/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

Without wanting to get esoteric it's important to mention that it is still not clear whether thoughts create chemicals in the brain or the other way around. While one could argue that drugs alter your thoughts so the physical world must create the mental, the thoughts stay pretty much the same on drugs and one could say that the perception via the sensory modalities are what changes. Additionally there is quantum mechanics in which the wavefunctions of electrons only collapse when measured, as if the electron knows it's being watched or as if the basis for the material world is actually the spiritual. Or as if we live in a simulation and complex equations get simplified when nobody watches them, like rendering in a videogames.

The reason why I say that is not because I want to make a specific point, I just think that it's not only our current tech that is standing between us and the sweet cyber existance. Maybe it is only tech, but there's probably a lot more fundamental experiments to be made and science to be rewritten.

But if we are lucky and belong to the younger generations of today's age we could live long enough to see how this turns out, considering elon musks brain chips. Maybe in a few decades we'll see android-pics as our brave lab heros.

Me again >>58350

Also I think that it's not possible to create a mechanical brain as even if we would rebuild a complete brain mechanically we couldn't recreate the neuroplastic functions = learning, so the brain wouldn't be able to change on his own thoughts.

I think it'd probably work like this:

First we create need to unpuzzle the whole brain and be able to completely scan ones brain. Then we recreate all parts of that brain and during multiple surgeries we replace every part of the brain after each other, so that the brain slowly becomes more and more mechanical, until it is completely mechanical. Then we would need to somehow transfer everything that is within the mechanical brain into a program which emulates the mechanical brain, but with software-addons that adds machine learning.

I think only a brain emulation could do that and we'd need to swap the consciousness into that software, without just copying it. Otherwise you would just die but left behind a robotclone. If you want to get into that cybertech-body you'd need to have a bridge, like the temporary mechanical brain.

>>58349

>But I'm pretty sure, if given the choice, they'd choose to house their consciousness in an artificial body.

Do you really want your consciousness to be the patented and trademarked by big tech companies, to be altered, edited and copied as they please? You might think you're getting functional immortality, but to me that sounds like sheer hell. You can't even take comfort in the fact that your suffering will end at death, because there will probably always be a copy of you saved somewhere.

>>58349

Man I could do with a fembot XD

I hope you realize that the people in power aren't your friend and lie to you constantly. The second you're cybernetic is the second you lose your freewill.

They will write any law they want and enforce thought policing with cybernetic force. At the looks of it, since d.c. is 95% democrat, that means being an irrational blithering consuming inattentive resource without a family

You just cannot transfer your consciousness into anything. The moment brain dies your consciousness dies as well. Consciousness cannot exist outside of your brain. Even if you make an exact copy of your brain and transfer all the electrons from your brain into the copy you won't resurrect in that new brain. If you are talking about storing our brains into more durable human-like bodies, this is more plausible.

>>58365

First off, it's not just Democrats.

Second, "without a family"?

Don't tell me you're one of those natalist fetishizers?

Do you really think procreation and marriage will solve the human condition?

>>58400

Gender and family rolls make it harder for markets to capitalize everyone's behavior.

I'd fuck that for a dollar.

>>58400

It's been psychologically proven several times over that yes, those things DO greatly improve mental health and the human condition in general.

Here is an adorable childrens' story:

http://www.ccru.net/archive/Takka.htm

And here is a beautifully written account of consciousness transfer:

http://www.ccru.net/archive/splitsecond.htm

Which will give you a quite dark, quite /cyber/ take on the topic.

You may want to read the whole site.

But when you're ready, check out Boomeritis by Ken Wilber. Its about an AI researcher who grows out of his upload fantasy

>>58445

not so much, this post from one indepent resesh shows that

https://t.co/jyjxZ6T20N

>>58382

>The moment brain dies your consciousness dies as well. Consciousness cannot exist outside of your brain.

I think that is unsupported dogma.

We don't know that there is no soul. We don't know that the brain secretes consciousness. For all we know, the body is governed by Sheldrake fields and consciousness is immortal, temporarily incarnated in our bodies.

A core assumption of cyberpunk fiction is that the soul is just information, and that computers can capture all information digitally, so computers can capture your soul. But that is not neuroscience, that is a bunch of semi-literate 1980s writers riffing on William Gibson's atheistic dogma.

If you think you can prove there is no immortal soul, you should be pulling in fat research grants at MIT or teaching neuroscience at a top-tier medical school, not shitposting with a bunch of anonymous retards.

I am not going to argue this particular controversy in this thread tonight. If people actually give a damn and if I stumble across this thread when I am at home, I will pull up my neuroscience talking points and you can have fun telling me that I don't understand the neuroscience that I am citing.