/erp/ - Erotic Roleplay

>>128239

>canon profile just links to a wiki page

https://www.f-list.net/c/muffet

>Hold onto name

>Have shitty profile

>Never RP

Subhuman scum.

>That 1 person who has tons of female canons across multiple accounts

>1 inline for each profile

>Mostly same Custom Kinks

>Never responds to anybody

>>128244

>across multiple accounts

You can report them for this, you know. Multiple accounts can't be used as an excuse since they upped the limit.

canons are a blessing and a curse

whenever I watch or play some new thing and get really into the mood to typefuck as/with some of the characters, I go look for some of the ones that interest me most but either the fandom's nearly dead on f-list with MAYBE 5 people hanging around, or they all suck major ass and make me not want to go through the effort of making a profile if that's all I'll have to play with

>>128239

how old is the profile? one of the first things I do when making a character is working on an inline and then when i've got a god idea for the rest of the profile bio I'll write it up, but that can take upwards to a week

in fact I just checked and one of my characters who's 3+ months old consists soely of an inline, 3 images and maybe a couple of custom kinks that I haven't yet given a description of

>>128246

What kind of canon profiles do you have?

Is it just me, or are canons sometimes a bit more difficult to work with? And I don't just mean in ERP.

>>128254

If you're a dedicated canon character, you have to make sure to play them and stick true to their character, or else you're a lame faceclaim.

Nothing turns me off more than a canon who is ooc as fuck and acts nothing like the character they play as.

>>128254

I have a feeling that most canon players (the ones who play popular characters, at least) have to deal with a bunch of people who try to shoe-horn characters into their pants, so they might be a bit weary and cautious to RP with randoms.

I love canon characters, but am always too nervous to approach since I don't really play 'em myself. I've always wanted to roleplay with a Peach, Zelda, Tharja, etc.

>>128254

You obviously need to know the character to know what's available for you to work with.

>>128250

I almost never play my canons with other canons, because it tends to go in a way I'm not interested in.

I just really want horny people who fantasize about said characters in the situations that I enjoy playing. (Of course, they are somewhat related to the kind of situations they live within the source material, sometimes extending the boundaries a bit for the sake of lewd, just making sure that you stay somewhat true to the character's personality)

>>128260

Care to share your profile? I've got a few canons I could play for you if we have enough in common.

>>128260

Half chin's /trash/erp threads main mode of operation is "anon fucks sum canon grill" so you may try there if you're insecure for flist.

>>128269

Ah, you probably wouldn't be interested. My main profile these days is a single dad in a modern, mundane world. I'd just be playing a version of him in one capacity or another.

>>128260

>>128275

Just go for it anon, some canon profile makes it clear if they are or aren't open to OC, or if they are canon restricted only and even in case of canon restricted then they might still be open to OC, if the oc fits the setting.

Idols with fans.

Chun Li with a fellow Interpol agent or finding love with a single dad as the case might be.

Silvaria rewarding a brave soldier repurposed to be imperial.

Team RWBY with a monster repurposed into a grimm.

Shipgirls with dockworker.

Anyone with fat faceless old men.

The world of most settings are larger than the cast who have speaking lines.

>>128290

I don't use F-List, but over the ages on the Fapbait threads here I've seen Touhou probably the most for a single series, with girls from various fighting games (Street Fighter, BlazBlue, etc.) collectively coming in second.

>>128290

In addition to Peach, Raven, and Ponies (I don't see lots of Undertale personally) I see tons of Samus, Tifa, and Resident Evil and Sonic are heavily represented as franchises.

>>128290

I see lots of Ahri.

Even if they are not canons, lots of people use Ahri for references. Lots of Pokemon "original characters" also use Hilda.

>>128298

People realized that the series stopped being funny when it stopped being a B Movie.

>>128314

IMO, it's easy to do justice to most canon. The least effort to play the character with the traits and personality that they show in their source material is already much better than the loads of profiles on F-List that are just generic slut with clearly no grasp over the character's personality with 50 pictures from the booru. The kind of shitter that posts ads like "I'm x canon, fill me with dicks."

What is wrong with this profile?

https://www.f-list.net/c/cartoon%20depravity

>>128384

Well, for starters it's a hub, so that makes it automatically shit.

>>128314

>>128304

Seriously, go for it and approach as if you would approach any other. Just treat it as an OC, where you both already know the character and setting before having read the character description. At worst you'll get a no and some canon character by their nature work well with certain OC.

>>128422

I'm getting bunches of good para rps without even an inline. Advertisement solely through talking in channels and showing myself to not be a total autist

>>128422

I guess I don't have much experience because I hardly approach people with barebones profiles.

>>128451

Well it's also a problem of finding a canon I want to fuck that isn't changed into a bitchbreaker shemale or even accepts furshit to begin with

I love the idea of a Peach or Zelda for an NTR oriented scene with Ganon or Bowser. Preferably long term, where we get to explore how the girls give in slowly over time. Stockholm Syndrome or romance, whatever works. Just so long as it's not "OH GOD YOUR BIG COCK IS SO GOOD" kinda stuff.

I've got a only a few canons under my belt, as I usually prefer to make my own characters, I will go and throw them down here because why the fuck not. I have been wanting to play them a lot more, so here is the chance I guess. At least before I toss them into the true shilling thread.

https://www.f-list.net/c/The%20Kaiju%20King Only ever seen a few other Big G profiles, but he's been plenty of fun to play as. I mean, who doesn't love playing as giant, or regular sized, monster?

https://www.f-list.net/c/light%20beast%20link/ And for the more traditional canon type characters, here we have a Link pupper, for all your knotting needs. Haven't done too much with him as of yet. Though I hope that changes here soon.

>>128631

Your wording makes me think of Peach cheating on Bowser with Ganon and Zelda doing the reverse.

>>128520

>furshit

I guess that goes back to having an OC that at least can reasonable be adapted to fit within the setting. or see if you can type-fuck the brain out of a partner and then segue into asking if they are up for portraying a canon character for the next time.

>>128673

I guess. I mean, I have some partners who would be cool with portraying canons for my amusement. But I'd prefer a dedicated. And it's not like furshit isn't short on canons, but finding one who doesn't delete/abandon the profile is like finding a needle in a hay stack.

>Really want to play with Kindred from LoL

>Only want Lamb

>All the profiles I like always have playing both as a must

>>128728

So you don't want to play with Kindred, then.

>>128727

>Play characters from Guilty Gear

>Get hit up by fucking spergs who try to talk about the game with me or play characters I'm not into

>As if their character choice doesn't kill my mood, they proceed to act knowledgeable of the game, eventually outing themselves as some fucking scrub who doesn't even know basic shit and thinks 'cheap things aren't fun or fair.'

Fuck. I guess it could be worse, though. I could be playing Street Fighter characters.

>>128784

>they don't even know how many frames a TK bad moon comes out in

>LaughingValle.jpg

>>128784

>I guess it could be worse, though. I could be playing Street Fighter characters.

it's hell

>>128246

Canons are more of a curse than a blessing IMO. I've had the worst time with canon players from my favorite fandoms or fandoms I was unsure about but made a canon after getting into it.

Most of the ones I can for sure say I'd not ever do again is Touhou, any big shonen anime/manga(Naruto, Bleach mostly), Black Butler(didn't like how players gave off a weird yaoi vibe), DC/Marvel, and maybe Pokemon. I tend to stay outta rooms about these fandoms even if I make a canon from it cause they're mostly circlejerks.

>>128801

>Black Butler(didn't like how players gave off a weird yaoi vibe)

You mean what the series is entirely about?

Oversexualized canons disgust me.

>>128784

dude you're telling me

>futa chun-li players

>any poison player

>most ryu players just want to fuck street fighter girls, have probably never touched a street fighter game

>juri bitch breakers

truly suffering

>>128907

I want to cry into your tits while you tell me it's gonna be okay

>>128907

>horizontally squished icon

reeeeee

>>128961

At least it's not right-aligned text.

>>128961

Yeah I've been lax in fixing my icon. Working on it between sessions of actual work.

>>128951

Juri players just aren't good overall.

>>129130

Tried a scene out with this player, and am glad to report that it was fantastic! If they ever post a profile, I highly recommend them!

>>129019

Tsundere Bowser sound comfy as fuck

>>128842

Amen.

>>129259

I have never ever gotten the appeal of Midna. I have seen a few teen/adult versions of her, but otherwise it's all incredibly unappealing shortstack. I don't get it.

>make a canon from an animu that the likes of 4chan refuse to talk about

>it's elfen lied

>lucy

>already expect like zero RP cause people universally dislike the series/character

>>129333

>male on shemale

Literally the worst.

>>129328

That's because you're shit and whine about people being "stuck up" for not wanting to interact with your characters and get mad when people don't talk to you in rooms. That doesn't make people want to play with you. You being bitter about literally everythint on a furry-fetish site doesn't make anyone want to play with you. It makes people want to avoid that.

You know, all that in addition to enjoying a shitty anime that people aren't going to want to play with :^)

>>129342

I see a huge fucking focus on guys, fuckboy.

Even then, that doesn't change anything about male on shemale being the absolute worst.

>>129328

Oh, it's you.

Yeah, you're nothing but a drama whore always bitching about everything. I don't know how people can stand you.

>>129398

The person who was bitching about getting no play is a mod of a private room called "The Canon Character Room" which is filled with some of the most annoying people and modstaff I've ever seen.

That person loves to look at other people's profiles and call them "elitist" if they don't want to roleplay with OCs or characters from other canons. In public rooms. Where people can see them. They also enjoy calling literally every canon room a clique because they generally only interact with people from their canons. Put that together with constantly complaining about literally anything, and constantly having their statuses set to something bitchy about either rooms or people they RP with:

https://fstatus.stormweyr.dk/c/Dat%20Avatar%20Korra

https://fstatus.stormweyr.dk/c/Mazaki-Anzu

And you've got yourself a recipe for the most annoying person on F-List, bar none.

>>129404

Oh yeah, this person right there was a total drama whore in the Danganronpa rooms until they got kicked. They loved to suddenly throw a bitchy tantrum about something completely unrelated, and jab at other users in public. Then they got all pissy when kicked and called the room a clique.

>>129369

Did something happen to you, anon? I hope you feel better soon.

>>129404

>>129408

Thanks for the heads up.

>>128409

Loneliness, AUs, backstory stuff in cases like Pris or his family if you wanna go full haram.

Note my Priscilla if anyone is interested. I also play 2hus and the new pokemon girls.

https://www.f-list.net/c/contained%20crossbreed

>>129442

I've attempted to, but they're just super awkward and hard to plan things out with, not in a socially awkward way, but in a malicious way.

>>129454

I honestly thought they'd be socially awkward. I thought this person was just the typical channel user / regular who never RP'd whatsoever.

>>129433

Where are the Pokeyman girls, though?

>>129404

>>129408

Speaking of mods in private rooms, specifically this one… How do you guys feel about Burasu Jazushinga? She/he seems to be the only decent mod in that channel. Retsu Unohana is the absolute worst mod of the bunch. Urameshi Yusuke sometimes can be a bit meh.

>>129259

What you looking for, anon?

>>129276

Same here.

>>129333

>reading the faves

>Mario

>Zelda

>Zelda

>Mario

>Mario

>Suddenly, Jojo

Alright, that's a dumb kink. Now I'm curious to know what kind of rps involving stands you've had.

>>129495

In the Pokemon rooms.

>>129495

Pokemon rooms mostly. If you mean where are the good ones…then I have no clue.

>>129695

That is true, sadly.

Hello, /erp/

Just posting my most recent canon and my most popular one for anyone interested.

https://www.f-list.net/c/holy%20maiden%20priere

https://www.f-list.net/c/idol%20nozomi%20toujou/

Other canon characters listed, but I don't get to play much with them/profile is lackluster.

>>129705

Agreed with this anon. For an OC she is a very decent and nice person OOC. I am not sure about her RP ability, though. Either way, I suggest her 100% to go to for OOC chatter and whatnot as I can't vouch for her RP skill (though she is ESL)

https://www.f-list.net/c/burasu%20jazushinga I mean, it's not much, but at least she filled out a decent profile. I am not sure about any of the other mod staff in that channel as far as OOC behavior goes or anything as I barely pay it any mind.

You guys think Yusuke's canon character room is bad, the Yu-Gi-Oh Duelist Academy room takes the cake and eats it.

The mods take the trading card game too seriously and it makes it not fun to even want to duel with them on YGOPro. I disagree with the person complaining about no RP. The room is not a clique as they've spoken to me plenty of times and I've been offered refresher help from a person who isn't a mod in PMs.

You can get kicked just for arguing over the game and giving your opinion about it, etc. It's a good room to lurk in and eat some popcorn.

What's the appeal of playing a playable character with 0 personality?

You know, like Link, Red, etc.

Literal self-inserts, they might as well just be OCs

>>129884

Comedy.

But I don't know how I'd fit that into ERP-

>>129884

Probably because people think those characters will hook them up with fresh canon puss.

Like when Blizzard revealed Tracer was gay and gave her a girlfriend in a comic, in which a small wave of profiles about her popped in. The character is literally an accessory without any sort of significance whatsoever, but the thirsty masses of F-List don't give a fuck about that because now they have an easy character to get in touch with the Tracer profiles. I thought that roleplaying as the generic harem protags was lame but those people impressed me a lot.

>>129918

Nothing worse than flavor of the week characters, abandoned after a couple weeks.

I admit I do make canon characters on newly released stuff. For example, I made Pokemon Sun/Moon characters when game came out, but I still play them and use them, even 4 months later.

>>130000

Flavor of the week characters annoy me like crazy. I think this is gonna happen with Persona 5

>>130005

Hmm it's already happening with Zelda. Bunch of Links and BotW Zeldas popping up left and right. I'll be wary when I finish BotW and hop on my characters.

>>129016

If I had to go with the Nintendo princesses and affiliates:

- Peach: Sweet and innocent in public, always looks for the best in people and tries to make Bowser less of a douche. In public she's surprisingly lewd and has a love for cute/enticing underwear and anal. A bit thick, with hefty thighs and a great ass.

- Daisy: Energetic tomboy that just keeps going all day long and is surprisingly strong for her figure. Likes to tease people in public and is surprisingly candid about sex. Is okay with taking charge in bed, but loves it when she's pinned down and fucked hard. Good all-round body with some nice muscle.

- Rosalina: Legs that start going and just don't stop. Very aloof and caring, but has little sex drive. Doesn't mind being called "mommy" in bed and outside of it, yet has no direct fetish for /ara/. Has very nice hips.

- Zelda: Very serious and dedicated to her duty. This takes quite the toll on her mentally, and as such she likes to relax by having her partner take good care of her by letting them fuck her brains out. Is into light bondage and doesn't mind being spanked, likes wrapping her arms and legs around her partner and is okay with wearing costumes. Has a fit, toned body with a firm ass.

- Samus: Doesn't take shit from anyone. Genetically engineered to be a badass warrior, subsequently had her DNA mixed with that of Metroids, Parasite X and was fucked up by Phazon. This has put her in a position where she's both aloof and distant as well as craves companionship and love. Is okay with both topping and bottoming, but be warned that she has some extreme sexual endurance. She can also stay down on a dick for much longer than is humanly possible. Has the elusive form of musclecurve: she's both very powerfully built yet at the same time has some amazing curves. Large breasts, a round ass and delicious thick thighs hat could pop your skull like a grape. But if you eat her out well she won't have to do that.

- Krystal: Has quite the temper and doesn't take no for an answer. If she does get one she'll do what she wants anyway. Is quite the, ahem, vixen in bed and can easily fuck her partners into submission. Likes to wear her tight flight suit during sex, and she's got quite the body. Don't be afraid to touch or pull fluffy tail: she likes that.

- Wii Fit Trainer: Has Yu Narukami levels of stoicism. Is obsessed with health and fitness and forces herself into a very strict training regimen to retain her perfect form. She's got a thing for muscle and both loves having her own muscles played with and touching those of others. Is rather touchy-feely at times to the point of being a serial molester, but she never actually intends to do that. Possibly. She can also perform positions that are impossible for most other people because of how flexible she is. Her training shows: she's got little fat on her body and through that only modest curves, but her abs are rock solid and has muscles like steel cables.

- Lucina: Very serious and honorable, trains herself to be the greatest swordswoman she can be. Despite being short she's quite strong and has the muscle to show for it. Is very insecure when it comes to matters of sex and is easily flustered. Has a rather flat chest but her ass is worthy of legend.

- Robin: Intelligent and skilled at combat, magic and strategy. Off the battlefield she's a massive nerd and likes being pampered. In bed however she's an absolute painslut and wants to be used hard, rough and fast. The twintails make it all the easier to serve as both handlebars for her head and for something easy to pull while having her ass pounded hard by a thick cock. Nice curves, and she's just too tall to count as a shortstack.

- Palutena: Semen demon and titty monster extraordinaire. Palutena loves sex and it shows. She's down to fuck most of the time and is willing to give just about anyone a try, but she quickly gets bored and moves on. Is easily aroused and is up for most fetishes one can think of. Because she's a goddess she's nigh indestructible (so come on with those extra large insertions) and can take just about any abuse you can throw at her; she won't mind you chocking her while forcing her to suck your dick. If anything she thinks it's hot: her favorite fetish is being manhandled, abused and degraded by mortals. Especially when she's being collared and forced into a position of servitude she's eager to call her owner "master/mistress" and loves being punished. She can be a bit lazy though and tends to not be very good at subbing like this: she's the kind of sub that demands punishment while not trying too hard to please her owner. She can also get rather attached to a mortal she likes and gets clingy. She's not one to cheat however, but the moment an owner lets her go she just shrugs and move on to the next hand that'll spank her. Is not as prone to molesting Pit as you'd think she is.

>>130233

I know, I see that. I bet they all leave in a week or two anyway and i'll be the only BotW Zelda left. Annoying as shit, but I at least stay on my names.

All this talk of princesses tempts me to be enough of a degenerate to make an OC dragon specifically for princess-capturing and bestiality kink

>>130284

Anything particular you would want to see in a dragon?

>>130287

My penis.

Question for everyone in the thread. How would you feel about someone with an unrelated profile offering to play as someone from your character's canon?

>>130355

if you mean Hub characters, they're trash.

Also I don't like people playing characters just so they play with me.

>>130355

I would love it so long as the relevant kinks and OOC information are communicated well on the profile. For instance, if I'm looking for something rather vanilla and you come to me with a profile that's filled out for nose hooks, snuff, and scat? I'm still probably gonna turn you down.

>>130355

Nah. I want my partners to play characters they enjoy playing.

>>130355

I dislike HUB profiles. I do not mind HUB profiles to host a list of canon/OCs a player has made on their account though.

I also don't want people to RP characters for me because they want to/have to. I want someone to make and play a canon they enjoy playing as.

I am wondering if anybody here has actually ever played with the "Plutia" prime name holder, and if they worth approaching for RP. I don't really like the Neptunia games, because it's not really something I can stand for hours on end. I love the characters mostly, and don't want to RP or make a Nep canon due to that reason.

Her statues of "going to sleep" and wanting fucked while doing so is kinda hot I will admit

>new popular game trailer reveals character names

>names taken within minutes

Every times

>>130535

I've played with that Plutia from time to time. Mostly in a pretty casual way starting the interaction through the Neptunia channel until they randomly PM me (I play a Neptunia canon as well, though. So I dunno how receptive they are with people who don't play canon.)

In my opinion, they do a good job at playing Plutia (Not like it's too difficult to get her right.)

Don't expect her to go all sadistic though, I haven't seen her going Iris Heart. At least it's not something that happens often, AFAIK.

>>129408

To be fair, the Dangit Ronpaul room kind of is a clique? The one managed by Celestia at least.

>>129512

They're nice but their character is a bit of a wreck, as is the obviously "hit up google translate for Japanese" name. But my opinion may be tarnished because they messaged my Rangiku name when their character is quite literally a trace & recolor/reclothe of her.

>>130804

lmao no. Not even close. Hell you don't even know what a clique is.

You know which rooms are a clique? The ones run by Komaeda/Genocider Shou

Learn what a damn clique is, my god. It doesn't mean a "room where people know each other"

>>130805

Shut up, Yuno.

>>130804

I really like Burasu, she has been the nicest person to talk to OOC and usually responds. I don't mind the profile much, but I have noticed the increased bitching about no play from her in her statues.

>>130805

I think most canon fandoms on F-List have their fair share of actual unfriendly/unwelcoming people who make it insufferable to be there.

>>130865

>but I have noticed the increased bitching about no play from her in her statues.

Original characters for canon settings tend to get shit on really hard on f-list. It doesn't help when you're kinda established as a reskinned/traced version of an actual canon. But in my experience it's less that and more the cult mentality of "OCs are shit go back to deviantart hurhurhur" even if the character is well thought out, "lore" compliant and played by an actual decent player.

>>130940

F-List is just a strange place in general. I honestly wish another ERP site would pop up and compete against the site. I am fine with Burasu as a person, but am unsure of her ability as a roleplayer/writer. I just know she's a good person out of character.

>>130950

Litphoria exists. But it has about as many active users as this board does.

>Play minor Naruto character

>Only ever get tagged by post-canon Narutos who want to build harems via "Clan Restoration Acts"

>>130950

F-List is merely a symptom of the problem, and not the problem itself. The things that happen on F-List used to happen on Tapestries, on Shangrila, on SPR, on Naughty Muffin, name it.

The plain fact of the matter is that the average stereotypical ERPer is a person who "doesn't get out much", and I mince my words. Pick a random player in the stack and the chances are high you'll get a loner who is jobless, financially dependent, and afflicted with a slew of very serious and very severe mental disorders. In fact, most people you talk to on a daily basis are just plain full-on batshit insane.

The result is that most of the people you talk to for your daily dose of typefuck have absolutely no clue on how to behave themselves in society. And among the few who do, a large portion of them willfully disregard these rules and opt to play a numbers game by messaging literally every profile they come across with "hi".

You can't police this bullshit unless you're willing to give up your mental sanity in the process. Making a new ERP environment won't change a thing. The most it will accomplish will be to either create a hostile clique, or the whole playerbase will move there but the problems will remain.

If you want to have a good time, you need to be as cold, brutal, and ruthless as the shitters. If somebody approaches you and you can't figure out why they'd message you, stay silent. If somebody's too much of an asshole, block 'em. If somebody becomes too clingy, block 'em. Don't talk to 'em, don't try to reason with them, don't do anything with them: chances are high you'll instead be on the receiving end of an emotional meltdown, and ain't nobody got time for that. Block 'em and leave 'em to go become somebody else's problem. Avoid people who do status/profile play, who vaguebook, and who mod a room catered to their fetishes (or sometimes to their worshipment as a god/goddess). These people are literally cancer and almost always complain about drama without realizing they are a drama power plant themselves.

Honestly, F-List is a remorseless jungle and you should pull no punches. Your aim is to look like a goody two-shoes and at the same time mercilessly cast away anyone who doesn't suit your fancy.

>>130997

you're a bad person

>>130807

>tfw never played a canon before

>Mavis is a qt

>Really wanna make a Mavis profile now

>>131000

Yes, do it!

>>130865

It just annoys me that people spout the word "clique" without even knowing what it means.

Canon room for x series characters where regulars know each other = not a clique

Canon room for x series for me and my friends to hang out = clique

>>130997

Who hurt you, anon?

https://www.f-list.net/c/miles%20prower/

There's actually plenty of diamonds in the rough out there if you like Sonic canons. It's hell to wade through, sure, but sometimes there's good ones. I'm trying to play Tails here as a little more mature than he's portrayed, a real techy and a nerd for engineering, but not a bumbling shy idiot.

I like Bigdad and I like Bigdad's Rouge. It's pretty fucking obvious.

why are there barely any female inklings who do feet stuff on f-list

just kill me

>>130997

>am jobless

>am financially dependent

>have a slew of serious mental problems

>know how to exist socially and not act like a shitter

So what's their fucking excuse?

>>131306

Made chars from shitty anime series before, and used them only to really expect zero approaches or people willing to accept them.

>>131306

post it anon

Why are all the people who play characters from Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid such shitters?

>>131482

Flavor of the month shitters.

>>131482

I can garuntee you that all those profiles will be abandoned whenever the anime stops airing. It's very flavor of the month, same thing happened to New Game when it was airing.

>>131490

Pretty much to what I am understanding.

>>131492

Sad, but true. :/

>>131306

>when you make characters from a shitty game and are afraid other people from that shitty game will use their characters on you

>>131548

Because you want the one person who will make your dreams come true. Slog through the shit until you get the one godlike RP and it's all worth it.

Then that person drops off the face of the earth and you repeat the process.

>>131546

Bea a cute

>>131306

Is that game in question "Night in the Woods", or did you just use that picture as a reaction image?

>>131596

I kinda like that game. Maybe I just have shit tastes, I don't fucking know. At any rate, I'm might be mildly interested in a roleplay

>>128422

https://www.f-list.net/c/Cumslut%20Peach

Is it this one?

>>131834

what the fuck is that shit.

>>131837

A shemale Zoro

I wanted to make one of Jill from VA-11 HALL-A, and I see a few already after a quick search, but has anyone ever seen any of them active?

>>131846

I have one that I play on request or when I get a note. It's been a while.

Any love for the girls of Stardew Valley? I'm sure at least a few are popular, right?

Anyone happen to know of any busty canon women that would be into straight shota scenes?

I mean the character herself, no looking for a profile or anything of one that exists. /ss/ is pretty much my favorite thing to write and I also mostly stick to canon women, but lately it's been feeling like a bit of a stretch to realistically fit them into those scenes.

>>132063

Camilla of Fire Emblem: Fates fame is one for certain as well.

>>132066

Oh for sure. Camilla is a character I went on a tear with the moment I played through the Nohr story in Fire Emblem.

Hit the incest kink more than any shota type scenes though. Maybe it's time to dust her off.

>>131846

Had one, but deleted her. No interest from anybody whatsoever so deleted.

>>131884

Never seen any on F-List, but I love Haley and Abigail the most.

>>132063

There's Lucoa from the new Dragon Maid anime who's clearly thirsting over the shota dick, she's flavor of the week right now if that's a dealbreaker for you.

>>132063

If you want to avoid currently-airing stuff like Lucoa I'd go with Galko.

>>132082

Haley and Abigail are definitely the most popular, but I've been a sucker for Penny and Leah personally.

>>132304

I don't mind playing crossovers and OCs but haven't seen much interest in my Jill in a while. Maybe if I actually put stuff on the profile that wouldn't be the case.

>>131599

What is so shitty about Night in the Woods? I've seen a few canons from it

>>132704

Persona is less FOTMy due to the fact that its constantly getting more spin offs and shows, so its always in the limelight somehow.

The fanbase is also huge, so to no surprise every single name was taken within moments, and a lot of the prime names are completely misinterpreting the character, or are totally blank and engaged in circlejerks. Anne is cute though.

>>132774

I still see a Naoto or Rise posting ads every once in a while, I think as far as FOTM goes, Persona probably has enough staying power to justify making a profile.

I'd also love to play with a Ryuji canon. Don't know his personality either, but he seems like such an adorable doofus.

>>132845

When in doubt, chubby is best.

>>132487

People mostly complain about the fact that it's veeeeery story heavy to the point of sacrificing gameplay/level variety (platforming is great, but not when you're running back and forth through all the same areas). More prominently is the tumblr boogeyman from its simple art, animal characters, and LGBT stuff; people thought it'd blow up like Undertale, basically, when in reality it's stayed relatively lowkey. Most haven't heard of it and those who have are scared of liking something The SJWs do, and I bet it bites for NitW profiles.

>>132911

>decide to make an obscure canon that you never see in chat

>name was taken a week ago

>>132916

I feel like it doesn't fall into the same trap as Undertale because NitW characters have any degree of actual depth, plus the setting is something people can empathize with a lot more readily.

>>132963

In this case at least the prime profile looks ic and reasonably well-developed. I feel like in a movie when they say "you better take good care of her"

>make obscure canon specifically to play with another obscure canon

>have only contacted two people with this character: said obscure canon and a mod I messaged to request the prime name

>Bookmarks: 3

that's slightly odd

>>132921

The only bad thing I've heard about NitW is what the last third of the game becomes, and that the art style isn't something that you can particularly sexualize.

I mean you can, but I wouldn't.

>>132774

S'why I said I am gonna avoid making her, or at least stay out of Persona related channels. The big reason you see people misinterpreting the P5 canons is because it's not even out in English yet. I don't pay attention to the community of any canon fandom on f-list at all.

I have no problem making her and just GTFOing out of Persona related channels to be honest. I have no desire to approach others in the rooms due to the circlejerking and unfriendliness of some of the users.

I've always gotten a weird unwelcoming vibe from going in some of the specific fandom channels.

>>132776

Yeah, I see her ads sometimes too.

test

>>132304

Yeah, I look at profiles like yours and think I really don't NEED to make a Jill, since that's pretty much perfect right there.

The main thing I had in mind was that I was going to basically hang around in rooms or open up my PMs to people who either want to sound off or ask for advice. Like, y'know, a bartender. But I'm not so sure if that would work well, people seem to hate approaching for RPs as it is, never mind less-lewd stuff like that.

…Though I do still want to find an Alma and fuck the hetero out of her.

> find a canon character very lewdly appealing to play

> but do not really care for exact canon play because I don't actually know the canon much

> check prime name to compare with

Suddenly it's empty and now I'm not sure if I want to claim it.

>>133519

Not that anon, but I love that idea. I've had something similar before with advice giving in the form of tarot reading when I used to rp in a different platform, and while the option is still there, it doesn't mesh well with the usual meet and fuck stuff that I have going, so I just randomly bring it up with friends as a semi-ic interaction when we're just talking ooc stuff.

>>133519

My Jill was kinda gonna be 'that bartender chick', but then decided meh. I had a few people interested, but they never seemed to be committed to actually following through with RPing with her even if though it wasn't 'that bartender chick' play with those few.

>>132774

I have seen the canons of Persona 5 on F-chat waay before the American release, so yeaaah. Not sure of the channels or how they are with RPing or if it's just OOC bantering. Ann is the only girl I seen to want to make so far, tbh.

And also

>expecting canons on f-list to ever play a canon to the letter

>>133555

I have a prime who I play as close to canon as possible even though it's prevented me from ever ERPing on her.

>>133681

Ah yes, Persona 5 is now flavor of the month.

>>133689

I don't even intend to play it. I just want to fuck the cat.

>>133681

Morgana is a cute, so approve of Morgana profiles

>>133689

Far from it, honestly. I've seen many of the prime names around way before it came to America. A lot of new ones cropped up and are the true FOTM profiles. It'll be a shame when everybody forgets about the game in a week or two.

I also suggest people go into the "Persona Series" private channel for some Persona discussion/fun/maybe RP.

The modstaff are alright and I can say I know the owner gives a fuck about the channel.

Sadly like any fandom and such on F-List there's going to be assholes and people who are a bit on the "cliquey side".

>>133681

I want to fugg that kuro-chan

>>133681

there's all kinds of Morgana profiles now.

>>134973

Overwatch

>>134973

Danganronpa

postan

https://www.f-list.net/c/teenage%20karateka

>>135009

It's nice and all but what are you even into? Your kinks don't tell.

>>135010

That's a really good point, and I should probably do that! Probably should've done that a while ago.

>>135165

>tfw you forget the link https://www.f-list.net/c/the%20sixth%20son/

Are there many Persona 5 players of better than dubious quality? Think I can land some cute guys and girls with a genderswapped protagonist? I'm finally almost done with the fucking game so I can stop worrying about spoilers.

>>135374

I would, but I'm still working my way through the game.

>>135684

Please do it. We need a good one.

>>135684

Do it for bestgirl.

>>135704

Mine had an inline and a half-done kinklist and somehow a 20% bookmark rate.

I just wanted P5 players that aren't completely egocentric.

Most seem like they're trying to make up for their lack of self-confidence by vicariously living on the net as a pretty anime girl.

>>135684

There could never be enough Dr. Takemis operating back alley clinics, specializing in drugging and milking virile high school students to further her research.

>>135754

It does not help most RPers I have ran into are either too busy playing the game to RP, or just don't want to RP with a character til they see all their s-links, etc.

>>135755

I've only seen one speak ever: https://www.f-list.net/c/Trusted%20Nurse%20Tae

Questionable as I have not RP'd with this person myself.

>>135756

Does that second inline say "student countil president by day"?

>>135761

Yeah gonna fix it eventually (tm)

>>135756

>Makoto

>pantyhose

>footplay

I really need to make up a profile.

>>135758

That particular Tae is pretty shit.

>>135808

I don't know anything about her OOC, but her RP seems pretty bad. Also, I know it's autistic and shit but I hate her name. Tae is a fucking doctor and nobody trusts her.

>>135752

I think I'm actually scared of stepping into the Persona 5 rping scene… but I really want to see more futaba love going 'round.

>>135887

It's rather bad. Stay in PMs.

>>135887

Sorry, gonna have to second >>135892 as well. The scene isn't as great as expected. Stick to PMs for it, and avoid the rooms.

>>135896

>>135887 here- well shit. I'd rather just do an irc rp if I'm gonna do PMs instead… at well, what to do.

>>135897

Just avoid the Persona rooms.

F-list is fine, you can find decent roleplayers outside the room.

>>135906

Alright, I'll give it a shot- I'm gguy123#7560.

>>135901

Shit, anon. That's fucking hot.

https://www.f-list.net/c/emoji

Took me 10,000 hours in paint to make that inline.

>>135926

Who's Lyra?

>>135927

Just some anon from here, I thought it might've been you because whenever I posted an ad of one of my characters here, and they had Foot Play on the fav's, the anon would always bookmark me. Sort of a joke bout how /erp/ doesn't have that many people into the fetish, despite how common it is in real life.

>>135923

That's quite a few of my fetishes rolled into one bundle. Despite how spineless and undeserving of Asuka he may be, Shinji wouldn't have the slightest clue as to how lucky he is to garner that much attention from her, even if his primary crush remains Misato. There would be much half-hearted whimpering and disingenuous protests each time he is pulled or lured away from items belonging to Asuka's "competitors" – although I'd like to think that none of them is especially pleased happy to find their clothes soiled so – and forced to indulge in her delicates instead. The training would be an arduous process, and by Shinji's nature he might take one step forward and two steps back, lasting more than a minute under gentle but vigorous trampling one week, and then prematurely ejaculating just from sniffing Asuka's lace-fringed bobbysocks the next.

>>135945

>thick and uncut

I can see why something like that would make both Misato and Asuka tolerate Shinji's antics, especially if his physiology is such that he secretes heavily even from something as relatively mild as catching one of them wriggling her toes. Nevermind the condition in which his roommates' delicates find their way into the hamper; Shinji's white briefs would be invariably encrusted and pungent with his musk by the time he peels them off at the end of the day. They would want to tease him at all hours of the day, just to see his blushing mushroom cap pop out of his foreskin when they succeed in seducing him. What would catching Misato fumbling with an even more clueless Shinji make Asuka want to do, I wonder?

Forcing Shinji to dress in her own or the clothes belonging to Misato and Rei sounds pretty kinky – and I love it. It would feel incredibly naughty for him to slide a pair of Misato's stolen panties over his crotch, knowing the insults that would come his way should she ever find out, especially with Asuka whispering the possible consequences in his ear all through their shopping trip.

>>135947

>What would catching Misato fumbling with an even more clueless Shinji make Asuka want to do, I wonder?

I'd consider Misato's teasing with Shinji to be rather mild like the anime showed while sober/tipsy. Even then, something as little as Misato losing her pants and Shinji eyeing her ass in her underwear would be enough that Asuka would invariably go with just panties as her bottoms many times around the apartment, preferrably while Misato's away or asleep. Any drunken fumbling on Shinji on Misato's part would lead to displays of dominance like bite marks, hickeys, or groping Shinji's butt or more in the vicinity of another drinking Misato moment. Poor boy's going to need some pleasing to make up for the two-sided tease escalation. Lord help Shinji if they ever team up, four feet vying for control, thighjobs, globs of sperm flying, and possibly some curious girl-on-girl kissing and more keeping Shinji from softening up. That or Asuka experimenting with Rei while Shinji's on toe-sucking duty (in Asuka's defense, she needed a place to play with Shinji away from Misato and Rei is practically a blue-haired potted plant that knows not to kiss and tell).

>>135948

>thighjobs

You might as well throw Ritsuko in there and finish off what's left of Shinji, she of the skirt and pantyhose, after he's been fought over like a piece of meat by two pairs of sexy feet, each one by itself enough to set him off with just a bit of vigorous rubbing. Speaking of potted plants, I suddenly have this idea of Asuka manipulating Rei's legs and feet to smother or trample Shinji. Sandwiching Shinji's teenage erection with Rei's insteps and stroking him with them.

I also really wouldn't mind if that duo saw fit to wear strap-ons, either…

>>135950

I'm now imagining Asuka with a strap-on drilling Shinji from behind as he sucks on the strap-on Rei has as the quieter girl merely sits and strokes Shinji's hair.

Also, Ritsuko would save the Pilot playing to one-on-one physicals, Shinji, Asuka, and even Rei included.

>>135953

Ritsuko would weigh each condom load of samples she'd rub out, finding better results when her hose and heels are used. The thing is, she might use a little bit of hypnosis therapy on the Pilots so they don't recall the special testing consciously. It's even possible the Pilots have gotten farther intimately with the doctor than they'd realize.

>>135954

I bet all those weekly sessions, where she takes advantage of Shinji every time, making him lie down on the ground to stimulate his sperm production with a thorough heeljob before mounting and forcing him to ejaculate inside a condom, are partly responsible for Shinji's filthy obsessions. He might not remember the sessions consciously, but beneath the surface he is in a world where he is NERV's resident boytoy.

>>135956

Why do you think Asuka also shares some latent bi-curiousity?

>>135958

To think, she doesn't even have to hypnotize Rei, whereas some of Asuka's control issues might be as a result of the depraved things Ritsuko makes her do sometimes, like licking the floor in her office where the soles of her heels have touched.

Take it to a fucking rp already and stop spamming the thread.

>>135897

>>135904

The rooms do kinda suck, and as far as I can tell there's only one active one, but there are some decent players in there lurking or otherwise. I've had a lot of luck starting things in PMs with a few good folks there, and have even done a couple of nonsexual scenes in the room itself with a surprisingly fun Morgana. It's not ALL bad, but you do have to treat a lot of it like white noise.

>>135967

Who do you play? I've been looking for decent non-sexual players myself.

>>135968

Girl-Joker and best girl Hifumi

>>135971

Akiko?

>>135974

Sup fam

>>135976

Hiyo. It's Makoto.

>>135967

I wish there'd be more Persona themed channels besides that one. I like the rules and all, but I feel it's kind of ridiculous to enforce what people use F-List for. Some wanna chat around, game around, and/or shitpost.

Finding decent non smut play or smut play in there via PMs is fine and dandy by me. My experience with the active players in there have been positive, but never approach any of the active room goers for PM RP, or even partake in room play.

I find the modstaff of said room to be pretty decent

thanks fuckers, now I'm watching Evangelion instead of typefucking

>>136023

you wouldn't get any quality partners anyway :^)

to be quite honest I've found the Persona RP community way nicer than other RP communities I have been a part of on F-List. People actually seem to care about everybody. The only thing is I've noticed when OOCing/RPing anybody from Persona 3 and/or 4 they tend to ignore that person unless they are popular within the channel already.

I feel as if it can be a bit….cliquey at times, but not to the point where it's intolerable or anything. Some people have their favorites and such, and so be it.

>>136055

Understandable because P5 is the hotness right now, but tonight alone I saw at least three P3/4 characters successfully join in on the casual room play. I don't think it's quite as bad as you say.

Cliquiness is probably not something you can stop in a room of that size. It only takes a group of about eight people before people start forming subgroups, and subgroups tend to look exclusionary to the people who aren't in them. But tonight I saw a Nanako I didn't recognize get some pretty good play in, so I don't think it's so bad as you think.

>>136075

And also at least SMT/Persona isn't very flavor of the month since many stick around and the game's been out for almost a month next week. I feel SMT/Persona isn't near as flavor of the month as other shit on F-List is. This is why I stopped making anime/manga, and sometimes even video game characters unless the thing has been out for a few months or so. That way it's easier to know who is gonna bail and just hop to the next FOTM.

No, you can't, sadly. Cliques are always going to be an issue, and I honestly don't really care about them. It is annoying, yes. I never said it is bad, just that it FELT that way.

>I saw a Nanako I didn't recognize get some pretty good play in, so I don't think it's so bad as you think

I'm so goddamn jealous. My Nanako never EVER got any good play be it in PMs or room play. I was considering remaking her…but I'unno.. I don't wanna deal with that same shit happening again.

b https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXTmAkJKikI

>just now getting back to playing Zelda BotW

>RP scene is dead already

Ah the curse of flavor of the month.

>>136304

What you thinking of doing for it, Anon?

>>136304

My Zelda wasn't getting play anyway after like the first day or two so that's why I quit it.

>>136447

>after like the first day or two

Duh, everyone was still playing the game, and a lot of people don't really get into playing after beating it.

>>136304

Well, everybody just about finished Breath of the Wild at this point. And since the game's focus is on exploration going through it a second time has a return of investment that's quite a bit lower than the effort you put into going through on the first time.

>>136473

Same here. I've wanted to RP with a good/decent Makoto for a loong time. This is a big problem with almost anybody who actually seems like they'd be worth a damn RP wise.

I don't even care for the ERP part, just a story-focused play without smut is fine by me. Not that I'd be against ERP or anything…

>>136462

>>136478

The RP was gonna be shit anyway. I don't blame them for quitting so soon.

>>136489

>>136473

Note me, maybe!

I'm usually online around 18:00 to 00:00 SGT, but if time permits, I can go on a bit earlier or later.

>seeing a few new Persona channels

I am liking this a lot more now than just one being around.

>>135675

>tfw wanna play with wife-who in cute ways

>tfw everyone plays her as a turbolewd slut despite her being chaste as fuck

>>136745

oh boy, fandom crumbling already?

>>136757

Well, to be fair it's all different settings. It's not the Dangan Ronpa case at all to me anyway. Then again, I got the fuck out of the Dangan Ronpa fandom while I could.

>>136765

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Elaborate?

>>136775

I wouldn't have a problem playing cute stuff as someone's waifu if that waifu is one of the characters I play. But I know that they wouldn't even talk to me because I'm a monster who defiles the image of their waifu.

I'm sorry the profile's disgusting. It was thrown together in like an forty minutes when I first made it.

https://www.f-list.net/c/tainaka%20ritsu/

>>136788

well, what characters do you play

I see a few OCs have been in the persona rooms recently. I just warn you to have VERY low expectations for any kind of play. I have made canon specific OCs before on F-List and other offsite places, it is always a very meh experience. I have gotten more play on RP forums with SMT/Persona with an OC than F-List…and this was back when 3-4 were new.

Stick to an original character without being in a canon setting, and it usually raises the bar up for play….at least IMO.

>>136845

Typical generic canon prime name profile filled with inline images and 0 substance, Not even any kinks either. You've had that name for 11 months and done nothing with it.

>>137036

Get over it. People who are going to want to play with canon characters already know all they need to know about those characters. There's no point in writing anything out.

>>137056

What a lazy half assed excuse. Whatever helps you sleep at night with shitty profiles.

>>137056

That doesn't let them know what kind of shit you're into though.

Not like it matters to me, though. From looks all you really just want to play is romance with whoever still plays a Mio in 2017.

I've been wanting to do an RP with Farah from LOQO for fucking ages. All I want is a simple RP including breeding, romance and maybe some plot with sci-fi. It's surprisingly difficult to find either of those.

Though that may be because I want to play a human male…

>>137068

It's definitely the breeding + romance stuff.

>>137094

I'd imagine it's more the sci-fi and human male. Breeding would probably work fine and maybe a bit of romance.

>>137095

It's actually kind of a perfect storm of all of them coming together (minus breeding, which is pretty hit or miss either way). Straight human males are *immensely* unpopular. Like, to the point it's kind of insane. Then romance, which is already really unpopular, is even *less* popular than normal when a straight human male is involved. Then beyond that, sci-fi is kinda niche. Put all of that together and you've got a cocktail for "Good Fucking Luck".

>>137097

Weirdly enough, the times that I do manage to blend all three together, the results tend to be fucking fantastic. I found one of my favourite (now sadly dead) RPs as a result!

That being said, I've never had a problem playing in fantasy. I like to try to be flexible. But my luck isn't as bad as you'd think.

>>137121

I'm actually the one who posted the Ritsu profile, and I understand your frustration! I'm well aware the profile's pretty horrible I just like posting things for attention because I'm garbage

I have a not very good reason, though! I was sitting on the name thinking of how to do up something not horrible, and a Mio messaged my empty profile. One who wasn't complete and total garbage, too. RIP her, I don't know where she's gone. It was the owner of Akiyama Mio from until a couple months ago when she let the profile go. So I threw the trashfire together in like, thirty or forty minutes to seem presentable to respond to said note.

You're absolutely right about the profile, though. >>137056 While I understand that sentiment, it's not a good excuse to have a shit profile, and I think it's the opposite. If you're playing something from a relatively popular canon, you NEED to have a good looking profile to set yourself apart from all the other people in your canon. If your profile's nice enough, you can get people making profiles for you.

>>137123

I didn't mean to be mean anon, I'm glad you understand at least. I'm just tired of all of these names not being used for anything, because its a canvas for you to demonstrate your writing ability to interested parties. An inline image and a title doesn't really tell anyone anything, and I don't know about anyone else, but I use how a profile reads as a demonstration of their ability, and considering how many characters there are of certain canons, its how you sift through the blank profiles and wiki pasted shitters to the people who are both good writers, and passionate for their canon to make good play.

>>137128

I understand, and I'm sorry I put you through that trauma!

Been kicking around the idea for a shemale Urbosa for a while now, among a few other canons, but for some reason I feel as if I won't be true enough to the characters and that makes me hesitate on making them.

And I'm sure shemale Urbosa is overdone as hell but I want to stick it in Gerudo Link's boypussy and maybe impregnate Zelda or Riju.

>>137128

Aside from the fact I actually have RP'd with good wiki pasters, I agree.

>>137159

It's okay. I understand your frustration with canons like that. It's a shame when you see a canon you really like, and someone's just shit up the profile.

>>137161

The stigma exists because it seems lazy, and as many people in the thread have said it gives no indication to the players literacy, or their ability to play the character correctly. You might get a bit of that through their customs, but it's not guaranteed.

Sure, I've had fun with a few people who paste their profile from a wiki, but I've also had an absolute awful time with a lot of others. Meanwhile I've always enjoyed my time with canons who actually took the time to do the profile out properly.

IF your writing ability is up to scratch, then there's literally no downsides to just writing the profile yourself.

>>137168

>>137161

It's frustrating when people won't give others a fair chance before yelling "SHIT RPER!!!" be it an OC or canon player on this board. I have seen many fantastic canon players and just OCs on here in general who get shit on.

>>137170

You have you understand that RP is a pretty large time investment on a day to day basis. A really meaty smut scene can go from three to five hours. If you're doing some long term story stuff, that's at least two hours, which is short. I'm using my own experience as measurement, but RP isn't something you can do effectively in short chunks. If I'm spending all that time, I don't want to be wasting it on giving people shots, since juggling more than one RP can be a real chore.

>>137171

As someone going back to college this summer and fall, I will have even less time to invest in a play. Yes, it's a biiig time consuming process. when I first was enrolled in college I've had RPs go on for HOURs when I shoulda been studying, or doing homework, etc. I have been considering putting a note on my profile, or just being mum about it so no one tries to say it's attention seeking.

>>137181

Lord have mercy on your soul, Anon. It's nothing but a bunch of drama and OOC all the time. I've left that fandom a loong time ago.

>>129333

Hi Pomelo

>>137499

Agreed with FOTM anime for sure. DC/Marvel always has dramafagging, so agreed there again. Korras…yeah…I agree. Sucks I can't even wanna make an anime canon from a good anime cause it'll be taken/ruined by shit RPers.

I've never seen Nintendo canons enough, so can't speak there.

>>137415

I would say go for it. I don't recall the anime being THAT bad any.

>>137499

The worst part about FOTM anime is that people who would genuinely love to have a (for example) dragon maid profile are cucked out of a proper name because some shitter nabbed it and forgot about the show the moment it finished airing.

>>137499

Dragon Maid is the definition of a FOTM show. Already seeing a massive drop off of characters from it.

>>137513

>>137510

Dragon Maid was an okay anime, but not like the best thing ever.

>>137664

Try to imagine yourself in the character's shoes. Think about how they'd react to situations and respond to them.

Take Rosalina as an example. In comparison to the other Mario princesses, her manner of speaking might be a bit more sophisticated and lower-key as she is generally more graceful and introverted than Peach or Daisy. There is a maternal side to her as well, tending to baby Luma stars. With her power and influence, she would have an air of status but not on the haughty arrogant side. If someone came up to her and try to hit on her while not meeting her (potentially higher) standards, she would most likely calmly turn the person down as politely as possible. Otherwise she would either be flirtatious while keeping a step or two ahead to keep the chase going or take charge and nuture the person.

>>137664

Your idea for a profile is perfect. Almost anything is better than an inline and no kinks for you to show your potential partners how you portray the character. The profile is just the window for them, the important part is to find the balance between being as true to the character as possible while remaining open for the ways to get into the smut.

Thanks. How would I get around the whole profile name thing? I mean, there's probably like five hundred people named various variations of Rosalina. Like, what's a good example of something appropriate that doesn't veer into being corny?