a376c6 No.855793 [Last50 Posts]
I'm a Methodist deeply considering converting to Catholicism.
I sincerely believe God is pulling me in this direction.
Through constant deliberation I think I'm convinced of the primacy of the Apostle Peter and the succession that leads to the Papacy. And I believe that there does need to be some sort of universal authority to be the mediator in doctrinal disputes; the Papacy fulfills that.
Praying to Mary and the Saints is an easy hurdle for me to overcome in that I understand the concept and that there is biblical basis for it.
The idea of Purgatory I'm still a bit iffy on. I'm not quite sure I subscribe to it yet. Same goes with the idea that a saved Christian can completely fall out of grace with God and be damned to Hell if they don't confess certain sins before death.
If any Catholics here can point me to some good readings, podcasts, or whatever else on the latter two points to convince me on those that'd be great.
If any Protestants here wanna try to talk me off the ledge, I'm open to hearing your arguments against Catholicism.
Lastly, I do plan to visit a Catholic church near me. They all seem to do Novus Ordo; none do the traditional Latin Mass.
CatholicAnons, what are some things I should look into when selecting a Catholic church to go to?
Personally I'd like to stay away from anything that does modern music like drums and guitars.
As an aside, why do Catholic churches offer daily mass? Is there any difference between a mass on Tuesday and a mass on Sunday?
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4fb1d5 No.855795
>They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Repent and believe for the kingdom of God is at hand
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90bdf3 No.855797
>>855793
Catholicism isn’t Christian it should get its own religion board.
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a376c6 No.855800
>>855797
You are misguided. Catholicism is Christianity. Furthermore, I'm more inclined to believe that it is indeed the Church that Christ built, and that God has, is, and will protect.
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676303 No.855804
>>855797
are you protestant?
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455d6d No.855807
>>855800
Nah dude, Revelation 17 & 18 is the judgement of Rome. Christians are called to live a lowly life, not one of riches and gold and decadence.
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6a6f81 No.855808
>>855800
Jesus Christ is a faith, you're talking about the Great Whore. She's as old as Eve and the Serpent, a horrible curse.
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6a6f81 No.855810
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455d6d No.855812
>>855808
>Jesus Christ is a faith
Jesus Christ is a living being, your faith in him isn't relevant and does not affect the reality of his existence.
The whore is Rome dude. Do you even Bible?
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455d6d No.855814
>>855808
>Jesus Christ is a faith, you're talking about the Great Whore. She's as old as Eve and the Serpent, a horrible curse.
Please, by all means, name another port city that fits that description. Rome is the most luxuriously and lavishly decorated city there is, and apparently God isn't very happy about that channeling of wealth done in his name by these pseudoChristians.
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a376c6 No.855815
>>855807
There's no indication that it's referring to Rome. This is just a guess. In fact, I could give a strong, solid argument that it's referring to New York, Washington, or even London.
I'm gonna need more substantial arguments and evidence, not guesses and speculation.
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1c17fd No.855817
>>855815
>>855793
Father Mike Schmitz on youtube have some really good videos on explaining different aspects of the faith, also catholicanswers website.
As for mass, sunday being the day of our Lords resurrection is a day of celebration. Glory to God in the highest is said/sung as well as the creed.
I found this regarding daily mass;
Remembering always that in the mystery of the eucharistic sacrifice the work of redemption is exercised continually, priests are to celebrate frequently; indeed, daily celebration is recommended earnestly since, even if the faithful cannot be present, it is the act of Christ and the Church in which priests fulfill their principal function.
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6a6f81 No.855818
>>855812
The Whore is spiritual Babylon and Rome. Which means it is a Church, don't call us dude.
> Let me tell you about your religion
>Also I'm deconverting from belief in Jesus as a faith into my final form, tranny Frieza Roman Catholic Church.
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6a6f81 No.855819
>>855814
It's called The Vatican and his name is Francis, but that changes so we don't focus on their baldy, who shall not go up like Elishah, so no he won't be sending any bears to maul anyone for calling him baldy.
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bd0504 No.855820
>>855793
Sensus fidelium channel is great, specially everything by Fr.Ripperger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMcvZaiBwe4
Everything by Dr.Brant Pitre is also great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P45BHDRA7pU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl3pD4l0K5U
https://www.youtube.com/c/CatholicProductions/videos
A bunch of channels more, chose the ones you like>
https://www.youtube.com/c/PintsWithAquinas/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrianHoldsworth/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu3jDGYr-BHurx6mNFGto_A/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/ReasonandTheology/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/StPaulCenter/videos
Try to find masses without irreverent stuff in liturgy, if you dont, still know that a single Eucharist is worth everything and more so endure bad liturgy if needed.
As to daily mass you have to check the schedules of each church, normally they do celebrate daily.
Some blatant purgatory in this Jesus parable>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YesD9TjrUes
In this website you can search for the catholic stance in any theological subject>
https://www.catholic.com/search?q=purgatory
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6a6f81 No.855821
>>855815
I'm not that anon.
>>855817
>>855820
Y'all are being removed from the christian church of Jesus and the right hand. Not happened yet but it is going to and is a verb, -ing.
1) Jesus said do not come in the name of anyone but Jesus Christ, example, "Apollos or Paul."
2) Do not call anyone your father. Don't try to play excuses games with this one to justify your belief in fathers in the church, or even biological fathers, Jesus said you must be able to leave even your mother and father to follow Christ. This especially means Baldy Francis. When Jesus comes back he will have hair.
3) Mary said Jesus Christ is her Savior, Master, and God. Cease and Desist out of here with your Blasphemy of God and God's humble handmaid who is silent.
4)The Blood of Jesus Christ. Wycliffe, Anglicans, Early Colonist Americans, Freedom of speech and Religion, execution of Roman Catholics if they would not stop practicing executions of people worshiping God how they want, and more. The Roman Catholics did not preserve the Word of God, but christians did by the blood. The blood of the slain. The bad guys are the RCC who tried to destroy and keep it from mankind.
5) The Jews are the ones who are going to die in The Tribulation Period, meaning if they don't convert to Christ in Faith, not to Christ (antichrist) by Mass and Mary worship. The Roman Catholic Church has it even worse for them, since they believe, falsely, that they are the Jews that are Christian. They even believe that they perform blood sacrifices for sins, but they don't even use real blood because they are making everything up as they go.
6) They worship Angels, they see visions and draw crap they never saw and doesn't even have any real purpose, while Jesus has angels worshiping Him because He is God through God's Son. God gives Instruction that is for real use, practical, and because it Is real.
7) Moses was sent to deliver the Jews and give them the Law. While God was writing the Ten Commandments with His own finger on stone tablets, the Jews were already melting down the gold and worshiping a false god they made up. That's the Roman Catholic Church, by the way, along with all false churches of God. The God of the Jews came from the God of Shem, which is Noah's Blessing to Shem, given to Abraham, Abra + Ham. The land of Egypt is the land of the God of Ham, Africa. The Jews is a culmination of Shem, Ham, and Japheth and their God, the God of Noah.
8) Worship of Eve and the Serpent is worship of Marriage of the Saints, a worldly sin when put into practice. The Whore does nothing but sip the blood of saints all day, killing them, which is why you look for christians to torment on 8kun, which is the invisible spectrum of Light in the Kingdom of God, which is in the four Holy Beasts full of eyes Before, Within, and Behind, with six wings.
9) Babylon was the Golden Cup in the LORD's hand. Now it is a faded flower, and all her worshipers drink the wrath of God.
10) could keep going forever but don't have time of day. You'll be seeing more of this if the board continues to have new topics that we answer, and they will continue to be God's Word answers straight from the Bible.
11) See all your stuff in the OP?
>OP
All that stuff isn't even in the Bible, meaning that it isn't christian. You are being removed from christianity For Eternity.
12) The Whore is also mainly the church of Israel, and all Jews worldwide, who refuses to confess and repent back to Jesus Christ, their Lord.
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bd0504 No.855822
>>855821
11)Jesus left a Church, not a book. Its the Church guided by the Holy Spirit that decides what belongs in the book and how to interpret the book.
So if the Church says there is purgatory, saintly intercession from Heaven, real body of Christ in the Eucharist, etc, and you say there isnt, you are in error. The Holy Spirit has spoken.
Because there are people that think they can interpret the bible to their liking is the reason there are thousands of denominations. But Christ prayed for one united Church, so if something works to divide the Church (personal interpretation) then its false doctrine.
This doenst mean one cant read and interpret, it means one cant contradict the Church in our interpretations.
This requires humility. If something requires humility, its of God.
On the contrary, thinking i can interpret however i want because i know better, that is prideful and not of God.
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9dc555 No.855825
>Same goes with the idea that a saved Christian can completely fall out of grace with God and be damned to Hell if they don't confess certain sins before death.
Probably the biggest hurdle for American converts to overcome is letting go of Sola Fide. Only a truly evil god would let murderers enter the kingdom of heaven on the sole condition that they were true believers. Only Satan would give complete freedom for their loyalty alone. ("Do what thou wilt")
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97247f No.855826
I came just to see the prots screeching and wasn't disappointed lol
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6a6f81 No.855828
>>855822
>Jesus left a church building
Wrong, Jesus Christ left us His Salvation, through the Word of God. There IS NOTHING ELSE. There is no God, there is no Jesus, there is no Blood, there is no Church Temple Building, there is nothing but sin and death and hell.
>But I get to win!
All you get, said God, is His Son's blood for your sins. If you believe that, then you can be saved. End of story. This is why you aren't christian, or saved. Your church is departed on the left hand of liberalism. The church of satan.
Jesus Christ's blood, is also His Word. Did you know? If you are consuming The Bible (King James Version), then you are consuming literally Jesus' blood. No, I don't mean directly, spiritually, but it manifests physically and literally in the end.
>But Jews must remain the boss of the church! They are Jews! Jews come first!
Wrong again. God said that the fruit and the animal sacrifice gets the favor over the herb and the fruitloop. This is like cats and dogs. Dogs get the favor over the cats. And the cats, like good reptillians, must understand this, and walk on their bellies. It has been this way since the beginning of Creation. Stand up, O REPTILE, and be bruised by the Man, which is Jesus Christ.
>But you can't interpret how you want to!
>let me tell you about Your religion!
Even God told us we can interpret how we want to. And your church is descending into hell itself. BOTTOMS UP!
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6a6f81 No.855829
>>855826
Samefag or circlejerks get less favor with God.
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6a6f81 No.855830
>>855822
Purgatory is nowhere in the Bible, but God said you can have whatever your beliefs are.
>>855825
>I think in terms of that everyone who is not Catholic, must be Protestant!
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689b67 No.855831
>>855828
Why are you referring to fruit loops and cats as reptiles? You sound like a lunatic.
>Even God told us we can interpret how we want to.
Incorrect. Holy Scripture says in 2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
God teaches those that are saved the truth. That is why Paul says "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) and why St. Jude wrote, "you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude v. 3). That means there is only one truth. A person is no different than a self-declared pope if they say otherwise.
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689b67 No.855832
>>855822
For the time being you are at liberty to do what you will, although you resist the calling of God. This is because our Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. However, don't take our Holy Bible out of context. If you do it anyway against this warning, then may the Lord rebuke such sinful acts.
As we learn that, whoever rejects the word of God, and consents not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, that the same shall judge them in the last day. And "there is no respect of persons with God." (Rom. 2:11). That means even if you wear a big hat, or raiment or gold, it doesn't matter; you are still judged as a sinner before Almighty God, who is our Lord and Savior, the only mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus. Open all eyes to the truth, O Lord.
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6a6f81 No.855833
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6a6f81 No.855834
>>855831
>Incorrect. Holy Scripture says in 2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
That's against your church, snowflake. Your church is the one who believes it is private.
Peter also understood the Rock of Offence. Which you are, especially since you believe you come from Peter.
Jesus calls the whore of babylon the rock of offence in the verse you are about to quote about being apostolic successionists. Which is blasphemy, and also you will all go to hell for, for believing that you cannot go to Heaven by Faith coming first alone.
Many murderers are already in Heaven that repented of their sin, but many Religious Jews and Catholics burn in hell because they sinned and repented not.
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689b67 No.855835
>>855834
>>855833
I desire that you would see the light and that you would not suffer from psychosis any more.
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6a6f81 No.855836
>>855835
Psychoweapons don't work here.
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689b67 No.855837
>>855830
Being around these cultists seems to be seriously affecting your mental health. I would take a break from the internet arguments and spend some time in the word of God, and also in prayer. Recall what Jesus Christ told us in Scripture. And trust the Lord, He will never fail us.
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6a6f81 No.855838
>>855837
>being around these cultists
>mental health evaluation
These meds are your meds, schizo. They are for you to take, for your mental health.
The healthy are not needing a doctor, but the sick. Luke 5:31 KJV.
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5097c8 No.855839
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Catholicism is a Doctrine of Devils - A Catholic's Guide to Becoming Born Again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_HSQo-fktNJF_OYAb-OQGrultuYrUBGQ/view?usp=drivesdk
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6a6f81 No.855841
>>855839
>google drive
You know those guys monitor everything you click on, so why bother. Just post your fancy guide here, we'll wait. Hopefully it is along the lines of John 3:16. If you don't, well, we warned you.
Even if you use those captchas from google, I don't think this site uses google for those, they can knock them out for you and stop all comms. Since they own Youtube, they also monitor people's traffic there also.
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f621ca No.855843
>>855793
>try to talk me off the ledge, I'm open to hearing your arguments against Catholicism.
Did Jesus or the Pope die for your sins? Who did you believe on to save you from Hell, and granted you eternal life? You can still be a Catholic, but let's not ruin our salvation doctrine.
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854119 No.855852
Instead you should begome Ordodox.
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62255e No.855856
That this thread would end up in a denomination wars calamity was a given.
Which is why Jesus prayed for one united Church, not many.
Also this is terrible in terms of evangelising, people seeing that Christians arent even united.
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a376c6 No.855858
>>855820
Thanks for the resources!
I'm really enjoying the PintsWithAquinas channel. I'm a fan of the longform interviews and several of his guests give very interesting takes I've never heard before.
>endure bad liturgy if needed.
Seems like this may have to be the case. There're three Catholic churches near me. One has a very bad singer that pierces your ears. Another has a priest that sounds like he barely knows what he's doing. The third has a charismatic priest, gives a good homily, but the music they use involves guitars and drums and just feels a bit jarring. Maybe it'll be better in person. I've only ever watched them online so far.
>>855825
Sola Fide will be very tough for me to let go
>>855843
Jesus died for our sins. But I believe it's clear and well-documented in the Bible and in tradition that he did intend to leave a church, a structured organization, to direct the faith, evangelize, and settle disputes. The more I read of the early church, the more I become convinced of this.
>>855852
I've considered this, but there's one big problem preventing this, proximity. The nearest Orthodox church is a county over and is at least a 1.5 hour drive one-way. I don't have a car that can reliably get me there and back every Sunday. Furthermore, Orthodox churches seem way too bound up to national identity, and thus, feel unwelcoming.
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9dc555 No.855862
>>855834
But it's ok that they sinned, because they truly believe in the Lord our God, therefore Sola Fide, therefore Catholics go to heaven too :-)
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cf712a No.855865
>>855858
You don't necessarily have to let go of sola fide entirely. It is true that faith alone is what saves you and you cannot earn your way to Heaven, but faith takes action. If you don't have good works then you don't have faith. I think this misunderstanding is what bars so many people from becoming Catholic or Orthodox.
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073ae4 No.855906
>>855865
That's what mainstream evangelicals believe anyway, only the hardcore sinners and degenerates desperate to continue sinning are Sola Fide hardliners
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02f451 No.855907
>>855793
> Prayers for the dead
> Veneration of angels
> Mary Worship / immaculate conception / assumption of Mary / co-mediator / co-redeemer
> Purgatory
> Worship of Relics
> Apocrypha
> Required Celibate Clergy
> Sale of indulgences
> Horrific Church History
> Laymen forbidden from reading bible
Lmao you're going balls deep from one false church to another.
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f61e79 No.855919
>>855856
Oh we are. My church is very united around the truth of God's word.
It is as St. Paul said, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism." We are united as a congregation serving Him. We are kept pure and holy by the blood of our Savior and in keeping of His word, even when as the apostle St. John said, "we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness." And saint Jude wrote in his epistle, that we "should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." This is what, by God's will, my entire church does, being united behind the Gospel cause and given authority by the Holy Spirit to carry out the great commission of our Lord. The Great Commission is in Matthew 28:19-20, and reads "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
And as Paul wrote, "how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" That is what the church, in effect, does. Even if there are, as Paul described, those which "preach another Jesus," and elsewhere wrote in Scripture, that these people (such as the pope) are, "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." And as the apostle Peter said, "false teachers," who "shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." That would be catholicism and other cults founded not on Christ's authority but some other man, such as Constantine in your case. The popes and catholicism as a whole deserves to be roundly condemned in light of what the Bible teaches, as it is the inspired word of God, the truth, and the church's final authority for both faith and practice. Glad I was able to clarify that reality, praise and worship Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior throughout all ages, amen.
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44fab5 No.855934
>>855856
Christians aren't united. Protestants make sure of that. But even disregarding them ( I don't consider them Christian in the same way I consider the rest to be Christian), the traditional Christian faiths are in schism too. As someone looking to really come to Christianity for the first time, it is divided. The Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, the Assyrian church of the East, sedevacantism, the Western Orthodox Church (which i just found out exists). All of these groups seem to have decent claims to being the church Christ founded, and someone who is just coming the the faith (even if they study) isn't going the notice the theological differences they would if they compared Eastern Orthodoxy with some evangelical independent baptist church. It seems evident that these churches are Christian in a sense that the rest just aren't, and they could use some unity. Its really hard to understand why the Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox aren't united yet already for example. I'm aware there is immense work to be done before the Christian church is in a position to be able to be reunited and I'm sure no particular group wants too get cucked. But from the outside looking in, why don't these Christians at least have a greater level of unity or solidarity ? Especially in places like the USA where Protestantism seeks to water down the faith. Idrk why im posting this here, im rlly tired.
t. grifter thats been trying to figure out what church to join for three years without making ANY spiritual advancement
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04639c No.855990
>>855907
>laymen forbidden from reading the bible
found your source
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a376c6 No.856151
Finally attended my first Catholic mass today. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The past was real nice and gave a good sermon. Beautiful church. They had holy water which I thought was pretty cool! A lot of standing and kneeling which I wasn't use to. I probably looked like a bumbling idiot. Didn't know I suppose to kneel before entering the pew. Whoops…
I'm planning to go every Sunday now.
God bless, anons! Have a good Sunday!
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f61e79 No.856152
>>855990
Here's the source:
>We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old and the New Testament; unless anyone from the motives of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.f (Edward Peters. Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Council of Toulouse, 1229, Canon 14, p 195.)
>Since it is clear from experience that if the Sacred Books are permitted everywhere and without discrimination in the vernacular, there will by reason of the boldness of men arise therefrom more harm than good, the matter is in this respect left to the judgment of the bishop or inquisitor, who may with the advice of the pastor or confessor permit the reading of the Sacred Books translated into the vernacular by Catholic authors to those who they know will derive from such reading no harm but rather an increase of faith and piety, which permission they must have in writing. Those, however, who presume to read or possess them without such permission may not receive absolution from their sins till they have handed them over to the ordinary. Bookdealers who sell or in any other way supply Bibles written in the vernacular to anyone who has not this permission, shall lose the price of the books, which is to be applied by the bishop to pious purposes, and in keeping with the nature of the crime they shall be subject to other penalties which are left to the judgment of the same bishop. Regulars who have not the permission of their superiors may not read or purchase them. (Council of Trent: Rules on Prohibited Books, approved by Pope Pius IV, 1564)
Also,
>CCC 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Note that Christ meanwhile said in John 14:6 that, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
He also said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." So clearly, our Lord approves of us reading the Scripture, no matter our station. And according to our Lord, we are guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit when we are saved and read His word. See John 16:13 and 1 Corinthians 2:9-13. Praise the Lord for His Truth on this the Lord's Day, amen.
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637e10 No.856154
>>856151
Glad to hear it OP! I converted from the Baptist faith to Roman Catholicism and never looked back.
>They had holy water which I thought was pretty cool!
Yeah, my parish just recently reinstated the holy water font (among other things). It's great to have a return to normalcy.
>I probably looked like a bumbling idiot
People probably aren't going to notice or be focused on you, believe me. It took me a good dozen or so Masses before I had most of everything down.
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3bff38 No.856186
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846904 No.856350
I myself was a convert to Catholicism, indeed because of (the 8ch version) of this very board, but I eventually left that church for personal reasons. Still, I hope you can grow closer to the Lord, and perhaps succeed where I failed. God bless you, anon.
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29d41e No.856385
>>855793
>I sincerely believe God is pulling me in this direction.
Forgive me if this has already been asked, but why do you feel as if God is pulling you in this direction? Like what specifically makes you think that God wants you to do this? Now this can become personal, as if deals with your private life, so if you don’t want to talk about it then that’s completely fine.
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2a709c No.856386
>>856152
>Since it is clear from experience that if the Sacred Books are permitted everywhere and without discrimination in the vernacular, there will by reason of the boldness of men arise therefrom more harm than good
Wow. I didn't know Catholics could see the future.
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dc6110 No.856844
OP here.
Just an update. I'm currently in RCIA. The entire RCIA class this cycle is candidates from other Protestant denominations. My town is/was heavily Methodist, and apparently, for the past couple years, lots of folks from the Methodist church have been coming into the local Catholic churches.
But I've been attending Mass every Sunday, except a couple where I was sick. I feel like I'm getting a more complete understanding of the Christian faith here. Entire layers of theology I never knew existed are being learned. In a couple weeks, we're doing a Rite of Welcome for our RCIA class. I'm not entirely sure what all it entails, but I'm getting really excited for the Advent season. The parish I'm attending is super friendly and welcoming. Very alive, lots of activities and groups to join. The priest is wonderful.
I think this is my new home, guys.
There're still some habitual sins I need to break, but I've made significant progress in kicking those deadly habits altogether. Not gonna lie, I'm terrified for that first confession I'm gonna have to do.
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f61e79 No.856846
>>856844
I'm not sure why you are here, on the Christian board, but it's certainly got nothing to do with honoring our Lord and Savior. You're just talking about whatever cult you are in all day, glorifying men, and never honoring God or his word.
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637e10 No.856859
>>856844
That's terrific, OP! Sounds like you have a great parish.
>Not gonna lie, I'm terrified for that first confession I'm gonna have to do
You'll find it to be a huge burden lifted off your shoulders once you've confessed. It's something you should never shy away from, no matter how habitual or grave your sins. I've found the sanctifying grace bestowed, along with the accountability the confessional offers, to be absolutely necessary in breaking my addiction to PMO.
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3bc0fd No.856871
>>855907
>Prayers for the dead
Mentioned in Maccabees.
>> Veneration of angels
Veneration is not undue worship.
>> Mary Worship / immaculate conception / assumption of Mary / co-mediator / co-redeemer
Absolutely one of the best aspects of this, but I'll confess (heh) that I may have mommy issues.
>> Purgatory
"It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins."
2 Maccabees 12: 46
You cannot pray a soul out of Hell and you shouldn't try to pray a soul out of Heaven.
What's left?
>> Worship of Relics
Nobody worships relics. They are treated with respect and reverence but not once will you see a Catholic physically worship an object.
>> Apocrypha
Was in the Bible before your boy Martin began taking out books and verses that countered his theology during his schism.
>> Required Celibate Clergy
Are you a clergyman?
>> Sale of indulgences
PLEASE go to my Bishop and ask to buy an indulgence. I also want you to record the conversation for posterity.
>> Horrific Church History
Considering that the majority of witch hunts were by prots, you might want to back that ass up.
>> Laymen forbidden from reading
Untrue. What do you think we're doing on Sunday? There are three readings every mass. You can find the readings in the missilette, mDe readily available to laymen.
If you attend every day for about 3 years, you'll get almost the entire Bible.
Furthermore, if you enter the home of a Catholic you will almost certainly find one or more Bibles.
I have a Douhay-Rheims Bible and a New American Bible on a shelf in my bedroom.
I'm not trying to attack you, but I think you've drawn a cartoon character of a Catholic in your mind and the reality is simply not compatible with that image.
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm still in RCIA, but I know that I have made the right choice.
You should come to a mass, anon.
We'd love to have you over.
You can't take communion, but get in line, anyway and cross your arms (Pharoah style) over your chest and you'll receive a blessing.
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aa3c48 No.856874
>>856873
Don't click that link.
WTF?!
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e35835 No.856910
There's the Novus Ordo religion. it calls itself Catholic but is clearly a type of Protestantism.
There's the FSSP religion. It calls itself Catholic. It's skitzo. Agrees with the Novus Ordo but tries to be old Catholic and they're two different religions. At least they get the mass almost right. Then there's the whole thing they have with the Pope.
There's the SSPX. It calls itself Catholic. it's a bit skitzo too. They're like the FSSP but they own some of their own Churches and have some of their own Bishops.
Then there's the SSPV, who are full out sedes. Their mass is the 1962 mass which is almost right.
Then there's the Sanbornist. Again, full out sedes. They use the unchanged mass per Pope Leo. They try to be as the Church was in 1958, which means you pretty much have to be a full out convert. They don't recognize the sacraments of any of the other Catholic Churches, and if you got a family and they're not catholic, you're damned until they convert or you leave them. That belief is a form of wickedness.
Now that I look at it, the Catholic Church was full of non-Catholic beliefs even back in 1958.
The only problem I see with the SSPV is that while the Catechism says one thing, they indulge in the sin of Mary Worship. You won't see this in their teaching, but in their practice. Our Lady of This and Our Lady of That, and the whole victory of Our Lady over the devil. That's not Catholic teaching. Forgiveness of sins comes from Christ and the Sacraments, not "our lady". All things come from God. God gives us grace, not "our lady", she is the patron Saint of Graces, but doesn't give us grace, grace comes only from God.
Archbishop Lefebre started out Sedevancist and then got cold feet when he realized that the "Pope" of the Novus Ordo controls the physical property of the Churches and he tried to cut a deal with the devil.
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b0c334 No.856943
>>855793
>there does need to be some sort of universal authority to be the mediator in doctrinal disputes
The Holy Spirit
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328c9a No.856962
love me some protestant tears.
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ac1fbc No.856965
>easy hurdle for me to overcome in that I understand the concept and that there is biblical basis for it.
Literally where?
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ac1fbc No.856966
>>855793
>>856965
You never see saints in the Bible praying to ones in heaven. You never see Abraham praying to Noah, Moses to Abraham, David to Samson, Peter to David, etc.
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e35835 No.856971
>>856966
Noah, Moses, Abraham et al were not in heaven until Jesus was crucified and descended into hell (limbo is the highest level of hell) to free them of original sin and lead them to heaven.
You can't ask the Church Triumphant to pray for you if they're not Triumphant (in heaven).
Praying to known servants of the Lord is in the Book of Job.
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da7b10 No.856997
>>855934
There will be no unity until Jesus comes.
More likely it will be underground catacomb churches
Just give up on ecumenism, it will only lead to the antichrist and setting up his kingdom
Sergius, there are many who follow in his footsteps especially in orthodox churches in Russia and Eastern Europe
I honestly think end times christianity (we are already at the beginning of the one and only End Times only a few years to a few decades to the tribulation, not the 'end times' since pentecost) is more like Orthodox Spirituality and Orthodox Theology without the trappings of having priests, liturgy, things like that sort combined with house churches of persecuted countries/the apostles
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da7b10 No.856998
There is a certain bar set for the Word of God/"True Christianity" (many are called few are chosen, endure to the end to follow God with all your effort every waking second of your life, all that highlighted Red Letter Text.)
Just think about what situation you could find this in, hint: it will be the exact texts Jesus says in the New Testament Bible.
LIFE OR DEATH you live according to these very words, as a start for being a christian.
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15614e No.857016
>>856971
>Noah, Moses, Abraham et al were not in heaven until Jesus was crucified and descended into hell
I don't believe the Abraham's bosom/Paradise thingy either.
>free them of original sin
They were freed when they got saved
And Jesus' death counts backwards too. That's why it says he was slain from the foundation of the world
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
>Praying to known servants of the Lord is in the Book of Job.
verse
Also you then don't see them doing it in Acts or the epistles. So bad point either way
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