plans to steal this election, and how you support that?

>>5157

CORRECTION:

YOU know trumps going to need to resort to cheating and lying and using Barr and The Senate to play The Emperor's New Clothes months after he actually loses to the Democrats…

And that's exactly why you mentioned a Court decision in 2021

Because you're fully aware he's going to lose the popular vote, and the Electoral College is going to steamroll him….

ill bet you $2,000 CASH… RIGHT NOW

But it can't be imaginary money… And it can't be an imaginary victory…

If you could convert Bitcoin to cash in 2021, then you can certainly converted into cash today…

No REAL CASH, no bet

No REAL WIN, and you lose…..

This bet has nothing to do with William Barr's corruption or the corruption of the Republican Senators or their willingness to violate the United States Constitution and illegally keep him in office

It's a $2,000 cash bet that the Democrats are going to get more votes and win the election

I could tell you ive got $2,000 worth of 'magical invisible money' dispersed in a cloud of cigarette smoke…….

but you're not dumb enough to accept that

so your imaginary cryptocurrency means nothing

your landlord is a sucker.

Q: how do you convert each welfare disability checks into imaginary smoke?

and DON'T try to lie again, with your "i dont get disability" bullshit. Its just us in here

>>5160

I actually forgot was i was gonna tell you

Q: when you called The Social Security Administration, how did you tell them to convert your 'fiat' welfare checks into 'smoke'?

Because I remember you spinning out of control, yelling at me how much you hated me….

Simply because I told you when your 'fiat' welfare stimulus handout (thank the democrats for that $$) was going to be added to that months welfare disability check….

I gave you the link to the Treasury Department's 'fiat' 'IRS PORTAL'….

because we discussed the fact that you and i are both on welfare disability….

But you flipped out and began lashing out at me and nancy and your daughter

you already forgot that day?

Q: since you've already admitted that you're on a disability (just like me) and everybody knows they don't give you monthly benefits in imaginary bitcoin, (again: im not judging you, because im on welfare just like you) then why would you pay your landlord in imaginary cigarette smoke?

Yeah…… Im actually surprised that you've already forgotten that conversation back on April 26th 2020, when you and i were discussing how we are both surviving on disability benefits, and i was telling you how to go to the IRS Portal to see when your $1,200 handout money would be available, and the reason i told you was so you could fill out the form for your kids so theyd also each get $500, because you and i dont pay taxes on our disability benefits….

Trying to help you……

And you COMPLETELY FLIPPED OUT for no reason, lost control, and started yelling….

remember?……..

Thats the day you told me you had 'missed the deadline' to get the $500 for each daughter… Even though that wasn't correct… And i tried showing you that you still had time… But you were too busy playing 'the victim role', flipping out, and telling me that you hated me….

Remember?….. It was April 26th…. Ive still got the conversation saved….

Im amazed you dont remember…..

So, if you get your disability in 'fiat', why would you waste your landlord's time with imaginary cigarette smoke?

It was actually 4:54 PM EST on April 26th 2020 when you yelled "I HATE YOU!!"

after i tried to help you get $500 for each of your daughters

which was weird……………. real weird

an inappropriate unhinged angry response

So don't waste your time with your denials, or your repetitive "you dont know about me or my landlord" bullshit.

(im the guy from April 26th)

don't bother pretending…..

LOOK THESE HARDWORKING TAXPAYERS IN THE EYES ANDTHANK THEM FOR PAYING YOUR RENT & FOOD STAMPS

be a good boogaloo and make trump proud of you

THANK YOUR BENEFACTORS FOR THEIR HARD WORK

self righteous prick, thinking YOU deserve to have taxpayers wipe your lazy ass for you

ME?….. well i dont mind if the entire world knows im on Welfare Disability and EBT Food Stamps

im not trying to pretend that i have any right to look down my nose at blacks or mexicans or women (yes, you hate women too)

Here's how I see it….

I love animals… I talk about it all the time.

I talk about how much i love animals almost as much as you talk about freedom and liberty and how you hate black people because you think theyre a drain on the system.

but at least i have the integrity to back it up

I refuse to eat animals

If i was hungry, id rather starve than eat an animal

but you have no problem being a drain on society

you accept your freebie handouts every month

you accept your EBT Food Stamps

you accept your disability

you accepted your stimulus money

you accepted the extra 'emergency' EBT benefits

because, quite simply, youre a hypocrite

if you REALLY believed what you preached, you'd have the courage to refuse those benefits

you wouldve refused your stimulus welfare

you would cut your EBT Card in half

im also on disability, also receive food stamps, and also harbor resentment towards women due to unresolved anger issues with my mom when i was young. is there any chance i can jump in on this pro-trump overly judgemental racist hawaiian shirt thing, too?

>>5192

hey arent you the guy who tried to help me qualify for an extra $1,000 stimulus money?

>>5193

Yeah. That was me. How are you doing?

>>5194

I HATE YOU!!!!!

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!

An article from 2013….

http://archive.md/dP0g5

https://www.wnd.com/2013/02/feds-buying-enough-bullets-for-24-year-war/

What did they prepare for back in 2013? Could this have anything to do with current times?

>>5189

Bailouts won't last forever, we told you this since 2008 and no one paid attention. Bailouts do not last forever. Fiat currency does not last forever. Central banks cannot continue mass fraud forever. History proves so. USSA is a repeat of the USSR. It too, will collapse in the same manner.

>>5188

You better be taking that fiat paper money and spending it wisely is all I can say, and doing so in a manner with intention to become self-sufficient, able to live your life off-grid. Millions are going to die in the next 10 or so years. Survive!

>>5195

that seems a little bit inappropriate. all i did was try to help you get an extra $1,000. i don't understand why you lashed out about it. are you feeling okay? you seem unstable.

>>5198

The NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll has Biden beating Trump 60% to 35% among suburban voters.

Our early June CNN poll had Biden with a 14-point lead in the suburbs.

In the average of all the polls, Biden's ahead by more than 15 points with suburban voters. This is a historic margin, if it holds.

The fact that Biden is doing so well in the suburbs shouldn't be a surprise. The suburbs are a bellwether vote of sorts in our current political environment. That is,the suburban vote mirrors the national vote closer than the urban or rural vote.

>>5200

help me? you tried to help me get an extra $1,000 IN FIAT MONEY (that doesn't last forever!!!!!)

I HATE YOU!!!FUCK YOU!!! FREEDOM!!! LIBERTY!!!! FIAT FIAT FIAT!!! FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM!!! LIBERTY LIBERTY LIBERTY!!!!

>>5201

hold on a minute. that is a historically wide margin, and NPR/PBS is a non-partisan media outlet. according to their polls, the suburban vote mirrors the national vote more closely that the rural vote or the urban vote.

but the suburban vote shows trump losing by a wider margin than any other poll so far.

>>5202

wtf are you ranting about 'fiat'? you spent the $1,200 'fiat' money already, so your theories about it's temporary value are irrelevant.

you've got nothing to complain about. you accepted the $1,200 like a rat accepts a crumb of cheese.

>>5199

RE: millions are going to die in the next 10 years

thats ALWAYS the case. if you go back throughout history, during any given 10 year period, millions of people died.

but at your advanced age, theres a 98% chance youll die of natural causes during the next 10 years.

Q: are you going to kill your daughter before you put on your Hawaiian Shirt, or are you going to be wearing it when you kill her?

>>5204

I HATE YOU!!! I HATE YOU!! I TRIED APPLYING FOR THE EXTRA $1,000 IN FIAT MONEY BUT THE WEB PORTAL SAID I WAS TOO LATE TO QUALIFY!!! I HATE YOU!!! I HATE YOU!! FREEDOM THIS FREEDOM THAT!!! I HATE YOU !!! LIBERTY THIS LIBERTY THAT HATE YOU!!!!

>>>/newsplus/262531

>>>/newsplus/262702

>>5209

I HATE YOU !!!!

THAT WAS FIAT MONEY!!! TEMPORARY!!!

>>5211

TEMPORARY!!!FIAT!!!LIBERTY!!!FREEDOM!!!I HATE WOMEN!!!TEMPORARY FIAT MONEY!!I HATE YOU!!!

>>5215

aaahhhh i get it… so, you're quite literally lying to me and lying to yourself, pretending that you 'missed the deadline' simply so you canpretend that you have a reason to flip out and show that you are incapable of self control

got it…

Millions will die.

>>5216

I MISSED THE DEADLINE ON APRIL 26TH!!!!

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU !!!

FIAT THIS, FIAT THAT !!!

FREEDOM THIS FREEDOM THAT!!!

LIBERTY THIS LIBERTY THAT !!!

IM STILL DEALING WITH UNRESOLVED ANGER AT MY MOTHER SO I HATE WOMEN!!!

LIBERTY LIBERTY LIBERTY !!!

FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM !!!

FIAT THIS FIAT THAT

I MISSED THE DEADLINE!!! I HATE YOU!!!

>>5217

yes, millions WILL die….

just like always, since the beginning of time….

and millions will be born

>>5218

are you feeling okay, dude?…….

you seem extremely agitated and uncool

>>5217

Q: do you judge just-kiss-it for pretending that he's an elitist rightwing conservative who looks down his nose at 'societys lowlifes', while he sits on his ass collecting welfare disability benefits and eats off an EBT Food Stamp Card?

just because he's a huge hypocrite, you don't judge him, do you?

he lies and tries to keep his welfare ebt status a secret, because he's worried youll judge him

>>5221

I only judge the way people behave, not their economic status.

https://beechat.network/

What is beechat? Check it out:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/AVfqsLjYS9rS/

>>5222

i agree completely !!

he and i are both in the same boat. we are both old men with bad health problems, and we both ended up on welfare disability….

it happens to good people, the same way it happens to bad people.

the only difference between he and i is that he hates pelosi and democrats, when they are the ones who make sure he gets his monthly benefits.

He praises trump and republicans, when they are the ones who would cut his benefits off and he would starve and couldnt pay rent.

He hates blacks and mexicans because he says theyre lazy and they are a burden to taxpayers

But he is also a burden to taxpayers. While he plays around on the computer, fixating on completely irrelevant trivialities, hardworking american taxpayers are footing his bills.

Me?…. Im more than happy to admit my situation, and i am grateful to the liberals for supplying me with my monthly benefits.

I dont judge people for being broke…..

I simply refuse to ignore hypocritical stances

>>5222

Q: would you consider 'hating blacks because they are a drain on taxpayers' to be a behavior?

its kinda like an Irishman wearing a huge sombrero, asleep against the wall of a liquor store

complaining about how lazy mexicans are

>>5225

>He praises trump and republicans, when they are the ones who would cut his benefits off and he would starve and couldnt pay rent

Ironically it was Trump who pushed public bailouts for workers (although I'm sure he did it to appease his supporters as all politicians do).

>He hates blacks and mexicans because he says theyre lazy and they are a burden to taxpayers

I don't think JKI hates them, he hates the way they behave and the fact many of them bring more woes and burden to average citizens (which is a fact no matter how 'politically incorrect' it may be).

i admire him very very much…. I really do…

even after he COMPLETELY FLIPPED OUT (again) and LOST CONTROL (again) and told me that heHATES MEjust because i tried to put an extra $1,000 in his pocket, i still admired him.

but at that point, i began to notice the hypocrisy of someone on welfare who hates the democrats who gave it to him

>>5228

Mexicans are not lazy, the fact is there are too many here already and they're changing our culture and replacing us in every way (jobs, politics, food, music, etc). Many Mexicans actually hate negros too, that is also an ironic fact (not that it's a bad thing just not talked about). And for the leftie commie retards burning down those churches? Mexicans are hardcore Catholics so they are going to look at these commies as parasites too!

>>5229

actually, the stimulus package (welfare) was conceived and pushed by Pelosi and the House

Trump and the Senate had to chisel it down to size

Same deal with the 2nd stimulus package

The House completed their version of it in May

but once again, trump and his uptight republican assholes scoffed at it

I - who hate Soros and his deliberate destabilization agenda against Europe and America - am actually friends with a Mexican who knows a whole lot about what is going on, very smart hard working man. Not all Mexicans are bad people, but many coming through the borders are very bad (gangbangers, cartels, druggies and their dealers, welfare leeches, terrorists & commie subversives who engage in espionage and sedition, etc). Ironically a lot of good Mexicans know all about it and are shocked that there are commies who desire this for America.

>>5232

The House was adding things NOT related to the bailouts, that was the issue!!

>>5231

Then why does JKI hate them so much?

because they are a 'drain on the taxpayers', just like he and i both are?

and when you say 'negroes', arent you talking about JKI and Me, right?

Because we are a burden on taxpayers

>>5232

The House tried to pass all kinds of bullshit like "green new deal" crap and amnesty for illegals, etc. to that bailout. Republicans said "NO!" and rightfully so!

>>5234

lol sure whatever you say

>>5235

You guys are disabled and deserve to be on disability, I see nothing wrong with that. Unless you are committing fraud…

>>5233

>druggies, welfare leeches, terrorists & commie subversives

(you just described JKI to a T)

>>5238

I agree completely !!!!

yet ONE OF US hares the left (who are single-handedly responsible for supplying us with our $$)

and the OTHER ONE is grateful

>>5239

No, I think JKI is a reformed red. He has seen the error of his subversive ways and is trying his best to correct himself. I wish you would do the same, I know you could.

hares…… hates……

whatever

>>5241

>trying his best

so youre telling me he has refused to accept the monthly benefits?

Oh okay…. Well, that changes everything

at least he had the integrity to walk the walk

Because as long as somebody CONTINUES ACCEPTING BENEFITS, they have no right to look down their nos……………

uhhhh hold on a minute

he hasnt refused to accept the benefits

thats bullshit

ill be back later….

I have to go get my gold grill out of pawn

>>5243

As long as he is disabled he has a right to collect disability. Disability is not communism. Communism is a form of subversion: burning down architectures, brainwashing gullible people to hate one another, causing division and seeding hate, acts of sedition and treason from within, trying to bring down culture and wreck society, etc.

>>5239

>>5235

I see Johnny is still in here trying to define others and call them names, saying they are the hateful ones.

It's pathetic really; and everyone can see through these childish games that leftards play. Johnny is obviously filled with hatred and enjoys socialism. He hates America, humans and works actively to destroy anything anyone else wants to do. He is part of the "Cancel Culture", and his kind will destroy themselves far faster than any supposed "enemy" they can create in their own minds ever could.

Meanwhile…

>embed related

>>5246

he and i are fully capable of working. we are just lazy.

yes, we both have health issues… but if we can spend our days & nights goofing off online, we can get a job

we are simply both lazy niggers

>>5246

If i can spend my days trolling online, and he can spend his days frantically fretting over fractals, then he and I can just as easily get jobs as online customer service reps, or whatever..

But why should we?

its easier for us to take advantage of hardworking taxpayers

The only real difference is i dont bite the hand that feeds me

I dont badmouth the liberals who fight for my ability to get benefits

and i dont yell "I HATE YOU''' at people who try to help me get an extra $1,000 stimulus

Im actually grateful for my opportunity. im guessing the ungratefulness is just another facet of the denial

>>5250

>The only real difference is i dont bite the hand that feeds me

That's literally all you do.

You don't even know who feeds you.

>>5246

the hypocrisy is nauseating

Mini-Major Bitchdick, and his empty throne of freedom

>>5255

>the hypocrisy is nauseating

Yes, Johnny the hypocrisy of the Left is nauseating and so is yours.

No one will play with you.

>thinks anybody gives a fuck about George Floyd

distraction technique number 281

at least the ORIGINAL major burdock would've already deleted by now

Thank you for sharing such informative post.

https://mobisoftinfotech.com/resources/blog/telemedicine-for-mental-health/

>>5092

You assholes are scared that MILLIONS of people are finding out about you leftist psychopaths and the absolute criminality your politicians are engaged in every fucking day. Better be scared. There are millions of us, and we don't trust you anymore, we don't trust your criminal corrupt entities or monopolies or special interests or subversive institutions either!

America needs a hard split up! A hard divorce!!!

DEPITE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WATCHING LIFE-SAVING DOCTORS TELL THE TRUTH, ANTI-HEALTH PRO-VACCINE BIG TECH MONOPOLIES BAN VIDEO FEEDS!

Twitter continued to crack down on anyone sharing the viral video of a group of doctors touting hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as a Covid-19 “cure” Tuesday, removing a tweet containing a link to the video by Breitbart News and locking the outlet’s account.

“Footage of the livestream on Periscope, Twitter’s livestreaming platform, had generated 1 million views before being removed by the site.” Breitbart noted.

The outlet added that “Footage on Facebook had accumulated over 17 million views within 8 hours and had 185,000 concurrent viewers at the time it was streamed.”

“On YouTube, a clip from the event received 80,000 views before being removed by the platform for ‘violating YouTube’s Community Guidelines.'” the report added.

Breitbart then found that its Twitter account had been “limited” as a punishment for “violating the policy on spreading misleading an potentially harmful information related to COVID-19”:

That's right, they are now attacking DOCTORS who have cured coronavirus! Makes you wonder why they are pushing these toxic vaccines so hard….

SEE THE BANNED VIDEO MIRRORED HERE: https://www.bitchute.com/video/71W1O4TdJxo0/

AND MIRRORED HERE: http://brighteon.com/3571f9ae-ec43-4254-8a56-1a931c250888

http://archive.md/b33xy

https://www.infowars.com/twitter-censors-locks-breitbarts-account-over-pro-hcq-doctors-livestream/

The Wuhan biowarfare lab was actually funded by US taxpayers (thank the NIH for investing in Chink bioweapons like Covid-19)

http://archive.md/gK4i4 = naturalnews.com

http://archive.md/olHCK = dailymail.co.uk

http://archive.md/Snz0N = newsweek.com

http://archive.md/dN38X = infowars.com

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-12-nih-funded-wuhan-virus-lab-research-coronavirus.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211257/Wuhan-lab-performing-experiments-bats-coronavirus-caves.html

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

https://www.infowars.com/report-dr-fauci-backed-wuhan-lab-doing-crazy-coronavirus-research/

In fact, The US State Department was also tipped off back in 2018 and refused to do anything about it:

http://archive.md/oAN9A = zerohedge.com

http://archive.md/FWaWH = washingtonpost.com

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-state-department-cables-warned-potential-sars-pandemic-after-visiting-wuhan-lab

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

Funny how all the players involved, such as Dr. Fauci of the NIH, support ID 2020 ironically:

http://archive.md/JvD9g = zerohedge.com

http://archive.md/Y13B7 = washingtontimes.com

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/papers-please-fauci-agrees-gates-covid-immunity-card-idea-has-merit

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/8/anthony-fauci-sets-stage-mandatory-vaccine/

And we all know Gates is behind it already:

http://archive.md/g0cXA = nationalfile.com

http://archive.md/nMtmy = vigilantcitizen.com

http://archive.md/bnmrh = infowars.com

https://nationalfile.com/president-a man that many on the left have an abnormal obession with-vs-bill-gates-on-treatment-fauci-has-a-100-million-conflict-of-interest/

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/bill-gates-calls-for-a-digital-certificate-to-identify-who-is-vaccinated/

https://www.infowars.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-others-predicted-up-to-65-million-deaths-via-coronavirus-in-simulation-ran-3-months-ago/

Their official agenda website: https://id2020.org/alliance [http://archive.md/ZNRGI]

BUSTED: NIH Owns Financial Stake In Gates-Funded Coronavirus Vaccine:

http://archive.md/LdgQZ = nationalfile.com

https://nationalfile.com/busted-nih-owns-financial-stake-in-gates-funded-coronavirus-vaccine/

THE BILL AND MELINDA GATES FOUNDATION, THE WHO, AND WUHAN LAB WERE HACKED!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/CtYqFa5voFiq/

Here are some of the documents that were stolen during the hack: https://archive.is/slBtQ

https://web.archive.org/web/20200425163938/https://imgur.com/a/3dgCksD

Note we can clearly see in a couple pics they KNEW this was bio-engineered, with HIV RNA transmission sequences.

Wuhan Bioweapon Lab Email Passwords:

http://archive.md/1dxFa

WHO Email Passwords:

https://archive.md/JIJ2b

Gates Foundation Email Passwords:

https://archive.md/j6sgo

>>6426

1 + 1 + 1 = 3

The NIH under Fauci funded the virus 'research' at Wuhan, which "accidentally got out."

Bill Gates Foundation and MIT owned patents on the new vaccine. Fauci also working with Gates Foundation vaccine initiative.

Oh, imagine my shock, NIH bureaucrats stand to profit BILLIONS $$$ from corona vaccine!

>>6423

lol sure whatever you say

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