No.997616 [View All]
https://archive.is/XVua6
Who's ready for another continuation of a show that ran out of steam two seasons ago?
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No.1032377
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No.1038652
>Episode 11
I'm torn, the seasons have become formulaic at this point but that episode was genuinely pretty good
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No.1038759
>>1009878
And yet, the animation in the original show is still worse.
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No.1042908
>>1010013
>Nope, my life was pretty great and continues to still be.
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No.1043799
>>1042908
>bumping a dead thread to post this
Yeah you definitely showed him.
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No.1048794
Anyone who defends the last season is making excuses for poor writing. It did nothing but create artificial drama that was already visited in prior seasons, yet the writers act like his opioid addiction is some kind of massive revelation compared to his crippling alcoholism and the deeper examination of his childhood. This show is officially dead and people need to stop pretending that more seasons are good.
"The story and characters don't have to progress because, like, life is just like that, maaan" only fetishizes sadness in the same way that the writers condemned in the earlier seasons. At best, if that was the writers' intention, then it only sabotages and undercuts the larger message of introspection and slow, painful self-improvement. This season introduced nothing novel or new except for the head writers to flagellate themselves just because Weinstein and a bunch of assholes also liked the show. The most mind-blowing fucking part was when Diane was worried that her TV show was going to destroy America just because it had a shitty protagonist. It's the same kind of delusional Hollywood writers' narcissism that believes that creating an Oscar-bait film is going to solve all the problems of this country. This season wasn't about creating a meaningful story that you can draw meaning from. This is the season where the writers finally gave up on putting in effort and tried to tell you how to feel. It was the worst season yet.
tl;dr people use circular logic to defend the lack of development in the show that they would never apply to any other show because the sad horse is similar to them in some ways.
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No.1048803
His twitter is pretty funny, and the show is only ok.
https://twitter.com/bojackhorseman
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No.1048805
>>1048803
>only 4 stars for mister rogers
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No.1048806
>>1020623
And then she died and there was an entire episode of him giving her eulogy at the wrong funeral of course.
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No.1048814
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No.1048817
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No.1048820
>>997721
>>997725
Season 4 episode 2 scarred my soul and turned me off the show forever. I know the intent was to make me hate the 1950's, but it just made me think of how twisted and full of viciousness the minds that produce this shit must be.
They're projecting their whole sickness as an image of the past. I now fully believe than media can, in and of itself, contain evil.
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No.1048822
>>997725
You're probably right. Back then, if a woman was raped, the whole community would attempt to find the culprit and lynch him. No such thing happens now, partly because "community" barely exists anymore.
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No.1048924
>>1048803
The show is fucking trash, as well as any schmuck who likes it, let alone this fucking thread holy shit, top-tier faggotry up above.
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No.1057132
So is there any THICC Horsegirl Hollyhock r34?
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No.1057137
>Shilling reddit/cuckchan's shows
>>1057131
Fuck off.
>>1057132
Piss off redditor/goon.
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No.1057138
>>1057137
I'm here forever.
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No.1057141
>>1057132
Nothing to write home about.
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No.1057144
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No.1057146
The thing I hate the most about this show is it trivializes depression and everyone who watches it thinks its some like funny ironic cool thing to be depressed.
Most people who think they have depression are just mildy unhappy with their life choices. More importantly, they're usually just in a depressing situation and unaware that their environment is giving them all of this anxiety and sadness. STEM majors.
Real depression is fucking being unable to move. Having shit to do that you want to do and being unable to just put the effort in ans fucking do it. It's not being "sad", everyone fucking gets sad, it's a part of life. It's not melodramatic with panic attacks or cutting or suicidal thoughts the last one is just par for the course in clown world. Actual depression fucking debilitates you. I was a smart kid, I skipped twk grades and you know what happened to me? Halfway through college I just fucking gave up. I was an academics GOD and when it hit me I couldn't even write a fucking 600 word essay twice a week. I failed everything, and then the failures just stopped hurting and I stopped feeling ashamed. You know that sense of dread you feel when you miss a deadline on something important, imagine if you never felt that again in your life. Sounds good, huh? You think that until you realize that for years the only thing moving you forward was your fear of failure.
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No.1057147
>>1057146
fuck pressed post goddamn
You just have shit to do, and it seems to fucking easy, and you just don't do it. It's not like you don't care, or don't want to, or can't. You just don't do it. And there's no excuses. You let all of this shit just slip away from you, and you try to explain this to somebody and they just think you're some lazy faggot because they think depression is just like a TV drama.
If you can still reliably get up in the goddamn morning and go to work, go to school, or do whatever chores you have to do, you're not goddam depressed in my book. You may be stressed, or sad, or whatever, but you aren't depressed. You're still a functional human being, you aren't broken yet. So just shut the fuck up and get back to work, because I won't.
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No.1057186
>>1048794
I just feel disappointed when they did the "It gets easier" final of a season just not to follow that, to have Bojack finally redeem himself.
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No.1057213
>>1057146
Normalniggers are unable to deal with regret and poor choices. People worshiping Bojack as "relate-able" are proof of that.
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No.1064782
>>1064761
Why? I mean, I like the show and the thread has been interesting so far, but what's there to bump right now?
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No.1064797
>>1009860
> just a lazy asshole who deserves most of the bad things that happen to you. I can't stand it when people jack off to this show because it makes them feel better about their own shitty lives and choices.
but anon that describes the individuals that form our entire civilization
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No.1065032
Crew votes to unionize; season 6 in production
https://archive.li/CuZF4
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No.1065096
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No.1069600
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Season 6 is the last, to be split in two, part 1 out now!
>part 2 coming next year
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No.1069812
>>1069600
>the chink is depressed and fat
Good. Now all we need to do is kill off todd.
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No.1072030
Well despite everything wrong with the show Diane I can't say I hate it. It's got more to offer than most "adult" comedy animations.
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No.1072031
>>1072030
Season 6 redeemed Diane for me, because I didn't understand what her fucking problem was before, but it's become more relatable.
Also I'm glad the show permanently ditched the Todd asexuality plotline, another thing I neither cared about, nor can I relate to it.
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No.1072033
>>1072031
Diane's problems are easy to understand. It's just her constant over reactions to minor inconveniences & situations that are her own fault are what made her insufferable.
The asexuality is still there it's just not a plot element whatsoever. We don't really get any on screen development with Todd & his bunny GF.
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No.1072037
>>1072030
>>1072033
>>1072031
Diannes whole thing is that shes insufferably petty because she doesnt want to deal with the real shit going on in her life, and she suffers for it.
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No.1072039
>>1072037
Y'know in the end she doesn't deal with it. She just kind of lives on anti depressants & writing a book she doesn't care about but finds fun because she doesn't have to look at herself. She did not grow as a character. Even Todd had development. Mr. Peanut Butter… ehhh kind of.
One thing I both love & hate is the episode of Bojack going through a near death experience. I like how it's all in his head & allowed for all sorts of bizarre visual performances. What complicates how I feel about it is Bojack's mind version of Herb just saying "there's no other side this is it". Which is really really fucking depressive. But since it's in his head I guess you could say it's just Bojack's own negative mind telling him even death isn't an escape. That he's just gone rather than in heaven or even punished. I like that it made me feel something.
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No.1072045
>>1072039
Mr Peanutbutters development was kinda frontloaded at the end but Id say his arc across all 6 seasons was complete. In case of Dianne its kind of a meh resolution but it its a realistic one at least, some people have to go on meds to be functional. She had plenty character development across the series where she learned to be more self aware and less petty as a result, just not in the last season.
I liked the cunt producer getting a a bit fleshed out, but Holly cutting Bojack out was unnessesary both from a logical and from a writing standpoint, him getting pushed over the edge by the realization that he could have prevented Sarah Lynns death should have been enough. Bojack as a colledge professor was wholesome as fuck.
Also that entire thing with Judah and Princess Carolyn was seriously phoned in. It makes total sense that the 2 workaholics find each other but there was literally no lead up whatsoever.
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No.1072060
>>1072045
I think what it comes down to is that everything felt rushed in this final season. Which is really bad considering they split it into two parts. It's like they didn't have the forethought on how to wrap up everything. So really they just didn't. Diane & PB develop but don't really tackle the root of their problems being themselves or get enough time being retrospective enough about it. Bojack just gets completely sandbagged into total relapse because of Hollyhock abandoning him. Which I think is really out of character. After all the things they went through together you'd think she'd be more accepting of Bojack's flaws & his desire to change. But she just turns on him like everyone else. I hated that but I kind of like how they kept what was on the letter a mystery. We'll never know the whole truth even if we get the basic idea.
I agree that Judah & PC kind of just comes outta nowhere. They should've just remained close working friends. There wasn't a real chemistry beyond being workaholics. I'd rather there have been more focus on Todd's established romance, honestly. Like maybe he realizes that he isn't truly asexual & he just needed to find the right person to open up to sexually. Or just realizing that he wants a child of his own after taking care of so many kids. That'd be some reasonable development.
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No.1072063
>>997616
>Who's ready for another continuation of a show that ran out of steam two seasons ago?
I honestly didn't mind last season too much, at least as far as Bojack went. Him trying to be a good guy and make some actual amends was the most wholesome thing the show has ever done. He had such a shit life with no love whatsoever from either parent and I'm surprised he hasn't just killed himself already. Which is why I'm reluctant to watch this new season. I'm afraid he'll revert or commit suicide.
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No.1072064
>>1057141
My dick moved slightly and now I hate you.
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No.1072066
>>1072063
He relapses. He doesn't die but gets very close.
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No.1072067
>>1072060
My guess from the interviews is that they sketched out at least 3 seasons but then got told by Netflix to quit while theyre ahead. The team propably decided to cut the losses and cram as many bulletpoints from the sketched out narrative in order to not compromise on the important shit, but ended up compromizing on shit anyway.
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No.1072069
>>1072067
Really the show didn't need to run for as long as it did anyway. Cut out Diane & do more with Mr. PB as a character to cut the show down to maybe 3 or 4 seasons instead.
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No.1072071
>>1072069
Look I realize you got a hateboner for Dianne but shes an integral character for the narrative.
I do agree the show could have trimmed the fat a bit, the entire 4th season for example was just filler that ended in status quo, it didnt have to exist. Same goes for Todds asexuality arc. Also Todd being resentful towards Bojack could have been cut down a lot, its out of character for Todd to hold such a grudge for such a long time.
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No.1072072
>>1072071
She's important to Bojack but nothing is lost if she's cut out or replaced by any other character.
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No.1072205
>>1010002
>and one Anon dated another Anon from /v/ only to have her cheat on him and ditch 8chan
…
And how do you know this, anon?
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No.1073724
>>1038652
I've found that any episode that focuses solely on Bojack is the show's greatest strength. Season 1 Telescope, Season 2 Let's Find Out (Personal favorite) and Escape from LA, Season 3 Fish out of Water, Stop Presses and last 3 episodes. Season 4 Sugarman Place and Time's Arrow are pretty good.
The bad parts of Bojack are two fold. First is the side characters, Todd became irrelevant after Season 3, PC has always been either decent foil for Bojack or taking up valuable screen-time and wasting character development time (Didn't change at all in S4), Mr Peanutbutter I kinda hate because he just does whatever he wants really with no real conquences. I know he says he needs people to like him because dog but the way he behaves just rubs me the wrong way. His best moment was to insult Bojack for getting a question about Secretariat wrong on his game show and MrPB works best as a rival for Bojack, not as a friend.
Diane is… complicated for me. She drifts in and out of relevance between seasons. I kind of like her struggling to be happy like Bojack but I don't like to quote Lynn "Asian Daria" and all the baggage that entails.
Second thing is definitely the politics and Season 4 is just chock full of it. Season 3 has the abortion episode that was just tasteless in my opinion and Thoughts and Prayers, episode 5, was just one giant burning Strawman where characters like Diane got to spout their worst points. People of course defend this by saying "Urgh, it's heavy-handed but it's reality." No, it's cherry-picking arguments and making hay-bales out of your opposition, see Sugarman place where "Lol Lobotomize" instead of sending her to a sanatorium.
Hollyhocks "dads" and Todd's sexuality are also story-lines that need to drop dead.
On the plus side, there are some supporting characters I actually like. People like Cuddlywhiskers, Officer Fuzzyface, Pinky Penguin are all good solid supporting. Even Sarah Lynn and what happened to her.
Overall, I still got 2 seasons left but S2 & S3 is my favorite and I think it's just downhill from here with the occasional Bojack only episode to pick the show from a "decent" to a "good."
I know I'm kinda late but better late than never
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No.1074107
>>1073724
>>1048794
This, 5th season was holding pattern and 4th was just a mess, as the focus of the show, Bojack was shoved to the sidelines to give the others a go.
In the 6th season and the face of depression was a really good episode, Bojack doing small things like recommending the app to maude, who's a decent character and should of been introduced in S4 rather than 6, doing the cross-over episode with MrP and other stuff. The whole pickles cucking part of the first half is something his character really didn't need and you could see the writers grasping for straws to keep characters relevant.
E13 though, Horny Unicorn. Oh man… Fuck both Hollyhock and Todd. Holly for cutting Bojack out of her life and Todd for abandoning Bojack the one fucking time he actually needs it.
I didn't get angry at alot of things in this show but this makes me legitimate angry as he's portrayed as this vile person by the media, his "friends and family", the people who you think would look after a vulnerable guy out of rehab straight up cut him out of their lives till he relapses and will probably die. This whole "Nobody cares" Nihilism thing was strong with this episode and if Todd actually cared about Bojack and took a fucking minute to make sure he was sober instead of, you know, trying to appease his bitchof a mother that's not fucking relevant to the story at all, Bojack would be in a better position.
The way to describe this is you have the actors on stage acting as their characters, but there's person grudges between said actors so they don't look after the lead and the whole performance suffers.
Season 6 is the most relevant Bojack has been since S3.
And finished. Just kinda ended, which is fine I guess. Show was decent but dear god, did it get preachy.
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No.1074114
>>1074107
I didn't like season 4 either. And I just didn't care for Bojack's mother's backstory (was that also 4?), because that didn't change the status quo. Just because she had a shitty life didn't make her a better person in the end. Todd's asexuality arc went nowhere, its like they tried something and failed.
Still, this show was relevant to me in a time where I just watch shit and don't care.
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No.1074115
>>1074107
I think the preachiness was good advice though. If you can't relate to an issue though, it became annoying. Sure, I was depressed, and I couldn't get shit done (and still really can't) but I just couldn't relate to the whats-her-name author. She was an asshole to everyone and turned out to be weaker than Bojack, not looking for help. I don't hate her as a character, but I lack empathy in the end.
In the end, the most feel-good moments of the show to me were Princess Carolin's ending and the pic in your post. And the way the ending was handled. Doing nothing was the right decision.
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No.1074116
>>1073724
>No, it's cherry-picking arguments and making hay-bales out of your opposition, see Sugarman place where "Lol Lobotomize" instead of sending her to a sanatorium.
I keep seeing people referring to the lobotomy thing not making sense but what people dont get, is that its a reference to Rosemary Kennedy being brained on behalf of her father. Gran Sugarmans whole story was there to explore that whole shitstorm. Its a dark as fuck spot in recent burger history that is rarely talked about.
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