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At least set it before the Last Airbender, with none of that steampunk crap.

Honestly I kinda want to see it happen just to see how much of a trainwreck it'd be. The series can't be fixed anymore so might as well enjoy the disaster.

There's no where else for the series to go and they already clearing don't know what they were doing with Korra. That's a terrible idea in every way shape and form to try to keep going after that.

>>1021242

Is it going to be a Diverse and Communistic paradise until the Nazi fire nation attacks?

Only way it could be good is if they bring back Aaron Ehasz and retcon Korra out of existence. At this point it'll just be tumblr nonsense.

It wouldn't be up to him if more Avatar comes out. The brand is just about dead and only has comics to keep interest now.

>>1021242

The technology in LOK was a shining example of how the sequel was doomed early on. As E;R pointed out in his Whorra videos, the technology isn't suitable for the world TLA established. Technology like steam ships and the drill were bender powered and/or taking advantage of the FN/EK's access to metals. And even then much of the world was still just about Medieval at most. LoK had it so that there was radio, cars, and spirit nukes with one company (Future Industries) having more or less moved technology into the 20th century (complete with nameless benders lightningbending despite TLA establishing it as a rare art).

>>1021247

Avatar didn't need a follow-up. The sequel going as far to turn the Avatar from a representative of balance (as befits the world's spirit) to an enforcer of balance (who's what happened when the spirit of justice and light joined some special human) and spirits from the Avatar world's version of kami and sidhe to Mons that humans are mean to shows how much of the predecessor had to be destroyed for a continuation.

Possible point of interest would be distancing themselves from the avatar and focusing more on parts during the war, following a general's exploits until death(please not Iroh's), exploring Ba Sing Se, following the water tribes.

A problem arises in that it opens up more possibilities for fucking up the series and even if it's done well it would take away from some of the mystery of said events. I'd say just dump it and go for a new IP or something.

>>1021272

Well duh. It was a pretty simple series to begin with. Korra wasn't needed and nothing else they can possibly churn out will be either.

The one way I could see it working is if they went the KOTOR route where they went so far back it is detached from ATLA and wouldn't change the continuity.

>>1021284

There's no way they won't force in junk from the Beginnings retcon (Raava and Vaatu, spirits being interdimensional invaders, bending being taught to humans by Lion Turtles instead of them learning from beasts and/or the skies). Going from that upcoming comic Imbalance having the Equalists (or at least Anti-Bending) be around in Aang's time they're willing to retcon TLA's world and earlier to be in line with LoK.

>>1021284

They already fucked everything up with Wan, though. Admittedly, that still leaves them 10,000 years of unused Avatars and time periods to explore, but I think they've tapped themselves out. How many big wars or evil bigots can they make into compelling stories? They've spoiled the world of Avatar by making it into a place where you get giant kaiju spirit battles, giant mechs, and bender terrorists who all have ridiculous mutant bending powers.

In the hands of a better creative team, they could probably still do some pretty good stuff, but Bryke and the rest have shown that they don't know how to tell smaller stories anymore. They can't even write basic human relationships in a good way.

>>1021242

That'd be nice atleast, a older fashioned style

>>1021302

Obvious leftypol/4cuck baiting but I'll bite:

>Having a bastardization of yin-yang in Raava and Vaatu

>Turning spirits into Mons that mean humans are keeping down

>Probending

>Toph being a slut and terrible mother with her daughters being a crook who got away thanks to her mother's nepotism and a police chief who scorns them both but is condemned for it until she suddenly doesn't

>Amon being a bender who proceeds to bend and expose himself to his Liutenant

>Unalaq and his lack of a solid character

>Varrick going from an interesting villain to yet another zany comic relief

>The show having too many zany comic relief kid/manchild characters (Bolin, Meelo, Bumi, Varrick) Jar-Jaring around

>Korra watching a flashback on how humans an dspirits failed to get along yet leaving the portals open

>Korra getting indignant at getting called out for her actions

>Kuvira being a failure of a villain

Did I miss any?

If they're going to do this, they need to get the length of the series down first thing, and not budge with Nickelodeon. An exact number of episodes gets made; no more, no less, no thinking that you're only going to have one season so you try to create a self-contained story when suddenly you're optioned for another 13 episodes

>>1021320

Bryke's words point to them being satisfied with doing villain of the week seasons instead of one overarching conflict. And there was nothing stopping them from revisiting villains (see the Equalists being in the Platinum Korra game).

>>1021263

>Only way it could be good is if they bring back Aaron Ehasz and retcon Korra out of existence. At this point it'll just be tumblr nonsense.

Pretty much this. The ending of Korra showed that they were willing to pander to that audience and the comics are making it worse, look the ATLA Fire Lord also hates faggots, oh he's so much more evil than you ever knew!

>>1021272

With the early books the technology in Korra did seem correct for the the 1920's inspired time period it was set in (especially when it cam be built by benders), Book 1's mecha tanks are a combo of WWI tank treads bases with early 1900 diving helmets designs for the cockpit.

Then they went full retard with the mini and massive bipedal mecha, even with metal bending to operate the latter it seemed out of place.

Another factor of the tech issue is that "handguns" still haven't been invented, when they should exist even with bending to operate them and not gunpowder/compressed air (Eg: could even a waterbender launch a bullet by turning water inside a metal chamber into steam quickly?) Hand guns could serve as an offensive equalizer for non-bender vs benders.

yay more e;r videos

>>1021312

>Kuvira being the worst lesbian villain in cartoon history

>Korra being the worst avatar

FTFY

>>1021348

>With the early books the technology in Korra did seem correct for the the 1920's inspired time period it was set in (especially when it cam be built by benders), Book 1's mecha tanks are a combo of WWI tank treads bases with early 1900 diving helmets designs for the cockpit.

Except that was also a mistake. LoK happening in an Oriental version of the 20th century West was more about Bryke shoving in whatever they believed would be "cool" than what would be a suitable continuation of TLA's events. It's not just technology, there's the fashions, the Equalists being obvious stand-ins for Commies…

The only LoK machinery that might have been acceptable was the cars (and that's only from the trucks that showed up in Day of the Black Sun). And even then, it still had the problem of just coming from Mr. Sato and his company (which as already pointed out did too much for the technology jump to be believable). They even had radio. At most, the world should be no more advanced than Napoleon's time accounting for how bender-based technologies like the fire tanks.

>>1021359

Kuvira is not a homosexual. She's just a failed attempt to be a Dark Korra who's also Hitler and Mao thrown in a blender.

>>1021360

>>1021355

E;R's videos are solid at criticisms of LoK. He just needed to stop trying so hard to be a comedian and instead stick pointing out how weak of a sequel LoK is.

>>1021376

>Napoleon's time

Ironically the gun was the only thing that wasn't invented, and it is the greatest equalizer of them all, but I guess that can be excused with it being a "children show".

>>1021384

Benders don't need an equalizer. The likes of Mai and Ty Lee had no problem being threats to Aang's posse. LoK just escalated bending (see a loser like Bolin lavabending even though he wasn't noted as an especially talented bender and only the Avatar lavabended in TLA) and repeatedly went out of its way to show that if you don't have bending you're garbage (see Bumi becoming an airbender, Tenzin recruiting anybody who's an airbender for his new country).

>>1021388

>Benders don't need an equalizer.

There are cases where a bender could be "out of his element", like a earthbender on a wooden boat in the middle of the ocean fighting waterbenders, or a waterbender inside a volcano fighting firebenders or even earthbenders, sure they can bring a bit of dirt or water, but they would be no match for them, a gun would be better. Plus sniper rifles, could be used to deal with benders from long-range without them noticing you or you being in their range of attack, since not everyone is spary-sparky-boom-man.

>The likes of Mai and Ty Lee had no problem being threats to Aang's posse.

They were probably trained from birth to be Azula's bodyguards, that's like saying that random peasant could spend 10 years rigorously training in martial arts, and be a match for most MMA champions, but why would he do that, when he could spend two months practicing shooting and be much more deadly.

The rest, I agree with. I especially love how all the air acolytes that Aang met in the comics, that were tending the temples, and were practicing the air nomad lifestyle and culture, as much as they could, didn't get squat, but some random earth NEET got airbending.

>>1021400

Im surprised none of them became villains I've never seen a group of people so thoroughly shafted.

>>1021400

Bending in TLA was more or less just a martial art. Outside of the Avatar, master benders like Jeong-Jeong, and maybe special days like the Black Sun's benders were hardly one men armies who couldn't be slashed by non-benders.

And Azula's posse were't raised to be her bodyguards. We see both of them living away from her when they show up in the present.

>>1021403

I would think there must be some sort of Air Nomad belief (like real world monks) that the Air Acolytes must follow about not be attracted to real world possessions/material worth or being envious of others abilities that could possibly act as an answer for this.

Though I could still easily imagine a pissed off Air Acolyte who has devoted their life to preserving the Air Nomad way, getting enraged by someone of lesser years (or no years like what actual happens in Book 3) of devotion to the cause gaining airbending abilities, this could have served as a former Air Acolyte (with large amounts of knowledge of air bending movement and fighting styles), who has now become a tech based villain backstory (basically Zaheer but with air cannons and spinning fans?)

But in all honestly I think the reason for creating more Airbending characters just so they wouldn't have a genetic bottleneck of every Airbender being Aang's descendant. Even like 8 generations/200 years down the line (if a possible 4th Avatar series was to be set) it could still be an issue for two airbenders to get together.

I watched E:R's review of Korra and kept thinking all they had to do to save the plot was reveal that Korra wasn't actually the avatar

like, it's not as the second series was even called avatar in the first place, it could've been a really cool twist that would have put Korra in her place too

>>1021481

>But in all honestly I think the reason for creating more Airbending characters just so they wouldn't have a genetic bottleneck of every Airbender being Aang's descendant. Even like 8 generations/200 years down the line (if a possible 4th Avatar series was to be set) it could still be an issue for two airbenders to get together.

There were plenty of other ways to introduce more airbenders. One way is to say that Air Nomads who carried the potential but didn't become proper airbenders escaped the massacres but went into hiding, intermingled with non-benders, and Aang picked up their descendants. Another is that the new Air Nomads recruited from bending children in other countries and taught them their ways.

Leaving the portals open was just about finding a way to keep the series going after Vaatu's defeat and putting in an airbender villain who isn't connected to Aang. Korra just starts suddenly yapping about Unalaq really being goodright to open the portals and so she just leaves them (the plot direction forcing Korra to act that way).

>>1021360

>even mentioning something exists is worship of it.

Honestly the problems with LoK's technology and Air Nomads just makes me sure the show needed to happen in a much longer gap from TLA's events. I'm talking at least a full century or higher. Give enough time for the Air Nomads to regrow doing these methods >>1021489 and for the technology jump to be more believable. All we'd lose is the cheap fanservice of having the Gaang's kids around (instead of their later descendants) and some of the Gaang themeelves showing up to do litttle to nothing that requires their presence.

>>1021489

>One way is to say that Air Nomads who carried the potential but didn't become proper airbenders escaped the massacres but went into hiding, intermingled with non-benders, and Aang picked up their descendants.

Bizarre trivia about the Air Nomads, EVERY Air Nomad is an Airbender, somehow the high spiritual nature of them somehow grants 100% bending for their population and possibly serving as the reason for the Fire Nation wiping them all out (any AN is a bending threat).

This may also explain why the FN saved the effort and just imprisoned anyone with water bending instead of just doing genocide on the entire Southern Water Tribe (of non benders).

>>1021506

But what the young kiddies who didn't finish the basics once the FN started killing ANs? The failures and/or rejects (like heretics who wish to have wine and women)? And even then that doesn't rule out Air Nomads who flee out into villages, keep a low profile, burn their uniform, marry then get children, and their family's bending is air leaning but doesn't get expressed since the family doesn't practice AN techniques. This could even address something like Ty Lee's abilities (air in the blood).

Frankly, the ANs and their situation post-Sozin as we're told in the shows might have just a few holes to them from Bryke's ignorance of Tibetan Buddhism and/or Tibet as a country.

>>1021506

Obviously inbreeding and not spirituality had to do with it or at least one acolyte would've turned.

>>1021272

The Wan Episodes also fucked with the world by turning the Avatar (A spirit reincarnated countless times to learn again and again, to ensure the world does not fall out of balance and by learning the different perspectives can judge the world differently, Roku not stopping Sozin, Kyoshi advocating violence as a problem solver) from a Buddhist perspective on his life to (possessed by the 'good' light spirit Raava and having to fight and 'evil' spirit, previous cycle broken, you're stuck with whorra now, elements originally given by sealion turtles so why the hell not can they give energy bending) which is a traditionally catholic view of good vs evil. This shift is too much to overcome by simply retconning it, you'd need to undo every damn change they did and then you'd still wouldn't be done.

>>1021300

I feel sorry for the next earth avatar that has Whorra as a spirit and sees the giant Aang statue and asks her why can't they talk to him.

>>1021759

>The Wan Episodes also fucked with the world by turning the Avatar (A spirit reincarnated countless times to learn again and again, to ensure the world does not fall out of balance and by learning the different perspectives can judge the world differently, Roku not stopping Sozin, Kyoshi advocating violence as a problem solver)

What Roku and Kyoshi did led to ruin or otherwise backfired. Kyoshi is especially notable since she actively interfered in EK politics, even chastising the then Earth King for defying "his" Avatar.

>from a Buddhist perspective on his life to (possessed by the 'good' light spirit Raava and having to fight and 'evil' spirit, previous cycle broken, you're stuck with whorra now,

Korra losing her past lives was done so:

A. They could depower Korra since the showrunners apparently couldn't figure out how to put a "fully realized Avatar" in danger.

B. It's part of a wider direction of LoK's Fuck You Dad worldview. Korra is a stronk womin who don't need no man authority or man traditions so she needs to kill her past lives to "find herself." As Dimartino says here:

http://archive.is/CUSRe

>The father represents any parent, or institution, or religion, or government that wants to prevent you (or me) from coming into our own and expressing who we truly are. This covers the gamut, from corporations not wanting employees to think outside the box, to a society that still isn’t entirely okay with gay marriage. They (the father figure) thinks they know best. They say they have your best interests at heart and they will protect you. But they are just fearful of what will happen when people are living their best lives. I think this part of the film got under my skin because I absolutely hate when someone assumes they know what is best for me.

This addresses LoK's portrayal of Aang, Tenzin's melodrama wth Jinora, the framing of President Raiko as some sleazy politician just for not letting Korra do whatever she wants, and Toph (a neglectful whore of a mother) being shown so symphateically that Lin is shown as being badwrong for how she's cross at her and Suyin (queen who runs a super city and is totally a stronk womin who Lin is mean to).

>elements originally given by sealion turtles so why the hell not can they give energy bending)

TLA established bending elements as learned from beasts (dragons, sky bison, badger-moles) or the skies above (moon). Which is suitable considering how many martial arts traditions are associated with beasts (see the crane stance in karate). Bryke must been trying to make up for the backlash against TLA's lion turtle granting Aang energybending by having them do so much in Beginnings.

>which is a traditionally catholic view of good vs evil. This shift is too much to overcome by simply retconning it, you'd need to undo every damn change they did and then you'd still wouldn't be done.

At the least, they could have said Raava and Vaatu started as one entity (the world's spirit).

>>1022002

Oh right him. LoK suffered from (among other things) having an overly large cast of characters with subplots and screentime. Him and Opal are good examples of this considering they never amounted to much for all the focus they had. TLA never waivered from how the show was ultimately about Aang (as the boy who restores the proper order) and Zuko (as a symphathetic villain) with other characters like the Water Siblings, Toph, Iroh all serving their roles but not supplanting the two. Iroh is especially relevant since while he's a stand-out character he's still Zuko's mentor and surrogate father. He's not like Tenzin with his family melodrama that ultimately was there to pad out Book Two and stain Aang's name.

>>1022003

Going from the way LoK treated the spirits invading the Human World and them squatting in it after Korra left the portals open (suggest Wan sending them back was badwrong and overall use spirits for a forced anti-segregation/pro-multiculturalism/pro-immigration morality play) combined with how the comics handled the Fire Nation colonies issue I wouldn't be surprised if it's said that the Fire Nation only went wrong with the genocide and banning gays (leaving their conquests and violation of the traditional seperation of the 4 Countries otheriwse not badwrong)

>>1021912

>The father represents any parent, or institution, or religion, or government that wants to prevent you (or me) from coming into our own and expressing who we truly are. This covers the gamut, from corporations not wanting employees to think outside the box, to a society that still isn’t entirely okay with gay marriage. They (the father figure) thinks they know best. They say they have your best interests at heart and they will protect you. But they are just fearful of what will happen when people are living their best lives. I think this part of the film got under my skin because I absolutely hate when someone assumes they know what is best for me.

A good authority figure prevents a youth from doing stupid, damaging and sometime irreversible actions, look at the outcome of kids raised by single mothers vs single fathers. I assume every parent would NOT want any of their offspring to repeat the mistakes they made in the past (Eg: not graduating school, getting knocked up at a young age, substance abuse, deliberate law breaking, etc).

Korra's father had her raised/trained in guarded isolation because the Red Lotus tried to kidnap her at a young age and her father wanted her to be protected, and is that a bad thing? When you only options are either a isolated trained Avatar for the next decade or a kidnapped and then possibly corrupted/dead child?

Sometimes some small freedom does get lost in process, but that can end up protecting the future. Maybe if their were more authority figures around to promote using protection for gay sex (or just not sleeping around with others so much), the AIDS epidemic wouldn't have been spread out of Africa to North America because of a gay flight attendant back in the 80's.

>Earthbender guy

>Only has Khora as an avatar spirit guide

>Seeing her recall her downward spiral of failures, ending with "Then I held my girlfriend's hand and we walked into the spirit gate together", makes him a bit jaded

>Earthbender Avatar-Punk

>Tons of Rock-and-Roll, with a little bit of Metalbending

>Friends are all some sort of delinquent

>A bunch of rowdy punks that accidentally save the world

>>1022047

>A good authority figure prevents a youth from doing stupid, damaging and sometime irreversible actions, look at the outcome of kids raised by single mothers vs single fathers. I assume every parent would NOT want any of their offspring to repeat the mistakes they made in the past (Eg: not graduating school, getting knocked up at a young age, substance abuse, deliberate law breaking, etc).

Bryke wouldn't agree with you going from the way LoK Books 3 to 4 handled the Toph/Lin/Suyin drama (which can be summed up as Toph being a whore who failed as a mother but we're supposed to side with her and Suyin against Lin, seeing Toph and Suyin as stronk indypandont womin who don need no men while Lin is just a bitter harpy who's mean to Suyin and Suyin's daughter).

>Korra's father had her raised/trained in guarded isolation because the Red Lotus tried to kidnap her at a young age and her father wanted her to be protected, and is that a bad thing? When you only options are either a isolated trained Avatar for the next decade or a kidnapped and then possibly corrupted/dead child?

Tonraq being blamed for Korra's seclusion is just a retcon Book Two introduced so that she could do her Anakin Skywalker impression with Unalaq as her Emperor Palpatine. The Red Lotus trying to kidnap her is yet another retcon that serves the role of hyping them up as a threat (complete with shoehorning Unalaq as a member).

The whole "White Lotus now effectively just serves Korra" is garbage anyway. Obvious failed fanservice (take the mysterious organization that stole the show at Ba Sing Se and make them into the Avatar's sidekicks).

>>1022058

>he and his friends defeat the villain by performing a synchronized musical act

oh shit, now I want this

>>1022071

>which can be summed up as Toph being a whore who failed as a mother

Toph going down that path always seemed strange, it could make sense from a "blind woman in a world with out sex ed" situation but ATLA showed that she was a human lie detector so wouldn't she have gotten settled down into a good relationship instead of ending with two one night stands resulting in two kids from different fathers? You would think after the first time it happened she wouldn't want to repeat it.

>The whole "White Lotus now effectively just serves Korra" is garbage anyway. Obvious failed fanservice (take the mysterious organization that stole the show at Ba Sing Se and make them into the Avatar's sidekicks).

One of things I hated about Korra, seemed like a lot of special benders/bending techniques became common place and became much weaker in the process, metalbending police force that just served as fodder, mysterious White Lotus became generic public guards, lightning bending as a job, Ty Lee's fighting style. At least Combustion Man's risky fire bending technique only got used by one individual.

>>1022058

Come to think of it, it would be very intriguing if the next avatar was a broken man. Since Aang and Korra's upbringings were good to questionable, and Aang had great friends who supported him along his journey, why not flip the script and have the next Avatar be traumatized, maybe because the next conqueror of his nation captured him when he was young and turned him into a living WMD against the other nations invading their country? He wouldn't lash out like Korra, or open like Aang, he'd just be quiet. He wouldn't know what to do in normal or social situations.

Then the new Team Avatar could be the polar opposite of their original namesake, in personalities and nations. Katara's counterpart, the next Avatar's love interest could be a hot manipulative gold digger a la Azula, using her charm and sexiness to exploit the Avatar and his sex-starved life for her own ends, encouraging him to embrace his more destructive tendencies like the Avatar state. Zuko's counterpart could be cool, calm, and collected. Perhaps he's sent out to rescue, and train the Avatar to be more spiritual, but suppresses his own emotions and hides his contempt for everyone beneath his level of spirituality. Sokka's counterpart could already be the best soldier and strategist of his nation, but he's too good and commits a few war crimes, which gets him dishonorably discharged. With nothing else to do, he goes along with the new Avatar on his journey. Lastly, Toph's counterpart could be an audience surrogate for returning fans, idealistic, selfless, thinking that love and peace are easy solutions. She would face the grim reality when she discovers that the new Team Avatar are more than willing to kill, en masse if they have to, albeit, in self-defense, and that her nation was corrupted and gave up non-violence. She may not be the last air bender, but she is one of the last true ones, and living in this cold hearted world might break her.

Even a modicum of this is too much of a pipedream for the studios and rightsholders, should there be a third series. We can't see the full extent of bending damage, that's just too violent. And we can't have the protagonists be self-serving, undergo negative character development, or make evil decisions which happen to be best ones for themselves, or be anything other than selfless goody-two shoeses. There's a reason Zuko is considered the best character of the franchise, and this show could desperately use more characters fundamentally like him, characters who aren't contrived selfless robots for the audience to "relate" to.

>>1022058

>>1022182

Setting

>3rd Avatar series set in the 90's, with the very early internet. Tech has advanced but mostly everything else is analogue tech. Bending has been reduced in know how because why fire bend when you can just have a flame thrower? Tech can compensate for it.

>Korra basically vanished (into the spirit world) after the event of TLoK Book 4 (or the comics), the next 70-ish years of her existence are basically nothing notable, shows up once every decade to take care of threat and then buggers off

>Asami did the same thing, even historians blur her together with Korra and mistakenly think they are one person (Asami's company moves into new ownership by other individuals obviously if she not there for it.)

>Korra is such a recluse no one even knows if she is dead (or if she ever had kids). Because she could show up any day now (remember Kyoshi lived for 240 years) so no one bothers searching for a new Avatar because she MAY be alive still but since this is a third series she has been unknowingly dead for the past 18 years to the public

New team Avatar

>The new earthbending is Avatar is the son of two wealthy loving parents who both started from the bottom and worked their way up to create their own wealthy companies (then merged into one). Both families have a history of non-benders and that has given them a "do the best with what you got mentality"

>Has a great knowledge of business thanks to his wonderful parents and is expected to take it over some day

>One day he starts hearing voices in his head and starts having strange dreams. At the time he doesn't know it but it's Korra.

>Said dream causes him accidentally earthbend in his sleep, collapsing his family mansion and putting his folks into comas, when a fire breaks out he accidentally waterbends to extinguish it, thus leading to the revaluation that he is the Avatar (and Korra is dead)

>Not wanting to be a target (or made publicly famous) since he the Avatar, he lies to his insurance that the house collapsed because of earthquake damage and they believe him

>Instead of going around the world and meeting various bending master to learn, his secret bending training involves him watching large amount of "how to bend" VHS tapes (in the style of 80's workout videos) in the privacy of his mansion

>The only person who knows the truth is his best friend, a 80's style young hacker (think the main character from Wargames) who skills also include phreaking (capable of re-creating those phone sound tones, that could switch calls from the phone handset, allowing free calls to be made around the world) which saves money when you own a business or ordering goods long distance

>While phreaking is done with sound, maybe the Avatar universe version could be done with manipulating electricity like miniature lightning bending so his friend is a fire bender

>Rival companies (including Sato Industries and Cabbage Corp) now attack his family company more aggressively since the youth is in charge

>This includes black market crime stuff or possible manipulation of the stock market

>By day he poses as a teenage non-bender (to fool insurance and everyone else) while running the family business (with his hacker friend helping him along the way to save costs) and using his vast money to solve problems (might buy out a bunch of low life thugs from going into crime and get them proper jobs)

>By night he (and occasionally his friend) don a disguise and using their bending skills (one at a time to avoid being seen as the Avatar) to fight crime and whatever corruption he faces

>While occasionally being nagged by spirit guide old lady Korra that whatever actions he does is "wrong" (There would be a recurring joke that she can't understand anything about 90's era tech, internet, is that something for fishing? Stock market? What type of plant stalks are they selling to make them so costly? Wipe a computer hard drive? Like with a cloth?).

>Unlike the previous series this version of the Avatar is not public but is a Avatar in hiding who must bring balance to this new world not in the light but hidden in the shadows

I'll admit I partially based this off the joke idea I had a few months ago of business tycoon teen Trump as the Avatar (who favors fighting with defensive walls of earth) with his lightning bending) best friend Pence (who dislikes the lifestyle that Korra and Asami have).

>>1022172

>Toph going down that path always seemed strange, it could make sense from a "blind woman in a world with out sex ed" situation but ATLA showed that she was a human lie detector so wouldn't she have gotten settled down into a good relationship instead of ending with two one night stands resulting in two kids from different fathers? You would think after the first time it happened she wouldn't want to repeat it.

How LoK handled Toph is out of character with her character arc, which had her learn that while one shouldn't be smothered and hidden away it's not shameful to be supported by friends/family with you supporting them. It comes off as more inspired by the fandom/meme Toph than what TLA did with her. Now she's some whore who neglected her kids (with one of them being suspiciously Water Tribe looking), dumped one of them off on her mother instead of disciplining her herself, and guilt Lin up when she confronts her over her poor parenting (saying that Lin can hate her if it makes her happy, like Lin's just a big meanie who's mean to cool old hag Toph).

It gets worse noticing how Lin is repeatedly framed as in the wrong for her attitude towards Suyin and Toph. She's painted as Tenzin's scorned woman (with who won't "change" (despite being the only one of the Beifong Trio who has something like a character arc with her attitude to her sister shifting) with Korra and Suyin both bringing up Tenzin leaving her (the first came right after Lin was a mean meaniehead to her niece). When Suyin does apologize to her sister, she does it for giving her "a hard time as a kid", like all she did was pull pranks on her or take the last pizza slice instead of helping rob a bank and scar her sister while doing it.

Lastly, Toph being a Yoda wannabe didn't suit her at all. She wasn't known for being spiritual in TLA. She dismissed spiritual matters. Which fit her as someone from the Earth Kingdom.

>One of things I hated about Korra, seemed like a lot of special benders/bending techniques became common place and became much weaker in the process, metalbending police force that just served as fodder, mysterious White Lotus became generic public guards, lightning bending as a job, Ty Lee's fighting style. At least Combustion Man's risky fire bending technique only got used by one individual.

They warped bending, treating less like each land's magical martial art tradition and more like mutant superpowers. They had lightning bending for electric power to once again make the setting too much like the 20th Century West.

>>1022257

The only option to continue from Korra that would salvage the brand would be having Avatarworld fall into a dark age after an apocalypse (spirits, spirit nukes, Kuvira's army on the march) wrecks the continent, then a team of humans and spirits (with a post-Korra Avatar among them working to fix Korra's mistakes) get most of the spirits back in their world and close the portals before burning any evidence of them.

Enough time passes that a certain level of civilization is restored, but the technology in LoK is just about gone. The loss in information will be used to cast doubt on LoK's events.

>>1021444

I always wondered if bending had a genetic element to it. Like yes there's the martial arts aspect but it seems to show up in certain people like Katara getting bending yet Sokka doesn't.

>>1021483

So how would you explain her bending more than one element if she isn't the avatar?

>>1022002

Honestlly, I forgot about him.

>>1022257

Oh yeah I remember your joke post. I wonder how the aesthetic of the world would look like? Would it look like Metal Slug or something?

>>1022469

There was both a blood part and spiritual part to bending. Sokka wasn't one for spirituality (see his attitude towards the fortuneteller) while Katara was (hence her being able to see the Painted Lady). It was even said in an interview with Bryke that Air Nomads having only benders among them was from how small their population was and how spiritual they were.

>>1021759

>which is a traditionally catholic view of good vs evil.

Would people stop saying this shit? It isn't even a classically western view it is a modern libshit view. In Christianity God is omnipotent, he doesn't even try to fight evil because it is part of his creation there is no conflict really as evil is just flailing impotently at an impassable bulwark and cannot win. It can however destroy and debase much while it loses. There is no "balance" the utter victory of God is a forgone conclusion.

If anything it is a little more like Zoroastrianism or some of the Gnostic shit. But even that is a stretch. What it is really is a modern libshit conceit wherein the evil destructive force is constantly stopped by good, this is also claimed to be balanced even though it isn't while the leftist hypocritically demands that "evil" never be allowed to triumph. "Everything needs balance guise" but "we can never let those ebil nazis win".

The reason the entire situation seems nonsensical without any real relationship to yin and yang(wherein the colors and sexes of the pair are reversed and actually balanced) or Christianity(wherein evil is highly destructive but always crushed underfoot and not an existential threat), or any form of classical theism(wherein evil is more personal) is because it is based on nonsensical and internally inconsistent modern crap to begin with. The hypocritical leftists who wrote the thing merely projected what was in their own heads. Hence why Raava always winning doesn't cause the world to be overwhelmed by creative force and burn itself out while Vaatu winning immediately causes destruction and decay, while balance is never actually achieved since they don't fight forever but rather one explicitly wins over the other.

These faggots want to have their moral cake and eat it too, but they can't bake a fucking cake and just steal slices from everybody elses' cakes and then put a faggot wedding cap on top while calling it their own.

On the topic of yin and yang, I think leftists can't handle the idea of woman being on side of "dark" so they made Raava yang. Even though the "dark" and "light" in of yin and yang really just sound like it meant to be night and day (balanced and following one another) instead being evil side and good side.

>>1022469

>I wonder how the aesthetic of the world would look like? Would it look like Metal Slug or something?

I just though it would the 90's level of tech and design.

Unfortunately that brings up the question of would their be satellites, space shuttle and other space tech since it's post 60's space race? Does bending work in space? Would there be stupid way to make an orbital bending weapon? If a waterbender landed on the moon would they be super powered? Or could this whole issue be ignored?

>>1025686

> "Good and Evil" can be within them as complimentary forces needed for the world

>needed

Evil is by definition something that should never happen

>>1021257

>Is it going to be a Diverse and Communistic paradise until the Nazi fire nation attacks?

< Lesbians

< Gays

< Bisexuals

< Transgenders

< Long ago, the four genders lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Nazi Nation attacked. Only the Avatar, masteX of all four faggotries, could stop them, but when the world needed xem most, xe vanished. A hundred years passed and my gender-nonspecific sibling and I discovered the new Avatar, a genderbender named Aang. And although xir genderbending skills are great, xe has a lot to learn before xe's ready to pozz anyone. But I believe Aang can pozz the world.

>>1025694

Then by definition, creation should have never happened

>>1025690

>Evil is by definition something that should never happen

Is that an ethical point as in "no child should starve" or "no one should have to be poor", or a metaphysical point as in "a triangle shouldn't have 4 sides" . Cause I have a feeling you're confusing the two.

>>1025703

The 'tldr' is "there wasn't a choice in the matter". Shit happens. How you deal with it is up to you. Can't make an omelet without breaking an egg.

>>1022257

Sounds like capeshit. Hard pass.

Just burn Hollywood and Netflix to the ground already… There's no saving media at this point. Independent indie shit is the only thing worth a damn anymore.

>>1025890

>>1028045

Course we gotta do comics in as well. It's an industry that's refused worthwhile actual change must to their own detriment as a business.

I hope they set it before Wan and make it really uncomfortable with how spirits are the stand-in for illegal immigrants and the lion turtles are white enclaves that should be destroyed.

>>1021312

>The show having too many zany comic relief kid/manchild characters (Bolin, Meelo, Bumi, Varrick) Jar-Jaring around

They needed them so actual children will watch

>>1022257

>his secret bending training involves him watching large amount of "how to bend" VHS tapes (in the style of 80's workout videos) in the privacy of his mansion

Love this bit

>(might buy out a bunch of low life thugs from going into crime and get them proper jobs)

One of these thugs need to become a member of the new "Gaang"

It will be made exclusively with progressiveness in mind, and that means it will be absolute fucking shit.

>>1025849

Eastern philosophy is horrendous, I don't see how any one can support the 'there is no evil' as if it's some calming peaceful truth or with a straight face.

It reminds me of every athiest platitude about death being meaningless and not something to be afraid of, not to say that those statements can't be true but those aren't statements or beliefs I'd classify as peaceful or calming. Death can't be trivial without murder being trivial, and considering the only suffering you can have is while you're alive it becomes prudent to euthanize victims with psychological scars. Murder/suicide would be a 100% effective therapy treatment and rapists would be more evil to leave their victims alive. And theories like the circle of violence can justify the euthanization of child rape victims to eliminate the incidence of them becoming molestors themselves. Of course most 'evil deniers' would be appalled by these scenarios but their feelings and reactions oppose their belief.

I hate that zen saying about not being concerned about the broken cup because it would always end up broken, if you killed the speakers mother in front of them would they say it's just as well because she was always going to die? It's almost as bad as people saying life only has meaning and is special because it's short, if they invented biological immortality none of those retards would stick to their guns and if you killed your child because you wanted them to have an exceptionally special and meaningful existence they'd be mortified.

>>1023749

>>1025655

>>1025686

>>1025849

>>1028413

Honestly, this discussion reminds me a lot of how the Force is seen in Star Wars. Originally, it was manichean where the light side was natural and the dark side a perversion that needed to be destroyed. The destruction of the darkside brought balance. Only later did they do this thing where Dark side and Light side must co-exist for their to be balance. It gets weird.

>>1031988

And none of those are things you need given the choice. I.e. you shouldn't make them happen.

Avatar: Cyberpunk 2077. Can't wait to see it! They can't really go to the past since they fucked that story up, unless, they make the first time travatar to go back in time to correct the "mistakes" of the previous avatars of generations past.

>>1028413

Good and evil are subjective. If it wasn't then what would be coincided good or bad would be universal, unchanging and no debate would even be had about it.

Objective morality and moral absolutism are part of the problem in this world and the source of much misery.

>>1032005

A Buddha would tell you you're trapped in delusion.

>>1032070

A Buddha could suck my dick, and then I'd kill him because he needs it :^)

>>1032017

That sounds like it would create more problems than it would solve tbh.

>>1032036

Just out of curiosity do you think morality is like a spectrum for different cultures? Like there's a lot of things that some cultures consider moral and immoral that differ from one another. But other things like murder and stealing seem to be condemned by most cultures.

>>1021263

>and retcon Korra out of existence

But Whorra erased Aang quite literally from existence already in a gay attempt at edginess.

>>1032036

>>1032163

Moral relativism is also a massively flawed fallacy, especially when it applies to cultural norms. It's extremely easy to see what behaviors are prevalent in a thriving nation versus which behaviors are prevalent in a third-world country.

>>1032163

>Just out of curiosity do you think morality is like a spectrum for different cultures? Like there's a lot of things that some cultures consider moral and immoral.

Yes I do. Otherwise what's considered rude in one culture would be rude in all cultures.

>>1032285

>The morality required to run a successful civilization isn't a lot,

Hold that thought.

>the mayans regularly sacrificed people,

Their civilization was in perpetual stagnation.

>the romans threw babies into rivers or into the trash

The infanticide of rome myth is a myth repeated throughout history because of its shock value and not because there is sufficient evidence of it being a regular or uncommon practice.

>while egyptians found it horrific, and people commonly cite the millions killed by commies.

It goes without saying that communism is a scam and thus the millions they've killed is only typical.

>Morality as a subset of pragmatic survival or even civilization growth is always limited, not to mention the gold standard of morality is the opposite of this position that you would do something good because it is good and not for reward (otherwise if no one is looking why not do what you want?).

The point is being missed here. It's obvious that the socieities and civilizations of the past and today that have thrived the most have been the ones that adhere to a moral code, whether it is written or not. Using the mayans as an example of a successful civilization is a terrible example because their civilization was one on freefall and compared to the rest of the world at the time, they achieved very little. The adopted practice of ritual sacrifice coincides with their stagnation in development. It's no wonder they stayed in a perpetual neolithic period.

>>1032268

>they erased aang so korra could be challenged

Really? It didn't remove the avatar state and she never really talked to her past lives anyway.

Maybe write a better main character next time.

if the fights and lore are good then IDGAF, make it

>>1021242

FUCK NO!!! if these retards are going to shit out another failed abortion let them ruin whatever garbage comes after Korra and let us pretend that the og series is it's universe.

>>1021241

that's not even the worst of it

>>1021241

Can't kill it any more…

Komm, süßer Tod [Come, Sweet Death]

bump

Avatar Brand has been bad to meh more than it's been good. Even TLA was just meh at best in Book 3 (Aang becoming a repugnant character, energybending)

>>1046166

Don't forget that anticlimactic final fight.

>>1021241

Piss off Mr Enter.

>>1046874

>shitskin

Fuck off racemixer.

>>1046874

Yes but it's like Haydee. The creators struck gold with the design and then stopped generating anything of value.

>>1046176

>you have to be mr enter to think that whorra is shit

>>1046929

>shitskin

We need to ban racemixers

>>1047051

Piss off leftypol.

>>1047066

>he doesn't like korra porn

Found the gay

>>1047265

>being a goon/cuckchaner

Fuck off to cuckchan already.

>>1022001

I'll still never understand how they forgot Sozin and Roku grew up together. Do writers not keep track of their own lore?

>>1047347

Selling out is more profitable than being a nerd who values their own creations, duh

>>1046874

Only if she's a slave to be fucked straight back to get rid of all the dyke faggotry that she became, seriously not only will she be known as the worst Avatar who ever lived but the one that pushed political agendas.

>>1031961

Star Wars retconned the shit out of the Dark Side to the extent where you now have actual Sith Lords in canon who did charity work and shit and never committed an evil act in their life while fully immersed in it. It's fucking bizarre, it started with that horseshit in Timothy Zahn's novels where Mara Jade lectures Luke on being too closed off to and ignorant of the Dark Side and then went all the way to the prequels where it flat out becomes some bastardization of ying-yan, but they also want to have their cake and eat it too, hence why the Dark Side is a necessary balancing force that only embodies passion, lust and all that stuff while not being truly evil…despite 99% of its practitioners being murderous psychopaths and Sith indoctrination methods being basically child abuse. Oh and 90% of Dark Side powers are explicitly aimed at causing death and destruction.

As another anon brought up before, this is nothing else than neo-Western "Buddhism" concepts married with the traditional "good vs. evil" with leftist ideals sprinkled in. As expected, it's a complete moral shitshow.

>>1032297

>Their civilization was in perpetual stagnation.

Mayan civilization was actually doing quite well for itself before the Aztecs. Who also sacrificed people and built a fairly thriving empire.

>The infanticide of rome myth is a myth repeated throughout history because of its shock value and not because there is sufficient evidence of it being a regular or uncommon practice.

It's not a myth but the practice was eventually abandoned by the Romans.

>It's obvious that the socieities and civilizations of the past and today that have thrived the most have been the ones that adhere to a moral code, whether it is written or not.

No, the civilizations and societies that thrive most are ones that have jackboot-enforced laws that are forced upon civilians so much that they become the norm. "Universal moral standards" have nothing to do with it.

>>1051649

The first couple of comics were decent.

>>1051686

Hey look a mobile poster.

>>1051685

What? You realize the point of Mara is that's she's wrong and only ever knew the dark side?

As for the prequels bringing "balance", the prequels era Jedi had their heads too far up their ass and Luke's new order did not. It's not just that the chosen one needs to destroy the dark side, but fix the light by ridding it of its prejudiced. This is expanded on greatly in the Expanded Universe.

>>1021241

Unless the Mission Hill writer comes back idgaf.

>>1051697

>What? You realize the point of Mara is that's she's wrong and only ever knew the dark side?

Someone should have told that to later Star Wars writers, including Zahn, because they sure as shit didn't seem to think so. If anything, there were at least separate occasions where Luke got schooled by Mara on the Force because of how "limited" his knowledge was.

>As for the prequels bringing "balance", the prequels era Jedi had their heads too far up their ass and Luke's new order did not. It's not just that the chosen one needs to destroy the dark side, but fix the light by ridding it of its prejudiced. This is expanded on greatly in the Expanded Universe.

Nigger, the prequels and EU material based in that era FLAT OUT state that the Light and the Dark Sides must be constantly balanced lest one of them overtake the universe or something. Hence, Anakin's destiny to purge the Jedi Order was not because they were a bunch of sanctimonious dickweeds but because there was so fucking many of them as opposed to the Sith that the Light was overpowering the balance of the Force.

Unsurprisingly, no Star Wars writer has ever actually bothered to explain why an excess of Light Side of the Force is a bad thing, probably because they realized that it was a fucking stupid concept to begin with.

>>1053439

>at least three separate occasions

Fixed.

>>1053421

Ehasz? I think he's busy with Dragon Prince.

>>1053507

Is Dragon Prince even worth watching? The trailer seemed generic and boring as fuck but Ehasz is decent writer at least. Though he has the opposite problem to Bryke - zero imagination but a good handle on what makes good writing. He needs to get paired up with idea guys to make something truly great.

>>1053529

It's somewhat decent. Not as good as ATLA but better than Korra. The setting is generic though. Katolis is your generic Medieval European fantasy setting and the humor can get a little bit cringy at times. Still his writing can make it work somewhat.

>>1053529

Watchable if you can stomach poz.

>>1053439

>Unsurprisingly, no Star Wars writer has ever actually bothered to explain why an excess of Light Side of the Force is a bad thing, probably because they realized that it was a fucking stupid concept to begin with.

Why do Westerners do this?

>>1053544

>>1053585

Are you sure there's actually poz in this show, or have you just trained yourself to see poz in everything?

You can't go through life being too woke or you'll actually be living in They Live.

>>1055437

They have the humans use dark magic in an obvious analogue of White/Western technology that kills trees. With the elves noble savages who banish all of humans in an act framed as warranted to a point.

>>1055461

Sounds like basic storytelling tropes that go all the way back to Tolkien.

>>1021376

>which as already pointed out did too much for the technology jump to be believable

It's not just the jump in technology, it's the style. Why the hell did everything in LoK change from looking Oriental to looking Occidental? There aren't any Europeans in the Avatar world to influence or dominate the Asian cultures.

>>1055482

>trying this hard to be contrary

>>1055484

Real reason is because Bryke wanted to do 1920's New York with Chinese aesthetic. In canon reason: None that I can tell. It's also a shame since you could've done some creative things with the architecture combined with new steampunk technology.

>>1047276

Fuck back to R3ddit,you stupid niggerfaggot poltard.

>Ehsasz wanted an Azula redemption arc that would have taken place in an extra season that was foiled because muh M. Night

https://archive.vn/uYWQr

https://archive.vn/OdPn0

>>1055633

You never really see an impressive, interesting use of steampunk anywhere outside of maybe a few Japanese RPGs. The initial spectacle of some of the cool imagery is about as far as the worldbuilding goes before it's completely forgotten. Outside of a few gears and steam pipes scattered around and a liberal use of the color brown, it's played with very little.

>>1055732

If it was anything like the comic, it would have started off fairly interesting and started to crash and burn the longer it went on. So it was for the best.

>>1055732

I'm not surprised since the franchise by LoK's era never settled what Azula's final fate was. I've seen theories that the Fire Sage who Korra talked to was Azula but that's just fanfic. It's embarrassingly obvious that the team just didn't know what to do with her for Korra. Same goes for Sokka especially with how Suyin and her son look suspiciously Water Tribe looking.

>>1055754

I mean, it told us Toph was a slut and neglectful mom who just dumped her criminal kid off on grandma instead of disciplining her herself. With that in mind, Sokka having bastard children also Toph is suitable enough.

>>1055753

>I'm not surprised since the franchise by LoK's era never settled what Azula's final fate was. I've seen theories that the Fire Sage who Korra talked to was Azula but that's just fanfic.

People talked about how Asami was originally suppose to be a badguy and I thought of a compromise which involved the brainwashing technique from Ba Sing Se. Azula would appear in the end to mentally rehabilitate Asami giving the viewers hope that Asami could recover.

>>1055461

>They have the humans use dark magic in an obvious analogue of White/Western technology that kills trees.

So they're ripping off the Dark Sun setting.

>>1053439

>Nigger, the prequels and EU material based in that era FLAT OUT state that the Light and the Dark Sides must be constantly balanced lest one of them overtake the universe or something. Hence, Anakin's destiny to purge the Jedi Order was not because they were a bunch of sanctimonious dickweeds but because there was so fucking many of them as opposed to the Sith that the Light was overpowering the balance of the Force.

I heard someone explain that the Jedi are like antibodies and the Sith inherently represent imbalance. The Darkside represents necessary evils like death and the Jedi are only suppose to act if the balance is broken. Like antibodies, the Jedi can overreact but the main point is the Sith isn't necessary for balance. I don't know how canon that is but Star Wars is a mismanaged IP so who gives a shit.

>>1021241

its a tranny avatar this time.

>>1061334

It'd be better if Kuvira didn't have her rightful kill stolen and actually slew Korra in their duel. She'd proceed to not go full cartoon villain and maintain her rule over the EK.

>>1061350

The fuck?

>>1061350

Genocide and global conquest are small potatoes, the real issue is who gets a public ceremony in honor of their decision to fuck each other.

The next avatar was supposed to be an Earthbender. With how shit Korra was as both a person and an avatar we could have had an "earth punk" avatar. All about Rock-and-roll with a little metalbending in there. Basically the earthbender sees the only avatar before him now: khora. He realizes exactly how shit things are and just kind of does his own thing. Similar to Aang but less out of an unwilling to be an avatar but a quick and heavy disillusionment of what the avatar is because his only example to draw on is Korra. The rest of the series is basically him bumming around the four nations, slowly learning what the avatar was before, and reconnecting with the cycle proper.

But knowing Bryke it'll be some tranny or one of those "Creeping crystals" introduced in the comics. Or a nigger since they're a thing now.

>>1047457

I'll just leave this here https://pastebin.com/AvW35U8u

>>1056179

Reminds me of the guy that did the Darth Kreia video. He goes a lot into the philosophies of the Jedi and Sith. He also shits on the Grey Jedi.

>>1061515

Your idea sounds a lot better.

Personally, I just wish they would stop with the Avatar world already. They already fucked it up and they should just move on.

>>1061350

>>1061502

Seeing as how Bryke has decided to blab about everyone sexuality now, I wonder if they will rewrite this into the Netflix ATLA remake.

The 4 nations lived together in harmony, then everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked and also stopped gay relationships in the process

Welcome to Kyoshi bIsland, home of Avatar Kyoshi. Bi the way did we mention she was bi? Lived for 240 years and was totally bi the entire time throughout those progressive, progressive centuries. Oh, your leaving? Bi, bi then.

>>1061350

>>1061560

Speaking of this disaster pile, someone has a new video out for those too disgusted to read this shit.

>>1061593

Same basic thing!

>>1061593

Of course he does. He's an Oriental. They don't treat "sin" in the same way as Occidentals do.

See, Orientals treat homosexuality sinfully in the meaning of failing to fulfill your duty to your kin, town, and volk. Like the Greeks and Romans did contrary to memes. Not so much in it being innately polluted.

>>1061552

>Reminds me of the guy that did the Darth Kreia video. He goes a lot into the philosophies of the Jedi and Sith. He also shits on the Grey Jedi.

You mean that guy with a blank name in YouTube? He also thinks that Last Jedi was thematically consistent with Star Wars while saying nothing about the quality.

Like I said in a different thread, I didn't think that LoK was bad idea from the start. Honestly, I would have made Amon entity like the Shredder (TMNT 2004). I would have address it how A:tLA had spiritual non-benders like the Guru to say that bending ≠ spirituality.

>>1021241

I wouldn't mind a 3rd series….if it's not made by those two chucklefucks. Hell..I can come up with a better plot for a third series.

I'd make sure everything Korra had accomplished blew up on her face. Opened spirit portals? Now evil spirits are crossing over and attacking people or worse, manipulating events. Equalists? Came back stronger with the real Amon. And what's worse….the new Avatar only has her as a guide and connection now that Korra inadvertently screws over the new guy's life (for instance, since Korra's the only past life left, the new guy in Avatar state is more destructive and accidentally nuked his hometown when he was a kid and now he's afraid of bending for fear of going overboard)

>>1061593

How can a thought be bad if it never translates into action?

>>1051697

>the prequels era Jedi had their heads too far up their ass

The only thing the prequel era Jedi did wrong was second-guess their doctrines and let that basket case Anakin get trained as a Jedi even through Mace Dindu and Yoda called how he would fall to the dark side when he was only 9.

>>1061535

>still no title

My nomination: Korra Gets Checked

>>1061565

E;R videos are really the only good thing to come out of Korra.

>>1061664

Signal Boosting's all Bryke's got

>>1061668

This. Even the porn is shit.

>>1061616

>You mean that guy with a blank name in YouTube?

Yeah that's the guy. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt on the last jedi since he said it rejects the grey jedi mentality. Granted it was poorly done but it at least did that.

>making Amon like the 2004 Shredder

So would it be like a spirit using a mechanical body as a host? Like Ch'rell did?

>>1061617

Hell, I'd make the Equalist made a come back what with the real Amon, hauling the corpse of Noatak and Tarrlok, and the Equalist Lieutenant has been working with the real Amon all along.

>>1061758

The Equalists made a comeback in the game. You can be forgiven for not knowing since it wasn't brought up in the show or comics.

>>1061739

I get his arguments but he simply picking and choosing certain aspects of the Last Jedi to make his point. He basically said that there are two interpretation of balance in Star Wars: one where the Sith represent imbalance (which is the perspective of the OT, the PT, and KotOR2); and the other where the Jedi and the Sith are needed for balance (some of EU and the Clone Wars cartoons). However both perspectives can be interpreted to be in the movies. In the OT, Luke only beat and redeem Darth Vader by going against Jedi teachings. In PT, there is the "Anakin bringing balance to the Force." thing. The Last Jedi is too much of a fucking mess to have coherent message. If we assume that tLJ wasn't a first draft with a bunch of last minute changes (which are made for reasons outside of writing a good story like subverting expectations or social justice); then it was saying that blind faith and obedience are good traits. There is also all that talk about destroying both the Jedi and the Sith and joining forces.

Honestly, having a sense of justice is actually a negative trait for a Jedi. I do like how he shat on the "enlighten centrist" grey Jedi. Westerners (most of them) just can't get how Ying and Yang aren't about good and evil. Changing it to Law and Chaos only helps a little; but considering how retards keep arguing how D&D alignment works, it might be worse in someways. LG isn't "muh moralfag/rules are rules" and CG isn't "do whatever I want as long as I can justify it for greater good". Not to mention that Leftists still think that they are "fighting the man".

>>1061739

>So would it be like a spirit using a mechanical body as a host? Like Ch'rell did?

I meant how TMNT 2003 had 3-4 different people taking the title of Shredder. I guess the first Amon would be a self hating blood bender except he really did meet a spirit. He would never blow his cover and he would only lose to Korra because he refused to use his bending aside from removing people's bending and fighting his brother. Amon would be a spirit that lends its power to certain humans with strong convictions and spiritual powers. Amon would have access to memories of its "past lives" and learn what went wrong all to form a counter philosophy to the Avatar.

>>1061759

There was a game?

>>1061762

It was pretty bad.

>>1061758

Another addition? Earth Empire Remnants led by basically the Earthbender equivalent of Big Boss.

>>1061786

Reminder Korra turned Flameo into a slur.

>>1061761

That Amon idea sounds pretty cool.

>>1061908

Having one spirit who jumps around hosts stealing from them is a more suitable direction for an anti-Avatar than what was actually done, yeah.

Honestly, I think Amon was fine as what he was initially presented as, which is a cool non-bender with a mysterious ability to remove bending that would lead into a greater mystery/conspiracy. The Equalists already set up the perfect conflict in terms of the old spiritual ways vs. the new technological revolution, you didn't really need more than that. I'd just make him and the Equalists the main villains of the whole show, because four villains, three of which are shit and generic, isn't enough for four, 13-episode seasons. Also, I think you need to show the Equalists winning a LOT at the start, because they start out as the underdogs. In order to present Amon as a viable threat, you need to show him as a strategic genius and a keen physical badass, who can outwit and outfight many opponents who seemingly outclass him. Hell, I'd probably end Book 1 with the Equalists conquering Republic City after driving Korra and Team Avatar, as well as other "survivors" out.

Maybe even subvert expectations by having Korra FINALLY achieve spiritual balance to learn airbending and enter the Avatar State, but then have Amon's tactical acumen and the Equalists' technological genius kick her ass anyway while she's in God-mode, thus raising the stakes - this is not a villain that Korra can simply whip around with the Avatar State and the Equalists are a far greater threat than anyone ever imagined. There is no need to have multiple Amons or whatever. Just one guy who is a terrifying genius with a technologically advanced army and vast spiritual knowledge that could be used to explore the origins of bending and the Avatar world while staying CONSISTENT with what was previously established, whose origins are a mystery that slowly get uncovered along with the true threat to our heroes and the world.

Also, fucking SHOW non-benders being oppressed. I suppose jobs like policework being seemingly limited to benders is an example but you had the perfect tool for that - Tarrlok. Instead of whatever bullshit we got with him as Noatak's brother, expand on his asshole behavior towards non-benders as the perfect way to play into Amon's hands. I'd still have him be seemingly killed at the end of Book 1 after the Equalists take over - Amon parades Tarrlok in front of the non-bending citizens that he tormented, Tarrlok starts spewing generic villain threats at Amon, who doesn't react and just calmly pushes him into the angry crowd. Cut to Amon walking away with Tarrlok's screams and the crowd's shouting in the background as it's implied he basically gets torn apart.

>>1061924

You still have to deal with how lots of non-benders are related to benders, or friends. Have to isolate benders from non-benders, believably, somehow.

>>1061909

Three of the four villains in LoK are attempt at anti-avatars with the dark avatar bullshit being the worst. Amon's plan was stupid. There is way too much wrong with the dark avatar.

The Red Lotus wanting to kidnap Korra made sense but Zaheer wanting to permanently kill the avatar was just raising the stakes for no reason. They tried to force Kuvira to be some kind of foil to Korra but that was so hamfisted.

>>1061924

>Also, fucking SHOW non-benders being oppressed.

They instituted a curfew to non-benders and banned the teaching of chi-blocking.

Honestly, Amon's plan wouldn't fucking work considering not even Energy Bending stop Yakone from fathering two blood bending kids. I would have presented him to be a more grey villain that only seeks to present the hypocrisies of Republic City or a genuine madman blinded by hatred in my Shredder Amon idea. Honestly, I was almost expecting the crowd to turn against Amon when he shown Tenzin's family in chains because it was implied that people were still more loyal to Aang. I think the Equalists took over the city too easily and I thought that the masks would make most of the Equalists unpersecutable. I would have let the Equalists disappear into the crowd after Amon "martyrs" himself allowing one of future cast members to be an Ex-Equalist. Asami would later be brainwashed by bringing back repressed memories and using that technique from Basingsei.

>>1061928

I felt like the problem was non-benders in Republic City are not connected to their ancestral home like the benders are. A non-bender in the Fire Nation was still part of the Fire Nation.

Avatar was always shit

>>1061924

>four villains, three of which are shit and generic, isn't enough for four, 13-episode seasons.

I'd just consolidate the four into two. We don't need both Amon and Kuvira since both of them have themes of machinery and being "modern." Both Unalaq and Zaheer are "spiritual" villains who dabble in forbidden or lost bending. There's a rather notable problem where Legend of Korra had an overly large cast of characters with too many overlapping ("Do we need both Asami and non-villain Varrick?").

>>1061928

The comics have stealth retconned in hostility between benders and non-benders back in Aang's day.

>>1061931

>Three of the four villains in LoK are attempt at anti-avatars with the dark avatar bullshit being the worst.

All of the big villians were supposed to challenge some part of Korra. Amon was Korra the Bender, Unalaq was Korra the Bridge Between Human and Spirit, Zaheer Korra the Air Nomad (if only by blood), Kuvira was Korra as an Enforcer of Balance.

>They tried to force Kuvira to be some kind of foil to Korra but that was so hamfisted.

She was an incoherent character yeah.

>benders and non-benders

They were just trying to do a fantasy wacis/classism story with the Equalists as a stand in for Commies/Klansmen/Mutie Haters.

>>1061951

this but unironically

>>1061961

http://atla.avatarspirit.net/news.php?id=821

>When Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Toph return to Earthen Fire Industries–the factory owned by Toph’s father–Team Avatar finds that the once small town is now booming. Expecting a warm welcome, Aang is surprised when their arrival is met with unimpressed, cold-shouldered spectators. As soon as the team is asked for help at a business council meeting, the reason for the slight becomes clear–a massive bender versus non-bender conflict has gripped the town and is threatening to turn violent.

>There’s something fishy going on in Cranefish Town, and it’s up to Aang, Katara, Sokka, and Toph to find out what, before the simmering conflict between benders and non-benders boils over into all-out war. But danger lurks where they least expect it, and uncovering the truth will reveal a threat unlike any they’ve ever faced–and a fateful choice for Aang he can never unmake!

It really ends up making Amon/Naotak less special if the Anti-Bending Movement predates him all the way to Aang's time.

>>1061961

Looks like they're trying to pull a George Lucas.

>>1062214

They must have noticed the criticism that Amon's movement had (there was not enough conflict between benders and non-benders in TLA alongside LoK for his following to believable). So they went and inserted bender against bender relations into 100 Year War expanded universe. The comic where Northern Water Tribe representatives visit the South one even had the brother yap about technology making non-benders able to challenge benders.

>>1062219

The only time I can think of something being a bender vs anti-bender thing was in season 2 where you have the Earth Kingdom soldiers bullying the villagers and Zuko steps in. But, even then that wasn't solely bender vs anti-bender it was just those soldiers being dicks.

>>1062413

What about the time when Zuko tried to impress his dad with his swordmanship but he clearly only gave a shit about Azula's fire bending? Or when Toph jokingly did count Sokka as someone who can fight? I'm sure that there is some animosity between benders and non-benders.

I think that the writers forgot that the bender population was just naturally very small. It is also how much that they buffed benders. Lightning bending was rare. Healing was generally a specialization. Metal bending didn't existed (I would have nerf it to require physical contact instead of relying on muh platinum).

People didn't completely dismissed non-benders. Azula picked two non-benders to be her elite squad to track the Avatar. There is also that elite team of archers trying to capture Aang. Imagine if anyone else was being hunted by them.

>>1062417

>Zuko

An abusive father showing he favors one child over another.

>Toph

A girl teasing her crush (who's a blowhard). She notably only acted that way around Sokka.

>I think that the writers forgot that the bender population was just naturally very small.

It wasn't just small. It wasn't properly separate. As already noted in this thread, bending was ultimately treated as a martial art. Not a Brahmin or an ethnicity. Only one land had a bender ruler over plenty of non-benders (Fire Nation).

>buff

They treated bending as more or less just Mutant powers instead of a martial art. Especially when considering how every lead villain had some gimmick to their bending.

>>1062417

>when Zuko tried to impress his dad with his swordmanship

No, he was trying to show off his firebending. Unless you're referring to some comic, and those are non-canon, like whorra.

>>1062481

It doesn't matter if bending is about "ancestry" (which is at odds with lore saying Air Nomads have the most benders for their population from their spirituality). They were not treated as an ethnicity or another caste or a class (which is the only way for LoK's anti-bending movement to be believable).

>>1021376

>He just needed to stop trying so hard to be a comedian and instead stick pointing out how weak of a sequel LoK is.

Gotta hook in postmodernist faggots who can't stand dry analysis somehow, otherwise they'd dismiss it for being too serious.

>>1021400

An analogue for guns would be definitely interesting.

>>1021759

>The war episodes also fucked with the world by turning the Avatar (…) from a Buddhist perspective to (…) which is a traditionally catholic view of good vs. evil

Your parenthesis breaks the flow of your writing and makes it hard to follow.

>>1061664

I think compromisation of plot in favor of Interracial or god help us, Interspecies LBFGTQZXY+ romance is the worst that it can get aside from spilling into other series.

>>1021400

>>1062539

>An analogue for guns would be definitely interesting.

This is the annoying aspect of Korra timeframe (the 1920's level of tech) is it feels like guns/gunpowder weapons (like cannons) should be commonplace but they don't exist at all (and of course the whole "guns are bad" policy on children's TV making them a no show). Even other projectile weapons like bows (like that archer squad from the Fire Nation) have vanished or easily portable crossbows/repeating crossbows don't appear exist in Korra. Having a storeowner defend their store with a tommy gun like repeating crossbow against the Triple Triad gang members would shown a slight counter to benders.

While the Spirit Laser could actual be foreshadowing to actual handheld laser weapons in a future Avatar series to skip the bullet issue even more (because laser beams fired out of modern looking guns are still perfectly acceptable in children TV for some fucking reason).

>>1062548

>interracial

They're all Orientals though?

>>1062604

Guns weren't included since they didn't fit TLA's kung-fu setting.

I can't help the feeling that there is an organized effort to undermine completed works of fiction that happened to promote good morals and were popular. Does the avatar name still hold so much pull that it's guaranteed to make money? I don't think so. Even Korra was unprofitable almost immediately after the first season.

Or maybe I'm just paranoid and companies are greedy w/e.

>>1062610

>They're all Orientals though?

That's just the closest comparison to a real-world races, no Asians have green eyes, and nobody has yellow eyes (not light brown, yellow).

Point is, there are clear phenotype differences between the inhabitants of the four nations.

>>1062627

They are phenotype differences between Orientals too. There aren't any reliable differences between Water Tribesmen and Air Nomads in facial structure instead of skin/hair color.

>>1062538

But anon, don't you know that only medieval European Christianity considered homosexuality a sin? In every other culture in the world at any other time being gay was considered perfectly normal and healthy. Look, we dug out some ancient vase that shows gays, that's not just some weirdo's secret gay porn collection, it means that gayness was totally socially accepted.

>>1062613

>I can't help the feeling that there is an organized effort to undermine completed works of fiction that happened to promote good morals and were popular. Does the avatar name still hold so much pull that it's guaranteed to make money? I don't think so.

I feel the same. It's as if there is some (((other reason))) aside from money to defile everything that is good.

>>1062638

>non-bending Air-Nomads

In the comics.

Anyway, TLA was not a modern secular setting where all that is beyond man's control is treated as just comic book superpowers or mons. "Bending" can work how it does simply since that's how it's place, not from "genetics." Same goes for the Avatar (who had a canned backstory of being the world's spirit incarnated). Among the many ways LoK undermined it's predecessor, the way it handled the aspects of the world that were not born of man is one of them.

>>1062768

>What is established with energybending was vague enough that it isn't hard to believe that Amon actually somehow got energybending. It was only an assumption that only the avatar can energybend. I mean Korra became a giant blue monster by energybending in a tree stump despite being separated from Raava. Is it hard to believe that a technique that technically predates bending isn't exclusive to the Avatar?

Amon's movements evoked energybending even when he wasn't in front of his followers. Which makes the "nah he was just using gadgets with bloodbending" fall apart since he went out of his way to keep up a charade even when he had nothing to fear by not doing so once or twice.

>Yin and Yang representing good and evil has been a problem for a long time. Good is inherently better than evil thus balancing the two is fucking retarded. Then there is source of alignment faggotry: Law and Chaos which is an improvement but causes problems because of faggots that can't decide what should be put into Law or Chaos. For example, Communists are "law aligned" because they are authoritarian but their modus operandi is infiltration and subversion of society. Gary Gygax pretty much explains what the alignments but everyone wants to be that guy about it.

Gygax took Law and Chaos from the Elric novels. There Law and Chaos were really different words for entropy and the harmony of reality. Which is rather in line with what civilizations like the Egyptians said of chaos.

>>1062858

>I wasn't taking about the Air Acolytes but those people who flying around using the airbender gliders but turns out that they were from the Earth Kingdom.

I thought those were Earth Kingdom refugees that took shelter in one of the old Air temples.

>>1062882

They were. I admitting that I got it wrong. It was just weird that they figure out how to use those things.

>>1062858

>refugees

They just used the air gliders. They didn't practice Air Nomad traditions.

>The current iteration of the Avatar isn't actually an avatar but just somefag with a spirit tapeworm. Apparently, the original version was too deep and confusing for people's tiny Western minds to grasp along with Yin-Yang despite Jesus Christ basically being a Christian version of the concept of an Avatar.

Jesus of Nazareth is not especially similar to the Avatar in both TLA and India. Jesus is a redeemer who is supposedly destined to return and rule the restored world. The Avatar as established in TLA is not a redeemer, but a representative of harmony (not an enforcer of harmony as LoK has it) as befits Oriental tradition.

>From how I see it, Law is civilization and Chaos is knife-ear morality (muh trees).

Elves as Tolkien envisioned them weren't noble savages. Plenty of them were as civilized as Romans would be. The muh trees you speak of I imagine owes more to later works giving them bits of noble savages like American Indians or even Celts.

>>1062900

>And I wasn't talking about Tolkien but D&D. Corellon, the patron god of all elves, is chaotic good; and as far I know, most of the elf pantheon is chaos aligned.

That traces back to Three Hearts and Three Lions where elves were among the forces of chaos in opposition to human/law.

>One thing about hear being brought up about LoK is "demystification" which most associated with the introduction of Midi-Chlorians in the Star Wars Prequels. I don't think the problem is necessarily answering questions but the questions being answered. I don't think stating that firebending is ineffective if the user's body temperature is too low is demystifying. Adding a scene where Bolin brought up his firebending ancestry as possible explanation for his proficiency in lavabending (I'm aware that this never happened) doesn't bother me but I could see how it being just stated as a fact would be demystifying. Where would you draw the line? Vampire: The Masquerade partly explained the numbers used in the game to be a result of the Tremere clan measuring effectiveness and duration of vampire powers in vampire blood.

LoK turned spirits into mon invaders from another dimension and turned their realm into one where the likes of Asami can visit it. Treated bending as just comic book powers. And perhaps worst of all, treated the Avatar as a cross between a vigilante and divine dictator (an ever returning being who’s always in the right, has a ridiculous amount of power, and never needs to be questioned even when trying to intervene against a popular revolt against a corrupt monarchy).

>>1062900

>One thing about hear being brought up about LoK is "demystification" which most associated with the introduction of Midi-Chlorians in the Star Wars Prequels. I don't think the problem is necessarily answering questions but the questions being answered. I don't think stating that firebending is ineffective if the user's body temperature is too low is demystifying. Adding a scene where Bolin brought up his firebending ancestry as possible explanation for his proficiency in lavabending (I'm aware that this never happened) doesn't bother me but I could see how it being just stated as a fact would be demystifying. Where would you draw the line? Vampire: The Masquerade partly explained the numbers used in the game to be a result of the Tremere clan measuring effectiveness and duration of vampire powers in vampire blood.

I'm borrowing a quote from someone, I don't remeber who but "Tolkien was always careful to allude more questions whenever he answered a question". Brike can't even be consistent with their own works though. Specifically on firebending being less effective if the user's body temperature is too low, Zuko seemed to use it effectively multiple times to save his own life during the siege of the north.

>>1062933

>"Tolkien was always careful to allude more questions whenever he answered a question"

I'm not sure what you mean by that but I'm going to assume that you meant that lore should be expansive rather than a dead-end. It is just whenever people talk about answers making more questions they usually mean that the answer is just retarded and contradicts things previously established.

>Specifically on firebending being less effective if the user's body temperature is too low, Zuko seemed to use it effectively multiple times to save his own life during the siege of the north.

Didn't Zuko nearly got himself killed chasing Aang in a snowstorm to the point that Iroh actually got angry at him? To be fair, that was a bad idea in general but his firebending was barely keeping him alive.

>>1062900

>>1061594

>Without this concept, Jesus would technically be classified as a demi-god like in Greek Mythology

But he's described as being "fully God and fully man" as apposed to "half God and half man"

I hope this thread doesn't derail into religious shit-flinging

>>1062989

Didn't mean to reply to >>1061594

>>1062989

>But he's described as being "fully God and fully man" as apposed to "half God and half man"

That is part of Holy Trinity concept. Jesus is described as the son of God but Christianity doesn't consider itself a polytheistic religion because it considers Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit to be one entity. Basically God made a player character for his MMO, quit, and made Peter into the guild leader. The Avatar in LoK doesn't fit any definition of an avatar. It would make sense if Wan dies and Raava possessed his body. However, Wan said that he wasn't Raava and he was the first Avatar so he still considers himself a separate entity from Raava. It is like calling a character the Lich only to reveal that he is immortal because he is part god.

>>1062992

TLA had a scrapped backstory of the Avatar as the incarnation of the world itself. The LoK's backstory more or less turns the Avatar into a spirit vigilante/dictator.

>>1062994

We all know this. The question is why make this retarded retcon? For example, I know why DBS would retcon the Potara earring. It is so that Toriyama could have Vegito come out anytime that he wants. Did they really want to kill off all of the past lives? Was the "Dark Avatar" really the best idea that they have that this is worth it to them? Who else thought that killing the protagonist of the previous series, destroying his legacy forever, and cementing the new protagonist as the permanent physical and moral authority of the series was a good idea? That last one was a rhetorical question.

>>1062996

>The question is why make this retarded retcon?

To reboot the setting to suit their vision. You can see Wan in many ways is a reimagining of Aang.

>Did they really want to kill off all of the past lives?

Yes to show how dangerous Unalaq is and force Korra into the spotlight as the spirit dictator.

>Was the "Dark Avatar" really the best idea that they have that this is worth it to them?

Vaatu was a bad idea. Unalaq was alright at least on paper but fell to garbage soon enough.

>>1021242

Honestly if it's going to be shit why not just set it a few hundred years in a cyberpunk dystopian future and see if anything remotely interesting comes out of it.

>>1063043

Maybe they could do something like Star Wars Legacy with the time being set far in the future after the main series.

LoK Villain Tier List:

>Fun Tier

Verrick before he got overused.

>Okay Idea At Least But Really Bad Execution Tier

Amon

Unalaq

>Just Plain Bad Idea Tier

Kuvira

Vaatu

Zaheer

>>1063078

>Unalaq

I don't think that there is a way to separate him the Dark Avatar plotline; not that his plans or his motivations made any sense.

>Kuvira

>Zaheer

I would just downgrade these characters minor villains or henchmen.

>>1063099

>I don't think that there is a way to separate him the Dark Avatar plotline

Unalaq comes off as two separate villains (a Northern Water Tribe chauvinist who sees his cousins down south as degenerate and a cultist for a dark god) shoved together into one. He talks about degeneration in civilization, past glory, which for a modern world is rather notable for a villain.

The trick is to stick with the brief Unalaq and ignore the rest. Among reforming the setting big time.

>I would just downgrade these characters minor villains or henchmen.

They're both unneeded and eat screentime that could have been for relatively better villains. Kuvira steals themes of machinery and being a modern dictator/revolutionary figure ala Castro, Stalin, etc. Zaheer steals themes of being a holy man who dabbles in forbidden magic and appeals to a better past to return to.

>>1063106

>Unalaq comes off as two separate villains (a Northern Water Tribe chauvinist who sees his cousins down south as degenerate and a cultist for a dark god) shoved together into one. He talks about degeneration in civilization, past glory, which for a modern world is rather notable for a villain.

Spirituality has always been a personal problem rather than a societal and the show has yet to show how what is particularly wrong with that or what solutions that he can provide. Then you have the Dark Spirits which has an unclear cause and effect thing going. Then the "solution" doesn't seem to actually fix anything and should make things worse. Considering that not even the fucking Avatar could reach enlightenment makes me question how LoK can touch on it. It tells me that the modern era is a symptom, not the cause. Also, I don't see how spirituality works in LoK because Korra didn't fucking earn it or anything else.

>>1063177

Bryke are effective atheists with no real knowledge of the Eastern spiritual. They cannot write a proper approach to spiritual matters for a setting like Avatar's since it's beyond them.

LoK for example frames the spirit's home as a place you can visit like you were going to Cancun (with spirits themselves turned into alien invaders crossed with Miyazaki). This is among a wider habit of treating such aspects of the setting in a mundane fashion. The avatar itself comes off less as a figure serving a role in the order of all and instead some dictator who answers to nobody and invites no questions (recall Koh abducted Kuruk's bride to punish him for failing his duties as avatar).

>>1063247

So I'm guessing that for the spiritual stuff in ATLA was written by Ehasz?

>>1063177

Maybe. Even if not, it might be just a matter of having enough chefs to counteract any of Bryke's messes like what happened in Book 3.

Getting back to Unalaq. He should be anti-Fire Nation and base many of his policies on countering what he sees as the influence of their empire in both his kind and on the continent.

>>1063106

>They're both unneeded and eat screentime that could have been for relatively better villains.

I just realized that LoK only had 9 episodes less than AtLA. LoK is only 15% shorter than AtLA yet they wanted Korra to fight 4 big badguys.

Amon is the coolest of the four villains. However, his plan was dumb. I didn't take too much issue with the bloodbending explanation because his plan wasn't going to work so might as well make him a fraud. Still that is on the premise that he dies as a symbol rather than just blowing his cover. This also opens up to his identity being usurped for a different cause. His origin is objectively shit. Instead of some vague daddy issue connection, maybe give him a backstory that genuinely explains why he hate bending. Maybe bad shit happened because of bending, he tries to fix it with bending but made it worse, and non-benders are hurt in the crossfire. Or just have a less retarded plan.

Maybe he cleans up Republic City by removing the bending from triads. Things seem better with less crime but the police is cracking down by instituting curfews and chi-blocking bans. Non-benders become angry that they care more about the bending of criminals over the rights of non-benders. All of this to destroy the council's authority and expose the hypocrities of society.

The Red Lotus suck but they provide a decent enough explanation for why Korra didn't travel the world. I understand why Zaheer would want to kill the Earth Queen but why would he want to kill other world leaders or permanently kill the Avatar. If he wasn't a main villain, they wouldn't feel the need to raise the stakes.

>>1063257

<LIKE THE GOOD OL' DAYS AFTER THE SIEGE OF THE NORTH

The "good old days" would be before the Fire Nation went on its conquest spree for a century. Also, he'd be in a notably different version of LoK's era (for one thing, no United Nations/League of Nations analogue).

>The Red Lotus suck but they provide a decent enough explanation for why Korra didn't travel the world.

It was a retcon since all we were told before that season pointed to Korra living in peace.

>I understand why Zaheer would want to kill the Earth Queen but why would he want to kill other world leaders or permanently kill the Avatar. If he wasn't a main villain, they wouldn't feel the need to raise the stakes.

He's an attempt to stick an anarckiddie in Avatar.

>>1063346

I would like to see more on how energy bending works. Its a shame the show never explores that.

The one thing I try to rationalize about the Equalists movement and the nonbender vs bender divde is that I guess it's an allegory for communism. Like there were different iterations of socialist and communist thinkers before Lenin. Hell, there were even socialist thinkers before Marx. So maybe that's what they're going for?

>>1063347

The Equalists were primarily based on Communism. Although if you ask Bryke now, I'm not sure you would get that answer. I was thinking about making Amon work in universe (not communism because that never fucking works). "Our" Amon is just a useless neckbeard that never worked a day of his life rather than being Guy Fawkes Batman. The canon Amon only had one valid point and it was fixed without any struggle.

I'm not too worked up about how Toph and Aang were bad parents if it was handled better.

Was it just me or when Book 3 of LoK was airing and episode after Tenzin was getting beaten up was going to be called "Little Brother." It made me think that it was going to be about both Tenzin and Kai with Tenzin dying to protect the air-benders.

The " Equalists movement" was retarded

>>1063425

Neither Toph and Aang had grounds to be "bad parents." Toph's case even depended on retconning LoK Book One to give Lin a sister.

>>1063426

Yeah since it was an attempt to stick what was a composite of Commies and Klansmen for some fantasy racism/class warfare plot. Even though we are repeatedly shown in TLA that benders are not a caste or an ethnicity or have higher status than non-benders.

>>1063436

>his youngest child is the only other airbender in the world

There are no solid grounds for this to be the case. Not from what TLA told us.

>His other children might just have a skewed or overly critical view of him, not understanding that Aang felt responsible for what happened to the Air Nomads.

He didn't take his other children with him on vacations.

>>1063438

>There are no solid grounds for this to be the case. Not from what TLA told us.

As far as he knows, that is true. Honestly, I prefer the idea of a hidden tribe of Air Nomads over the random airbending giveaway.

>He didn't take his other children with him on vacations.

They called it a vacation but he is imparting his knowledge of Air Nomad culture to Tenzin. Maybe he just thought that his other children wouldn't be interested. Again this could work with better writing which just didn't exist in LoK.

>>1063426

It should've been about how normal folks are marginalized for benders….but they didn't show it. I mean, fuck, one of the richest guy in Republic City is a non-bender.

>>1063429

I actually think it would be pretty easy to show benders oppressing non-benders. Consider how shit like the Metalbending police only accepting benders, certain industry jobs pretty clearly only hiring benders (like the firebenders that can shoot lightning), pretty much all the criminal gangs being composed of benders (except for that godawful post-Korra comic) and for the rather simplistic morality that the Avatar universe thrives on, it's a pretty solid take to make people sympathize with the Equalists.

I know that 8chan has a thing for contrarianism and "muh equality bad" or some edgy shit like that but making the Equalists have a point was the least of The Legend of Korra's problems.

>>1063489

I could only ever see this anti-bender thing work in Republic City given the nature of the city would bring that out while the rest of the world is more focused on nationality.

>>1063489

>I actually think it would be pretty easy to show benders oppressing non-benders.

Stop trying to salvage LoK.

>Consider how shit like the Metalbending police only accepting benders

Metalbending being as overused as it was is bad design.

>industry jobs pretty clearly only hiring benders (like the firebenders that can shoot lightning)

Also bad design. Iron even told how you do lightningbending (meet the yin with the yang of your body to force an explosion).

>pretty much all the criminal gangs being composed of benders (except for that godawful post-Korra comic)

That's not benders warring on non-benders. Nothing says the gangs made it a point to target non-benders.

>it's a pretty solid take to make people sympathize with the Equalists.

There are plenty of benders with no notable position in society or wealth. Not enough "oppresio" to make Amon's following both legit and believable.

>I know that 8chan has a thing for contrarianism and "muh equality bad" or some edgy shit like that but making the Equalists have a point was the least of The Legend of Korra's problems.

Every major villain was supposed to have a "point." Even Unalaq (hence Korra suddenly declaring Wan was wrong to send the invaders back to their dimension).

There was no buildup to the Equalists in TLA. Far Eastern civilization just about had no ideals like theirs that weren't derived from the West or driven by holy fervor.

>>1063540

>Nothing says the gangs made it a point to target non-benders.

But they obviously would.

>>1063540

>Stop trying to salvage LoK.

LoK killed any interest that I had for an Avatar sequel like DBS had killed my interest in a Dragon Ball sequel. No one is defending LoK (at least not here) but I'm saying the premise itself wasn't bad (minus Spirits which was bad in pretty much all aspects). After almost everyone agreed the Dragon Ball GT was bad, DBS was made with all of the wrong lessons. Social media influencers, hypefaggotry, starvation of Dragon Ball content, shit like Dragon Ball the Abridged series, a wider access of content via the Internet, and the general lack of standards from ADD faggots and review aggregates allowed people to think that DBS was good or at least better than GT. The same thing with Star Wars Sequels vs the Prequels. Consensus is cancer. The "worst movies" are the ones that just so happen to considered bad by both the critics and audience.

>>1063540

>Metalbending being as overused as it was is bad design.

>Also bad design. Iron even told how you do lightningbending (meet the yin with the yang of your body to force an explosion).

Both of those are shit. I would have nerfed metalbending rather than have a stupid giant Platinum robot.

>That's not benders warring on non-benders. Nothing says the gangs made it a point to target non-benders.

They target the weak.

>There are plenty of benders with no notable position in society or wealth. Not enough "oppresio" to make Amon's following both legit and believable.

It is like saying that a billionaire in a wheelchair disproves that not being about to walk as a disadvantage.

>Every major villain was supposed to have a "point." Even Unalaq (hence Korra suddenly declaring Wan was wrong to send the invaders back to their dimension).

Toph basically spelled it out and Kuvira blurt out her bullshit motivation.

Honestly, the nonbender oppression thing could work. They busted a chi-blocking and gave nonbenders a curfew. It wasn't like Amon killed anybody. They could have people be disgusted at how much effort the police is putting because Amon removed the bending some gangsters. Saying that there is less crime.

>There was no buildup to the Equalists in TLA.

like this guy said >>1063511

>I could only ever see this anti-bender thing work in Republic City given the nature of the city would bring that out while the rest of the world is more focused on nationality.

and I said >>1062481

>non-benders in Republic City lost their shared identity with benders.

>>1063586

Honestly..I don't get the flack that GT got. It's OK for a series that Toriyama had barely anything to do with. Not many series where the creator isn't involved can say "At least we did OK". Usually it turns to crap.

>>1063587

>It is like saying that a billionaire in a wheelchair disproves that not being about to walk as a disadvantage.

Demonstrate that benders in TLA had such a societal position. None of the Water Tribe chieftains were benders. Long Feng could only rule from the shadows/in his king's name rather than openly/by himself. The Air Nomads had no non-benders. The Fire Lords were apparently benders but ruled over both non-benders and benders.

>Honestly, the nonbender oppression thing could work. They busted a chi-blocking and gave nonbenders a curfew. It wasn't like Amon killed anybody. They could have people be disgusted at how much effort the police is putting because Amon removed the bending some gangsters. Saying that there is less crime.

That's you trying to search desperately for something to redeem LoK. When in actuality the show was broken from even before it started. It's obvious when you look up its production history.

>non-benders in Republic City lost their shared identity with benders.

Republic wouldn't even be a century old. It's ridiculous to believe that claim where RC can somehow magically make its inhabitants lose where they came from and blood feuds and other things that make a kind a kind.

Like, would a Fire Nation non-bender be somehow less held accountable than a Fire Nation bender?

>>1063614

>That's you trying to search desperately for something to redeem LoK.

<Has made several posts explaining that it was shit.

Me saying that a Castlevania TV series could be good even with a few episodes is not a defense of the shitty Netflix Castlevania.

>The Fire Lords were apparently benders but ruled over both non-benders and benders.

I don't know what point were trying to make. No one is arguing that there was a legal caste system specifically distinguishing between benders and non-benders in the four nations.

>Republic wouldn't even be a century old. It's ridiculous to believe that claim where RC can somehow magically make its inhabitants lose where they came from and blood feuds and other things that make a kind a kind.

Second generation immigrants tend to be more radical than their parents that still remembers the shithole country that they fled from in the first place. However, I'm saying that it isn't immediately obvious where a non-bender comes from. Yes, the time frame is quite too short.

>>1063616

>I don't know what point were trying to make. No one is arguing that there was a legal caste system specifically distinguishing between benders and non-benders in the four nations.

You're trying to salvage LoK's bender against non-bender war. I am noting there were no grounds for it in TLA and LoK had to shoehorn it in for their Brink of WW2 setting.

>Second generation immigrants tend to be more radical than their parents that still remembers the shithole country that they fled from in the first place. However, I'm saying that it isn't immediately obvious where a non-bender comes from. Yes, the time frame is quite too short.

Again, Republic City has not been around long enough to build a believable replacement culture for migrants. FYI, immigrants segregate to themselves (Little Italy, Chinatown). The migrants from the Fire Nation should separate themselves from other migrants if only from hatred courtesy of the FN's conquest spree.

>>1063623

>You're trying to salvage LoK's bender against non-bender war.

Like I said, I like the setting. I just really dislike static setting thing. Chris Avellone wanted to have nukes go off again in Fallout to keep the setting post-apocalyptic. I'm aware that it is stupid to just randomly inject stuff from our world to a fantasy setting like many lazy writers. However, Sokka help invented a Hot-air balloon, a submarine, forged a space sword that can cut metal, discovered a material that indirectly invented metalbending, etc.

>Again, Republic City has not been around long enough to build a believable replacement culture for migrants.

If I remember correctly, most of them were locals from the colonies.

Anyway, what happened to people? Why are the relationship in LoK so shallow and phony? Girls can't just be best friends anymore. People only start dating because the other one is hot. Not just in LoK but all these Tumblr cartoons. Not to mention all of the shallow attempts to present friends as a surrogate family.

>>1063670

>However, Sokka help invented a Hot-air balloon, a submarine,

Both of those were rooted in bending (even if the hot-air balloons had Earth Kingdom built answers to it).

>forged a space sword that can cut metal

Legendary swords forged from special material are hardly new.

>discovered a material that indirectly invented metalbending

Toph's metalbending depended on her blindness.

>If I remember correctly, most of them were locals from the colonies.

You're talking about the comics which were just one big shilling of multiculturalism despite the FN's imperialism.

>>1063586

>The "worst movies" are the ones that just so happen to considered bad by both the critics and audience.

What I meant is that those movies then to be just boring rather than be offensively bad. It is the shitty mentality of the Last Jedi.

>>1063705

>Both of those were rooted in bending (even if the hot-air balloons had Earth Kingdom built answers to it).

I was talking about Sokka's generally ingenuity.

Either way the Avatar series is dead to me and I really just mostly ignore LoK. I have no hope for the Netflix series.

>>1063706

It'll just be more of the revisions the setting's been getting since LoK. As in shoehorning mentions of Raava/Vaatu, more babble on how gay Kiyoshi is, spirits presented as a cross between mons and Miyazaki rejects, etc.

>>1063706

Only way this can be "salvaged" is for someone to just say the LoK we saw is just a very bad dramatization of what actually happened…that's the only way I know how. Basically the series is out, the comics is out..and start from Zero all over again.

>>1063708

Itll only get worse.

>>1063838

Well, can't get much worse than what we got now, can it?

>>1063908

The comic ignored how nasty Korra acted towards Asami. It's just not believeable for a girl like Asami to just shrug off such an insult as some ghetto slut taking alher boyfriend.

>>1063938

What, you expect a fanfic writer to remember canon? Remember, fanfic writer would bend canon over backwards to justify their ship…among other things.

>>1063938

>>1064041

That's already been posted

>>1064059

The showrunners knew that the Fire Nation was the most compelling bit in TLA. Hence them trying so hard to recapture their success for LoK (see Mako being called Zuko without the angst, Korra being a master firebender, redoing Ozai and Iroh's dynamic with Unalaq and Tenraq, Kuvira being a more boring Azula, etc.).

>>1064074

Kuvira's problem was that they wanted her to show why authoritarianism is evil but all they really showed was that she got the job done in reuniting, restoring and even strengthening her nation with her methods where no one else could. They tried to say she had concentration camps or labor camps or something but I don't remember ever actually seeing them in the show, just characters saying they totally existed.

They also, for some reason, had a giant hard on for Suyin so even though Kuvira was right for wanting to take back Zaofu (since it was part of the Earth Kingdom) she was wrong because Suyin. Suyin's own failures as a mother (or mother figure) are never really explored either beyond a vague "she could've done better with Kuvira" which turns Kuvira from a ruthless but strong warlord into a simp lashing out against mommy because mommy tried her best but there was just too much going on and if Kuvira only understood. Suyin was basically a Mary Sue who dragged down and ruined every other character she was connected to.

So in the end all Bryke could do was just go "HURR DURR MECHS" and make Kuvira a retard because they failed in what they tried to do, failed to "humanize" her and what they were left with was a character who was supposed to be in the wrong despite every piece of on screen evidence showing her as being in the right lashing out against a character who was supposed to be in the right despite every peice of on screen evidence showing her as being in the wrong.

>>1064076

Still a more boring Azula. Even her mommy issues are a more poorly done version of Azula's relationship with Ozai.

>>1064077

I wish they had explored their characters relationships a bit more. We rarely get that. That and maybe make their relationship more like an Anakin and Obi Wan sort of thing.

>>1064106

Stop trying to salvage a fundamentally bad character. There's no room for a pop culture Hitler/Mao but gurl character in Avatar. Especially one who steals themes.

>>1064114

She was a lot more Chiang Kai-shek than Mao.

>>1064122

We really don't see much of what their dynamic is like.

>>1064119

She had obvious hints to Maoism.

>>1064122

Azula wanted to please daddy and got hurt when he declared himself Super Emperor.

I'll be happy to see them make it just so I can watch E;R tear it apart just like he did with TLOK.

>>1064155

>Azula wanted to please daddy

is it just me thinking with my dick, or did Azula seem to think of Ozai as a bit more than just a father?

>>1061565

All the asian races look very similar to each other, so in the avatar world where everyone is a varient of asian, wouldn't indians stick out like a sore thumb?

>>1021242

>before

You know they should just do a midquel so we can have more loli Toph

>>1065095

>is it just me thinking with my dick, or did Azula seem to think of Ozai as a bit more than just a father?

You were just thinking with your dick.

Daily reminder that Netflix continues to be shit. The recent Evangelion dub is just one of many fuck ups. Castlevania is proof that you can make 14 episodes feel rushed and full of filler at the same time.

>>1065154

> Evangelion dub is just one of many fuck ups

But anon not even the best of dubs can fix that pseudo-intellectual trash.

The worst part about all that was done with Avatar from Korra Book One up is how Western it became. What happened to having a fantasy Orient?

>>1065175

Bryan or Mike got a raging hardon for the 1920's aesthetic, so much so that they handwaved that things like radios, movie projectors and film, cameras in general, and automobiles were invented in the less than 70 years removed from a feudal asian setting where only the fire nation had steam engines and those were all powered by bending.

Probably for the same reason bending went from being unique choreographed analogues to real world martial arts, to bland boxing.

>>1065154

>The recent Evangelion

What?

It was already dubbed, decades ago. Why would you dub it again?

>>1065176

At least some of the technology could be believable like the cars. Having sudden democratic elections in the EK or even having fantasy Maoism is silly and on the nose.

>>1065191

While I still think that it isn't a deal breaker, I would have put a couple of extra years in between. Maybe make its massive progress a plot point. If we are talking about what fucked the series up the most, it is "LoK: Book 2: Spirits". What I don't understand is why would the government change? Equalist lost and they were defamed. I'm guessing that they wanted to push this learning from the badguys thing but it was done off-screen. Was it just because of Tarlok?

Kuvira had some interesting things about her but there was so much bullshit used to build up her situation. Like Zaheer, she suffers from a case of pointlessly raising the stakes. Like season 1, Prince Wu going all "United States of China" should have been a bigger deal than a "BTW Mako".

>>1065187

>Why would you dub it again?

The same reason why they couldn't play "Fly me to the Moon" in end of the non-Japanese release. They also changed a lot of the lines even in the sub. Shinji doesn't say that he is so fucked up. Shinji and Kaworu is now platonic. Now with a recap of Netflix originals, people are pretending (for a lack of a better term) that Castlevania was good.

>>1065210

>The same reason why they couldn't play "Fly me to the Moon" in end of the non-Japanese release.

And why couldn't they do that?

>Shinji and Kaworu is now platonic.

That was unexpected.

>>1065210

There needs to be a far larger timeskip for the state of the world in LoK to be believable. Long enough for the Gaang to be safely dead.

They should have looked into more how a world like Avatar with no apparent ideas from civilizations like the Greeks and Germanic tribesmen would change from the Fire Nation's empire. And also more research in the state of the world after the defeat or break-up of empires like the Romans, Mongols, etc.

>>1065226

>There needs to be a far larger timeskip for the state of the world in LoK to be believable. Long enough for the Gaang to be safely dead.

Yes.

>They should have looked into more how a world like Avatar with no apparent ideas from civilizations like the Greeks and Germanic tribesmen would change from the Fire Nation's empire. And also more research in the state of the world after the defeat or break-up of empires like the Romans, Mongols, etc.

I'm giving it leeway because the Avatar setting is sometimes just like that for a fun visual design like the hybrid animals thing.

If they ditch everything that made Korra shit, and return to the quality of 1, then it might be good, but most likely not

>>1028198

pretty good

Here's an idea I got kicking around. Feel free to call me an autistic fuck and bully..

>Main character is an Earthbender who was traumatized to use bending because he nuked his hometown. Long story short, Equalists attacked his hometown, young Kouji (initial name, might change it) tapped into the Avatar state and since his only past life is Korra, lost control and nuked his hometown with the only survivors being him, his older brother Tetsu and childhood friend Saya

>The only Earth bending he can do is small pebble bullets which he can fire pretty accurately but 9 times out of 10, he settles for hand to hand fighting or his wits

>Currently works as a private detective in Republic City, his brother's a police detective and a fire bender that can also bend lightning

>Setting wise, it be a 1950's pulp thing combined with wuxia (basically closer to the Giant Robo OVA, you know, guys in suits and ties doing martial arts and such)

>World now kinda suffers from what Korra did, spirits run rampant, exposure created benders with extended abilities like able to create air blades by snapping their fingers or fire benders firing explosive shockwaves from their hands

>Plus the Equalists returned with their leader, the real Amon and they're working on making artificial benders (basically guys in mech suits with abilities to mimic bending etc.)

>Saya later becomes a chi blocker as she was rescued by the Equalists and was trained by them to take down the Avatar and for revenge (Kouji did nuked her hometown, killing her family). Is a reporter to get closer to Kouji

>Zhen, blind defense attorney and Kouji's partner (more like they had to share the same office as both of them had to pool their cash to get the only affordable place). Is an Earthbender and a pretty good fencer (keeps his sword hidden inside his cane). When he's not working on his cases, he helps Kouji out in his cases..and occasionally has fun on Kouji's expense

Granted this idea I have for the third series also involves…retconning the fuck out of LoK, torpedoing the Korrasami ship and have Korra instead settling down with a non-bender (who will show up in the 3rd series as basically serves as the Speedwagon Foundation for the Avatar AND their oldest son happen to be Kouji's martial arts master…who is suffering from an incurable disease)

>>1066625

It is still bad by virtue of treating the events of LoK to be canon. I honestly can't see how opening the spirit portals is good thing.

>>1066655

Hey, I tried..but thanks anyways.

>>1066657

While I like the idea of shitting on Korra's decisions, I assume that opening spirit portals was why Airbenders started appearing so in universe she did an OK job. In the universe which the Avatar is someguy with a spirit tapeworm infection.

>>1066738

>While I like the idea of shitting on Korra's decisions, I assume that opening spirit portals was why Airbenders started appearing

It was forced writing to make the series continue after Unalaq/Vaatu's destruction and work around the corner they forced in. There should either be no blood restriction to airbending beyond being able to bend to begin with ORRR there should be enough Air Nomad blood within the global population to recruit from it.

>so in universe she did an OK job. In the universe which the Avatar is someguy with a spirit tapeworm infection.

She enabled the empowering of Zaheer, the weaponization of spirits, and other signs of dysfunction. The comic even has someone point out Korra can close the portals but she just won't to make some social justice point, with a spirit saying they have to accept her decree (making her out to be a spirit dictator instead of a figure who represents balance).

>>1066744

>There should either be no blood restriction to airbending beyond being able to bend to begin with ORRR there should be enough Air Nomad blood within the global population to recruit from it.

The ability to bend a certain element with the exception of the Avatar has always been hereditary. It is technically not genetic as the Avatar doesn't need to have genetic ancestry to all four nations and the Avatar can not have offspring that can bend an element outside their country of origin without a spouse from that element's country. How LoK handled it was retarded.

>The comic even has someone point out Korra can close the portals but she just won't to make some social justice point, with a spirit saying they have to accept her decree

I wasn't aware of that. It isn't like spirits can't come into the physical world before the portals open so why this bullshit?

>>1066750

>The ability to bend a certain element with the exception of the Avatar has always been hereditary

We have the identical twins with only one earthbending. Not to mention out of show sources saying that the Air Nomads having so many benders was from how they were spiritual. Not how they breed.

More to the point, even if what you bend was strictly hereditary that doesn't mean only Aang and his children with their children would have the ability to. The Air Nomads should have a system in place to weed out failed or defiant Air Nomads like how actual Buddhist monasteries do. It's just not believable that in the many years ANs were around that there were no rebels who wanted wine, women/men, and song. No excommunications. There should be enough Air blood spread around to recruit from. And that's without bringing in bending capable orphans/giveaways from the other 3 lands.

>It is technically not genetic as the Avatar doesn't need to have genetic ancestry to all four nations and the Avatar can not have offspring that can bend an element outside their country of origin without a spouse from that element's country. How LoK handled it was retarded.

They wrote themselves into that wall while also wanting a cheap to continue the series. Hence spirit portals.

>>1066744

Honestly, the thing I put out here: >>1066625 just flat out ignores the comics but I understand. Guess I could just recycle this for something else.

>>1066753

>We have the identical twins with only one earthbending. Not to mention out of show sources saying that the Air Nomads having so many benders was from how they were spiritual. Not how they breed.

I just said that it isn't genetic.

The random airbending give away is retarded but I guess that they wanted some forced drama instead of making the air acolytes into air benders. (I know that at least one air acolyte became an air bender.)