No.1072807 [Last50 Posts]
http://archive.is/jJWCo
After being attacked by twitter morons for having rules where he had the audacity to respect customers and hire people with talent, they made him cuck from providing a cover for Doug TenNapel's kickstarter Bigfoot Bill 2: Finger of Poseidon because of his anti-trans views. Now they want him to end his relationship with Blake Northcott for CG with the usual guilt by association. The comic industry is small as it is but can an industry survive under 6 degrees of alt-right purging? Can people of differing ideologies work together anymore as just business or is this how it's going to be for a while? I'm afraid I already know the answer to that question.
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No.1072808
I'm just going to make this the CG general just for simplicity sake.
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No.1072838
DC appears to be back at it again with ripping off more indie comic creators ideas. Maybe it's not a completely original premise but the similarities are striking.
Link to an article discussing this:
http://archive.fo/C26Fv
Archive of the indie comic creator's tweet on the matter:
http://archive.fo/ikmfg
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No.1072842
(Providing some archiving outside pics goes a long way, ya know.) Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.1072845
they're a buncha cow's if anything
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No.1072846
>>1072807
unfortunately, the era where the left would ever work willingly with anyone slightly to the right of stalin has been over for decades. the rift can't be healed without a stalinist style purging, that was their intent from the start.
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No.1072857
Jim Lee forced a a contractor to not work with competitors. Isn't that an anti-trust violation?
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No.1072867
ethan van sciver took the opportunity yesterday to bash Doug TenNapel again over this whole thing.
For anyone who still doesn't know, the "caesar" of comicsgate is a legit BPD closet case. The entire movement is in its death throes, for a lot of reasons, including their dependence on ethan for relevance, as well as ethan's behavior. He's basically just another mark waid.
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No.1072868
>>1072867
>>1072842
>screenshots
>no archives
If you're gonna have such a hateboner for Ethan you could at least provide legitimate proof of his wrongdoings.
>The entire movement is in its death throes
ComicsGate, like GamerGate, has no one head to be cut off. It exists always as long as there is dissatisfied customers.
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No.1072869
>>1072868
Comicsgate openly admits to having a leader. You aren't paying attention.
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No.1072870
what do you think is happening to comics and why is it happening?
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No.1072871
>>1072869
There is no organization of any sort like this that everyone falls under the banner of. A completely digital internet movement does not have a one voice controlling them.
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No.1072872
>>1072869
Comics Gate has a leader? Since when? And by who?
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No.1072873
>>1072868
I disagree. GamerGate was relevant for a while at least. The comic thing is just this guy saying something and all his follower making a echo.
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No.1072874
>>1072873
This isn't a matter of disagreement or not. There is literally not organization. No following. No banner of unification. It's just an idea for people who are sick & tired of this recklessly incompetent industry blatantly going against customer interest.
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No.1072876
>>1072874
What I am saying is that the movement is tied what this guy says, it is loosing relevance and the momment he is out for whatever reason, the whole movement is going to lose what it is left of steam.
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No.1072882
>>1072872
>>1072874
It doesn't have an offical leader but Ethan Van Sciver is a major figurehead and has the most "control". The thing with comicsgate is unlike gamergate it is all pretty much centralized on twitter which has a much different culture to imageboards or even leddit. To put it bluntly people on their generly worship people in ways that would get one shamed on here. This is especially troublesome in regard to e-celeb's.
You might say:
>Who gives a shit about e-celeb faggotry just ignore them they aren't relevent or necesary.
The problem with that is that comics creators themsevles have always displayed e-celeb esque behaviour. This was true even before comicsgate was a thing(Mark Waid got into several fights pre-CG, one notable one being with KC Green; John Bryne had numerous feuds with several Comics creators; the entirety of the Morrison/Moore feud.) This compounded with the fact that many Twitterfags are normlaniggers that develop cult like addiction to anybody whose mildy charismatic produces drama faggotry that rivals gamergate drama at it's worse.
Tl;dr comicsgate is inherently different in composition than gamergate and as a result is nowhere near as leaderless as gamergate was
That said, >>1072876 is partially wrong. Many people who left CG becuase of the drama still do the same thing they did when they were in CG, which is make comics(although most of them still do it through crowdfunding). CG itself may turn into a circlejerk but it's steam will probably live on .
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No.1072890
>>1072868
There's all sorts of evidence, but every time any of it is brought up, gullible EVS defenders say "That's not proof!".
He changes his stories constantly on everything. He says CG is "a movement for all people", then calls it "a conservative movement in comics", then says it's "against political content", then puts the Clinton/Lewinsky affair in his own comic.
He feigns innocence when people say he kicked Nerkish out, then says "Nerkish had to leave", then says "Nerkish chose to leave for his own reasons", then says "We can't have people like Nerkish here", then one of his top WC people is caught saying that WC chased Nerkish out and "We'll do it to you too".
He says he doesn't lead a harassment mob, then is caught on video (before he deleted it) telling his followers to dig up as much dirt as possible on Preston Poulter to "ruin him".
Every time any of this is brought up, gullible EVS defenders deflect. "But Preston is a jerk"–not relevant. "But maybe Nerkish was associated with a discord that could have caused problems in the future"–not relevant, not what we're talking about, EVS still did what he did and played Mr Innocent about it.
There are threads of him on KiwiFarms where he brags about getting people banned, but somehow he is a free speech advocate?
There are dozens of tweets where he, for some reason, larps as an LGBTQ+-friendly creator who serves all audiences, and yet elsewhere he calls people faggot, laughs at dildo memes, and seems endlessly entertained by elementary-school-level insults of calling straight guys "gay".
But he spent all of last summer concern trolling on Twitter, talking about how Doug TenNapel was "homophobic" and "transphobic", asking "rhetorical" questions about "Is Earthworm Jim anti-gay?" He was trying to get Doug TenNapel deplatformed, and at the same time he was having WC write to Interplay to try to get them to sever ties with TenNapel.
For the gullible EVS fan(s), the point isn't whether Doug TenNapel is a great guy either, the point is that EVS is a hypocritical shit-stain with no morality or principles, who uses every underhanded tactic possible to hurt people whose talent and success offends his delicate ego. He participates in cancel culture as much as anyone, larps as pro-LGBT for his own purposes just like virtue-signalling SJWs, uses all of this to attack people he has arguments with. But somehow he's still the defacto leader of a movement that's against censorship? He and WC doxx their own customers (Bean from PA, Preston Poulter) when they dare criticize them.
EVS has always been a psychopath and was run out of the mainstream industry NOT for being a conservative but for being a nutcase.
>>1072874
>There is literally not organization.
There is WC and there are private chat groups where the CG top dogs meet to decide things.
>No following.
It's all about followings, follower counts, who gets to work on whose projects, who isn't allowed to work with who
>No banner of unification.
They put WC and/or CG in their fucking bios.>you could at least provide legitimate proof of his wrongdoings.
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No.1072895
Let's not forget that a woman bought a bunch of copies of Cyberfrog for a local school or library or something like that, after ethan van sciver got caught having others in comicsgate hit with dox/flaggotry, she asked for a refund, and ethan leaked it, which is private backer info and against indiegogo TOS. When people started quitting comicsgate and reported ethan to IGG over the situation, he whined "SJWs are trying to deplatform me!" and cried about comicsgate betraying him, did videos saying "comicsgate is dead for betraying me" etc. And what did comicsgate do in response? They took ethan's side. And we haven't even gotten into the comicsgate campaigns that straight up stole backer money and left. Or stealing solo's furaffinity tier book that was shipped as junk mail and had lettering going off the page. And that's just to start.
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No.1072897
>>1072874
Ethan Van Sciver has declared other creators to be "not part of comicgate" and comicsgate's response was to defend Ethan's decision, back him up, and start trashing those creators. This includes Doug TenNapel, as well as many others, going back now multiple years. You are delusional to even suggest otherwise.
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No.1072901
Hey, remember when Ya Boi Zack threatened to sue fans for pointing out that cyberfrog was printed on cheaper paper hence the wavy pages? Then when people started making fun of him for it, he edited it out of his video like a pussy?
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No.1072902
Remember a couple weeks ago when ethan van sciver accidentally posted on a sock account under a name that was used for a doxing ring? He started openly posting under the account threatening to SUE EVERYBODY that criticizes him. I started RTing his sock account and he blocked me. Even his own friends are worrying about him, and if you look at him in 2019 compared to today, the (literal) cocksucker looks like he's aged 20 years, muddafucka lookin like he drank out of the wrong grail lookin ass nigga.
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No.1072903
Comicsgate's pretty much my rape toy at this point, the same way me and friends used to troll tumblr for fun 10 years ago (before cuckchan jumped on our bandwagon) we're now driving comicsgate up the wall because they're just as faggy and whiny as the softest dumblr snowflake, we've made comicsgate literally screaming mad, we were the ones who got ya cuck zacc to threaten to sue his own fans, we got tug to (falsely) threaten to report us to the FBI because we said he was whoring out his 5 year old daughter for youtube clout, we got ethan to threaten to sue people for making fun of him on twitter, we put the pressure on mitch breitweiser until he was slamming his head into his keyboard live on stream. All of your comicsgate creators thought youtube would be a good way to grift some quick cash from you gullible paypigs, and now it's twisted around and being used against them as the permanent archive of their life's embarrassments.
The rest of you (including kiwifarms who is hilariously clueless, I don't read KF but aren't they supposed to be known for digging?) will be pretending to be us and trying to troll comicsgate by next year when it's considered safe to do but after we've moved on.
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No.1072915
>>1072807
not that any of this shit's wrong. But couldn't you have just linked to an anonfile for all shit instead of dumping your enitre "Gay shit Comicsgate did" folder?
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No.1072919
Sure is convenient how there's still no archives & just endless spam of random nonsense that conforms to the view of "comicsgate bad because one guy".
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No.1072921
>>1072919
Not the guy dumpnig his shit, but I did find some of the non-ethan posts that are screencapped
https://twitter.com/Alphadogstudio1/status/1090003179738222596
https://twitter.com/CgYakuza/status/1230482017789337600
I can't find any of ethan's worst comments archived but I did find one of the responses mike typed to him
https://twitter.com/AbacusMike/status/1123276697682321408
Other than that I did find some mildly faggy shit such as Ethan using SGM distanceing himself from Doug to shittalk him: https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1236459548409507845
http://archive.vn/Gra6d
Other than that it mostly comes down to he says she says, which is part of the reason alot of peopel left CG. They got sick of the drama.
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No.1072923
apologies for the over use of "oher than that." should have proofread better.
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No.1072925
That Van Sciver shits on guys like TenNapel for actually putting out finished comics, on top of competently running crowdfunding campaigns for them, tells me all I need to know about Ethan.
That said, is anybody else bothered by the overemphasis on crowdfunding? From what I've seen nobody ever mentions the possibility of just doing a webcomic. Crowdfunding's fine but for every creator that actually delivers what they promise. there are dozens that either run into a brick wall with their campaigns (poor budgeting, no plan, unforeseen complication, etc) or just take the money, run, and let backers know about it months later.
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No.1072931
>>1072925
Yes. I think it's because webcomics are tougher to market, monetize, and they require work upfront and possible revenue later.
Another disturbing part is how many people who deliver just do the crowdfunding and that's it. Putting the comic out on comixology or gumroad would be trivial, readers would have a chance to get it even after the campaign is over, and it would be some extra revenue for the creator.
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No.1072969
I consider myself a "member" of CG, though I didn't even know about most of this internal drama. Last bit of that I remember was when Vox Day tried to copyright the name for his Alt-Hero crap. Wasn't he doing a Qanon comic, too? I'm still subbed to Ethan and Zack on the tubes but I rarely watch their videos anymore, it's just the same shit over and over.
Can't people just make fun comics?
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No.1072984
>>1072903
Just going off this post alone its obvious this sperg doesn't really care about anything. I'll leave some of his stuff up but I'm going to clean most of his thread bomb. I don't know much about CG nor do I ever want to, I just want to clean up the thread and having a faggot sperg out like this isn't helping anyone. I'm not going to delete the thread but if you honestly want to shit on the guy, just don't act like a sperg from /cow/.
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No.1072996
This kind of faggotry is exactly why weebshit and knockoffs thereof is overshadowing Western comics and animation and devouring its market share globally.
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No.1072997
>>1072925
>That Van Sciver shits on guys like TenNapel for actually putting out finished comics, on top of competently running crowdfunding campaigns for them, tells me all I need to know about Ethan.
Why does dougs fanforce keep shilling here no one cares about your gay ecleb fued bro talk about comic pros being socjus fags not two indie faggots fighting
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No.1072998
>>1072996
Did you seriously edit this anon's post?
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No.1072999
>>1072984
Good shit janny I know these faggots crosspost on twitter and wanna use /co/ to ecleb hatejerk when doug and evs are both questionable in different ways imo
One sperg for doug legit asked for gibs because his wife had cancer and begged evs to unblock him after doing the same /cow/ shit the banned guy did here.
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No.1073000
>>1072838
Tom king is a hack
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No.1073001
>>1072997
>>1072999
Keep the tribalism on the down low or spoiler the more cancerous/spergy bits.
>>1072998
Once in the full moon, either to make a slight grammatical change (like giving a post an extra space) or salvaging a post if it had spergy elements, bring it to the meta thread next time.
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No.1073004
>>1073001
Imma just avoid it outright now that its offtopic
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No.1073009
>>1072901
>(What in the ever loving hell is a "Ya Boi Zack"?)
The guy in the video. His youtube channel used to be Diversity&Comics, but he changed its name to ComicsMatter with YaBoiZack. Name comes from people back in the day claiming that his real name is Zack.
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No.1073010
As a GG veteran, CG is akin to Roguestar hijacking the movement and making it all about him by shilling his own subpar product. Yes, modern capeshit is terrible, but the alternatives aren't better. Ya Boi Zack unironically likes Liefeld and hired someone who aped Liefeld's edgy 90s style terribly. Even the mexican artists on Boom or Oni color within the lines and arranged their compositions perfectly so each panel's readable. EVS's Cyber Pepe looks busy and the faces look creepy as if traced from porn.
TL;DR support manga and not this shit
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No.1073011
>>1073010
EVS was always one of the better capeshit artist he was employed by DC. The biggest problem with Ethan from what I know (aside from the e-celeb faggotry he's a part of and instigates) is that he had several crowdfunding campaigns for the same damn comic and then shipped the comic late anyway on sub-par paper. I also wish more of these niggers would make their comic available through something other than the initial crowdfunding place. For all their talk of creating an alternative market, they sure make it hard get their comics once you get the window. You shouldn't just name drop a GG e-celeb and expect people to know what you mean. Many people (if they were here in the first place, and not one of the numerous cuckchanners come here) don't even remember that time wannabe e-celeb got angry because no gamergayter liked them, and spammed every board in the top ten in their anal pain.
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No.1073016
>>1072931
>Putting the comic out on comixology or gumroad would be trivial, readers would have a chance to get it even after the campaign is over, and it would be some extra revenue for the creator.
I suspect some creators are deterred by the possibility of digital piracy. That and/or they want as many people pitching into their campaigns as possible, since offering digital copies might cut into that.
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No.1073025
>>1073016
>I suspect some creators are deterred by the possibility of digital piracy.
Most of them are still obscure enough to where this is barely a problem. The only ones I know for sure whom got their shit uploaded are Matthew Weldon (who I am unsure is CG or not, he may be just adjacent) and Rags (who burned out on CG). Even when their shit got uploaded, I recall it was weeks after their shit was uploaded anywhere.
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No.1073039
>>1073011
Yeah, EVS was solid at DC, but cyberfrog is a clear step down compared to his previous work. It just feels like since VanScriver became a youtube celeb, actual comic book work took a backseat to streams and youtube videos.
>>1073016
>I suspect some creators are deterred by the possibility of digital piracy.
That's pretty stupid. What's stopping people from backing the campaign the lowest possible amount and then scanning the comic anyway? What about media piracy research that EU commissioned and then tried to suppress once it turned out that piracy did not hurt sales, and in cases when they had an effect it actually bolstered popularity? I suspect that there is a reason as to why Marvel, DC, and scholastics did not join the comics piracy hysteria going on social media a few months back.
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No.1073040
>>1073036
I agree with you that EVS is a fag, but you really make it obvious you don't belong here. You should go back to twitter nigger.
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No.1073042
>>1073010
>As a GG veteran
>Just give up comics to the woke crowd and don't support independant artsists
As a fellow GG "verteran", neck yourself.
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No.1073043
>>1073042
to be fair, CG if far from the only anti-woke comcis guys in town now. Alot of people who left CG remained aint-woke and still make comics. So he doesn't neccesarily have to support CG to support independent artists.
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No.1073044
>>1073043
>>1073042
Well, a lot of independent comic creators are woke as hell, so supporting independent creators doesn't mean you are against woke artists.
Saying that supporting independent creators is anti-woke or pro-woke is pointless.
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No.1073082
How do we make ComicsGate a success? It's not a very rewarding industry and it's hard, thankless work. A modern day artist cannot survive unless they bend the knee to corporate suits, propaganda and pornography. Either that or serve Starbucks lattes forever.
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No.1073084
>>1073082
There's no saving the industry as it is. It needs total reform similar to the manga industry.
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No.1073087
>>1073084
> It needs total reform similar to the manga industry.
Either you're fucking stupid or extremely naive the manga (same extent with anime) industry literally runs on pennies and is bound for a literal collapse if things dont change. The only reason it hasn't is because the people working within it love what they do, and don't mind getting paid below minimum wage and work 50 hour weeks to the point of literal death.
https://archive.is/wW1Xj
https://archive.is/MDNmW
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No.1073088
>>1073087
I never said the manga industry was perfect. But the format of storytelling is what's made it successfully blow up in the west while american comics have been dying hard.
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No.1073089
>>1073039
>What's stopping people from backing the campaign the lowest possible amount and then scanning the comic anyway?
Effort and demand? You'd have to be pretty crazy to put down money to preorder a comic in the hopes of disassembling and scanning it for everybody else to enjoy. Not saying it's not impossible, just rare.
>>1073025
>Most of them are still obscure enough to where this is barely a problem
I agree, but that doesn't stop some creators from getting rattled over the very idea of someone reading their work and not paying for it.
>>1073082
Actually support and spread awareness for indie comics you feel are actually worth your attention and/or money. Don't need no hashtag or a Twitter account to do that.
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No.1073090
>>1073088
>But the format of storytelling is what's made it successfully blow up
What made it "blow up" was because theres nothing fucking worth reading from the big two (Batman till recently always outsold manga in the west). The mid-tier guys are stuck doing IP comics like Sonic and Power Rangers and the Indie scene is either made up of rainbow haired dykes or legitimate people trying to make a living but cant because no one buys shit.
The problem with comics is the duopoly created by the mouse and the lack of NATIVE competition.
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No.1073092
>>1073090
If it was merely just having nothing good to read from the big two then indie comics would be more successful. The simple matter is that manga volumes, creator owned stories, & actual story structure on top of consistent creator teams are what make manga so popular.
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No.1073093
>>1073092
>big two then indie comics would be more successful.
Kid, its called a duopoly for a reason. Whether its soda, operating systems, or comics the little guy is never going to match the big two, because the big two always use their weight to push them out in some manner. It takes a literal separation by governing powers, a complete collapse of the market or just plain luck for a small indie company to make some decent cash.
>creator owned stories, & actual story structure on top of consistent creator teams are what make manga so popular.
All that shit you listed is not unique to anything and has been done over and over for decades. That shit is still around in comics, but nobody fucking buys them, so the damn thing goes under. Put stories in traditional magazines, news stands, hell even in the trading card section of Walmart; new shit does not sell because they can't compete with the duopoly. It doesn't help either that most decent writers never stick around because they can be making 10x the money shitting out scripts for television or movies.
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No.1073094
>>1073093
Again, no one buys them because they're still not on that same production level as manga. Never as good art. Stories that can have story structure but still require tons of books to read on series that are ultra successful like Hellboy. Consistency? Forget about it. Indie books that go beyond just one shot volumes don't have consistent teams either. DC & Marvel existing doesn't inherently make these indie creators unable to sell. That doesn't make any sense when no one's buying DC or Marvel comics anymore.
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No.1073095
>>1073092
>the problem with comics is the duopoly created by the mouse
I'm nitpicking, but it's not accurate. Duopoly began long before Marvel and DC were bought by Disney and WB. In fact, DC had near monopoly once Fawcett started faltering, but then Marvel took off.
>>1073090
>>1073090
It's combination of multiple factors
>American comics tend to be of lower quality than manga
>Floppies are overpriced
>Comics still have 'it's for kids' stigma and are not taken seriously
These are the big ones. All of them can be blamed on big two, who are basically dictating the prices, drove quality down, and actively worked towards sabotaging non-cape and smaller publishers.
Other contributing factors are:
>Marvel's and DCs online services are lackluster
>On Comixology they have to compete with self-published indies, European translation, and manga
>Printed periodicals are declining and on top of it only retailers carrying them are comicbook stores and some bookstores
>Antiquated publication model
>Marvel's practices back in the 90s crashed the market and permanently altered it
>Limited amount of genres and types of stories compared to Japanese and European comics
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No.1073100
>>1073094
>that same production level as manga
Manga doesn't even print in color (unless its a special edition). The paper used in the typical JUMP magazine is worse than toilet paper, and for individual releases its cheap as hell just to bulk buy black ink. Unions are different (if they even exist for a Mangaka in a small company), laws are different and what sells is utterly different.
>Never as good art.
Now you're just bait posting. Also good artists cost money and you make more money doing commissions for furry porn.
>Consistency? Forget about it.
Not many people are willing to stay decades working on one story but on the flip side if one person worked on Batman; The Long Halloween, Killing Joke or any of those specific tales wouldn't be a thing. Also just wait till Akira Toriyama kicks the bucket due to heart failure from over working, it'll be the first in their industry where JUMP decides to continue their cash cow after the creator dies.
>Indie books that go beyond just one shot volumes don't have consistent teams either.
Because it never pays well.
>DC & Marvel existing doesn't inherently make these indie creators unable to sell
Here's a crash course in Business 101, when there's a shop selling all sorts of products the company with the most money pays to be in front. When Anheuser-Busch (beer company) wanted to break into the snack business they bought a little snack company to make shit (Eagle Brands). They wanted to use their established brand recognition to kickstart this new venture, people always have snacks with beer so why not have them buy snacks directly from them. Frito-lay and to the same extension their owners PepsiCo didn't like that. They saw it as a threat and a slap to the face even though they dominated the snack industry; they didn't care when the bought company was on its own, they had no monetary muscle but when they got bought the capital available to them was beyond the imagination. So what happened? PepsiCo declared jihad for the shelf space of the grocery store on Anheuser-Busch. Using their connections Frito-lay did all types of shit; they declared a price war and sold at a loss, they threatened to take away their product from stores that sold Anheuser-Busch snacks or placed their product in easy to see shelf space, they made exclusivity deals with stores to push out Anheuser-Busch snacks and ultimately got lawyers involved just to fuck with the main Anheuser-Busch company. In the end after losing millions on the venture Anheuser-Busch sold their snack division and never looked back.
I had a great business strategy professor back in my college days
How does this apply to comics? As noted here >>1073095 these companies play dirty. Have you ever since an Image comic or a Boom comic in Walmart. Ive seen Archie comics and Garfield comics, they typically always hang around the register or deep within a store's magazine section. I've seen Jump issues once in a full moon but they typically disappear after a while, sometimes they come back too or not. DC recently ended their partnership with Walmart yet Archie and Garfield remain. Why? Because that is their territory along with newsstands, anyone tries to get in that isn't some diet fad book gets fucked with. The only place that sells all sort of comics shit outside comic shops are Barnes and Noble and hipster stores like FYE. Yet the first comics you see there are either Marvel or DC; everything else is in the back gathering dust, unless its IDW doing a popular IP. Even with comic shops, the big two keep dumping and dumping books on them whether they want them or not. The shops are forced to get rid of those books as quickly as possible, plastering all them across the front of the store, if they don't then they won't get the weekly release of the new Batman story or whatever Spider-man is doing or something to this extent.
Its a dirty business.
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No.1073106
>>1072807
Doug Tennipples is an Objectivist, I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as "Alt-right", that's just plain old "redneck that read Atlas Shrugged".
And if Murphy does the cover or not is his own choice, twits and Tumblrs can't force the little bitch to do anything. Maybe it's Nipples' fault for being a fucking transphobic redneck, maybe that's why the salty old fuck can't get anyone to work with him.
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No.1073110
>>1073106
>>1073108
also:
>Maybe it's Nipples' fault for being a fucking transphobic redneck,
Where do you think you are? You should go back to twitter like the other nigger.
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No.1073115
>>1073090
>The problem with comics is the duopoly created by the mouse and the lack of NATIVE competition.
Pretty much its why most artists are pozzed they dominate the schools and or get them right off tumblr
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No.1073118
>>1073087
>>1073100
manga in Japan is easier to distribute since it is a smaller country.
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No.1073119
>>1073118
Its a fucking book, one of the easiest things to distribute. No excuses.
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No.1073121
>>1073119
Harder, not impossible.
And that means it is more expensive, specially if you want to make the same volume of content like the japanese industry every week.
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No.1073123
>>1073121
Then it must be a pain for newspaper companies to shit out crap for decades or new york best sellers as they hit nationwide sells within a day of their release.
I can find manga the day the translation is released within hours, its fucking books, you can print that shit anywhere for pennies especially if the product is only black and white. Distribution isn't a problem as long as there's demand and a safe place to advertise.
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No.1073179
The absolute fucking state of Marvel. Meet Safespace & Snowflake.
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No.1073180
>>1073179
Their designs are so generic. They look like bad minibosses from a Megaman ripoff.
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No.1073183
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>1073181
Here's the full trailer video.
This could potentially be the next Hellcat.
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No.1073220
>>1073118
The Big Two of manga OWN distrubution companies and, I beleive, large shares in convenience store chains.
The UK is also a small country, but our "big one" of comics (and teetering on the edge of the abyss at that) are dictated to by the distributor, not the other way around. The distributor also has a monopoly, one shop that sells 10 copies of The Beano one week, but only 1 the next week because it rains all week, will only ever be sent 1 copy from the distributor forever after. , Also the shops charge "rent" to the comics, bumping their prices up to absurd levels.
The size of the country has nothing to do with it. But it does mean that anybody with sufficient capital behind them to start up their own convenience store chain and distributor could easily monopolise the comic industry overnight, and sell them much cheaper, too (you don't charge rent to yourself, after all).
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No.1073328
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Cyberfrog coin revealed to be nothing but a piece of paper on a 50 cent piece. Evs is now guilty of fraud.
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No.1073334
>>1073328
That's a terrible video but yeah EVS is legitimately in trouble if this is true.
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No.1073533
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Last Week in #Comicsgate : Schadenfreude
Mar 27, 2020
The event dominating the news was the Coronavirus shut down and quarantine. Diamond Distribution halted its comic book distribution operations, which prompted many in #Comicsgate to speculate that this was the end of Marvel and DC Comics as ongoing companies.
Ethan Van Sciver took particular glee in telling his fans to respond to Marvel and DC artists on Twitter with the "#pencilsdown" hashtag. He characterized #Comicsgate as a lifeboat which could take on a few new talented industry professionals, but, according to Cecil, they would need to self-identify as #Comicsgate.
Martina Markota / Lady Alchemy was declared "Queen" of War Campaign by Ro. Seemingly, in an effort to fit in with her new tribe of people, she posted the two artists formerly working on her Lady Alchemy as engaging in a male sodomy orgy.
Donny Cates was doing his best to allay fears of the end of comics and used some of Stan Lee's old phrases. This prompted Peter Simeti to comment that Donny Cates was not Stan Lee; he then bragged about it on Ethan Van Sciver's livestream. a virtue signal to the #Comicsgate crowd.
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No.1073571
>>1073328
Alright, I'm really out of the loop on this. How is putting a sticker on a 50 cent coin fraud? Did someone advertise custom made metal coins or something?
Keep in mind, those penny-souvenir machines at museums were ruled legal in the US, and those destroy the coin in question.
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No.1073578
>>1073571
>Alright, I'm really out of the loop on this. How is putting a sticker on a 50 cent coin fraud? Did someone advertise custom made metal coins or something?
don't follow CG much, but some resaerch does reveal he overhyped the coins. From(emphasis mine, forgive me if i fuck up the fromating. never used anything besides spoiler and redtext before):
>I'd like to offer you the chance to acquire this new set of collectible Cyberfrog coins, a JFK silver fifty cent piece with a _hi-tech art overlay_ of your friends from CYBERFROG BLOODHONEY! There are six to collect!
>The Art Process Official Term: Colorization Infused Legal Tender Coins - Colorizing coins involves the _application of special inks directly to the surface of a coin_ using a unique multi-color printing process. The result is an _everlasting colorized coin_ collectible of ultra-high quality. We are using America’s largest manufacturer and the creators of both colorized U.S. coins. This colorizing process achieves a _level of detail, color saturation, and durability that is #1 in the industry._
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No.1073579
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No.1073599
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