/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>851132

I hate to be fearmongering, so I'm curious as to whether others believe this is all a major cause of concern for our faith (and perhaps even the Mark of the Beast) or if it's being blown out of proportion. I simply want to prepare accordingly. I've been looking for a job, so I can earn money, save it up, and eventually live on my own. But if I don't get the vaccine, it might be nearly impossible to be hired. There goes my chances of financially supporting myself and living on my own. My family will also despise me for not taking the vaccine and might even kick me out, which would leave me jobless and homeless. I am willing to go through all that for God, but if it's not wrong for us Christians to take the vaccine, then I surely don't want to go through all that.

The proper Christian justification for refusing the vaccine is the God given right to self preservation. Christians should be especially skeptical because scientism and statism are the prevailing idols of the day.

Suddenly everyone notices romans 13 doesn't give infinite power to the state once something like this pops up.

>>851135

Exegete

>>851134

>The proper Christian justification for refusing the vaccine is the God given right to self preservation

My issue with this argument is that you are forced to eventually appeal to science and/or politics as your ultimate authority. Are you arguing for your self-preservation, because you are assuming that the vaccine bares potentially life-threatening effects? If so, how do you know this vaccine is potentially life-threatening unless you are appealing to the authority of scientific reports and/or political articles that argue the vaccine is potentially life-threatening?

I'm stuck in the same predicament as you, since I am concerned about the effects of this vaccine as well, but I can't provide a proper Christian justification, since I can only appeal to dissident scientific and political articles/figures that also argue that the vaccine is dangerous. I understand that you try to provide a Christian justification by arguing that our self-preservation is a God-given right, but doesn't it follow that we should then refuse any action or situation that is potentially life-threatening? So as a Christian, I shouldn't ever drive a car, since that is potentially life-threatening, and there are a host of other common activities that we can't engage in due to it being potentially life-threatening.

It appears to me that the proper Christian justification is one that is based in Scripture and/or dogma or other tradition. So far, I haven't seen any Christians argue against vaccines based on Scripture or some dogma. It seems to be all political or scientific reasons to refuse the vaccine. I won't deny that I currently want to refuse the vaccine due to political reasons, but I would hate do have to go through the hell that will come with denying the vaccine if taking the vaccine isn't even anti-Christian.

the vaccine. I don't think it is the mark of the beast. There is no identifiable, universally adored, antichrist who has military might that cannot be matched. The mistake would be saying that because something is not the mark of the beast, that it won't have spiritually devastating consequences. At best, what we have is a series of vaccines opportunistically thrusted on an unsuspecting populace for a disease that has done a pitiful amount of damage. People in the midst of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic would scoff at our pathetic lack of resolve to bear up and suffer a little in this world of soft people. We are so offended at the idea that any of us should have to die of anything when it is God's justice and judgement. Furthermore the current narrative is that we will have to engage in an inoculation program that will have all of these radically experimental treatments enter our bloodstreams. I say that Christians can expect things like artificial RNA made with aborted fetuses and nanotechnology to defile the temple of the Holy Spirit. This may be the greatest issue of Christian liberty ever. If you unsuspectingly take the vaccine you might attain the mercy the Jews attained in the wilderness looking to the brazen serpent. If you take it knowing that these are the foolish and evil designs of men, you will be cut off for having no resolve to suffer persecution to preserve the temple. Then again, it might just kill a bunch of people… Neither seems like a desirable outcome. What we certainly can't do is take a leap of faith and put such a degree of confidence in man that would put David's numbering of his armies to shame.

Now all this is to say nothing of the very real conspiratorial elements at play; that executives of large pharmaceutical companies are involved in Freemasonry at a very high level, that they believe their concern with the world's mystery cults has made them superior beings (pneumatics) to the rest of mankind (psychics and hylics) and that we are all disposable because we don't seek their special knowledge. They are basically just like the Pharisees who believed they were better than any other man because of their position and bloodline. Freemasonry has in fact been called the gentile branch of Judaism. Those who enjoy the things in this world, we know are allied with the god of this world, the devil. But it is so much more worse at the very pinnacle of worldly authority and power and riches and fame because there they actually do bow down to lucifer and are sold out to do his bidding, which is to kill steal and destroy. All the things you read in the Talmud about the gentiles and Christ, Freemasons believe that about the hylics and psychics that they perceive in this world. How do I know this? I was a student of it before the Lord supernaturally told me to go pray and delivered me from demons and gave me his blessed Spirit. As you 'trickle down', you simply have various people motivated by mammon, cowardice and the exaltation of man and his pursuit of knowledge (science). Only Christians and those who have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof can currently perceive the narrative of what is going on in the world right now.

>>851140

>you are forced to eventually appeal to science and/or politics as your ultimate authority

No I'm not. I'm just observing that it's illegitimate for someone to forcibly vaccinate you.

Yes i am saying if there is cause to distrust the vaccine, like its nefarious politics or the absence of standard testing, then it is being shrewd to abstain.

I think you're looking for a fundamentalist definitive Christian answer for a complex contemporary issue, like a JW opposes blood transfusions or a Mormon opposes tea. There just isn't one.

>>851132

>As Christians, Should We Refuse the Vaccine?

If it was made with fetal stem cells taken from Aborted babies, you must.

Death in this life is no big deal compared to eternity in hell.

>Denying the vaccine will leave us completely ostracized from society.

Christ said that they hate him and if you follow him they'd hate you too. They whipped every inch of his body, his kingship over us is a crown of thorns, he carried the cross of our sins for us.

You can bear a few dirty looks from the godless.

>It seems that the force that will be used with this vaccine will be unprecedented.

The communist in Spain dragged Catholics out of their homes and murdered them.

> Is there a proper Christian justification for not taking the vaccine?

It's against my religion. No offerings from Moloch.

>>851157

Amen. This is the true gospel.

>>851157

I completely agree, but what if the vaccine is not developed using fetal cells derived from abortions? Are there no such vaccines in development for COVID?

>>851144

Perhaps it wasn’t fair to phrase it as “ultimate authority”. Anyways, thinking about this issue further and looking a little further into these vaccines, I’ll frame my question in another way. If I take a COVID vaccine that wasn’t developed using fetal cells derived from abortions, would it still be wrong as a Christian?

Currently, this is where I stand. I do not want to take the vaccine. However, if I don’t, I might ruin my chances of being hired for a job, cause a major rift in my family, and get kicked out which would leave me jobless and homeless. If the vaccine is not developed using aborted cell lines, I have no Scriptural, dogmatic, or patristic basis for denying the vaccine - only political reasons at that point. So as long as it’s not one that’s derived from abortions, I’ll take the vaccine, as much as that pains me to say due to my politics.

>>851171

Why is it a problem to say you oppose it for political reasons? Politics are just your worldview applied, and your worldview is Christian

>>851172

Yes, but not all political beliefs have a clear Christian basis. Of course all my political stances (hopefully) have a Christian basis, but outside of political stances such as the pro-life stance which has a clear Christian basis (it’s grounded in Scripture and/or dogma), there isn’t a clear (keyword: “clear”) Christian basis for certain other political beliefs. Is there a clear Christian basis for being against mass immigration even if it’s legal immigration? Is there a clear Christian basis for being against universal healthcare? So on. There are certain political beliefs that I hold to that I would argue on a Christian basis, but because they are not dogmatic beliefs (they do not affect our salvation), I would concede that they are rightfully debatable and that it is fine for Christians to disagree on.

In the case of a vaccine not derived from abortions, I am still against it for political reasons and these political reasons have a Christian basis, BUT it is not a clear Christian basis. As of now, I am not going to refuse the vaccine unless I have a clear Christian basis, since refusing the vaccine would very likely leave me jobless and potentially homeless. I would only make that kind of sacrifice if it is clear that God wants me to do so.

>>851132

It's an extremely experimental revolutionary "vaccine" that uses gene modification, meaning it's not even a vaccine. Calling it a vaccine is a lie. Some scientists who took it suffered severe consequences and in some cases even coma. And by the way, this is literally the plot to Dead Cells which ended with most people killed and the rest monsters, with only the rich and powerful surviving (who end up killing each other anyway.) I know indie game zombie plots aren't quite prophecy but it could be predictive programming considering how recently that game rose to fame before covid.

>>851171

>Are there no such vaccines in development for COVID?

Most of them aren't.

Modena and one more are derived from cell lines, but Pfizer, which is most popular, and others are not based off it.

>>851184

I heard the Pfizer vaccine was tested on stem cells.

Masks are the new baptism to your new god. Vaccination is the new communion. This whole coronacircus is a new initiation into a new religion, a new reality. When you conform to it, you can call yourself Christian all you like, but you still worship in the new religion.

>>851201

>Masks are the new baptism to your new god. Vaccination is the new communion.

No one, except maybe my wife, worships the masks.

It is a sin to not follow the orders of those who are over you if that order is not a sin be it your parent or lawful government. They say wear the mask then you wear the mask because wearing a mask is not a sin.

If the government says don't go to Mass, you go to mass because they told you to sin.

If the Archbishop says don't go to mass and absolves you of your obligation to attend mass on holy days, then you don't go because no sin and obedience.

>>851204

>It is a sin to not follow the orders of those who are over you if that order is not a sin be it your parent or lawful government.

Masks inflict harm on all your organs due to oxigen deprivation. Masks inflict mental harm to yourself and everybody around you, believing you are a threat while in reality you are not. Your body is your temple and you voluntarily inflict harm on yourself. You partake in a gigantic satanic worship ritual and put satanic governments above your God given reason. If this isn't clear to you, I cannot help you. All I can say is have fun wearing your face-diaper and your monthly injections until your body ceases to funtion. You can read this article to grasp things better: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/10/20/how-the-masonic-filthy-face-diaper-of-terroristic-submission-breaks-multiple-commandments/

>>851217

Ok, Jew

>>851201

>dude it kinda looks like a religion so it must be idolatry

I can say that about anything.

Driving? The steering wheel is an altar and driving tests is baptism.

Immigration? Citizenship is baptism.

Breathing? Must be oxygen-worship.

>>851136

It's a saying to remember even when you keep to Romans 13 (being subject to the higher powers, giving tribute to whom tribute is due, honor to whom honor, etc.) and the statements made by Christ such as "my kingdom is not of this world" and "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" – Even while you keep those, remember that when you see perverting of judgment and justice in a province, that "he that is higher than the highest regardeth, and there be higher than they." Now "they" would be the so-called "higher powers" because there is no higher power than God.

God is clearly "he that is higher than the highest," and it says he regards what is happening. So this goes along with Romans 13 and the other statements in the New Testament. It also says in Daniel 4:34,

>34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

Not going to take it, even if it costs me my Job (which it probably will). I wont get injected with some chemical cocktail that wasn't even tested probably, which usually is the norm for vaccines.

I received the Moderna vaccine yesterday (I work in healthcare). The only side effect I have so far is mild soreness, which has diminished over time.

yesterday I heard a priest make a good argument to take the vaccine.

His argument was that abortion was going to happen anyway, and the faithful did not participate in that sin in any of the 9 ways to be guilty of someone else's sin; e.g. we didn't encourage, fund, not speak out against it, etc. And there is some good in it as it will save lives.

I'm still taking that in!

So now it seems wrong to me but this priest is pretty well versed in the Catholic faith. Things that seem like they should be sins to me are not sins, and things that to me seem not to be sins are sins. That's why we have the church, to lead fools like me to the truth.

I think I would like to hear it from my own confessor, tho.

>>851217

Why did you feel the need to add a picture like that to your post? What purpose does condescending with stock images serve?

>muh link to crank website.

The use of 'muh' is very telling.

>>851132

I am not getting no vaccine. I am already dead (in Christ)

>There is civil war

Rejoice! Christ IS among us!

>The economy has crashed

REJOICE! Christ IS among us!

>America has collapsed!

REJOICE! Christ IS among us!

Often times, People IMO, are COWARDS, when it comes to bad situations in life. They worry about the 'now' and not about the 'hereafter'.

>Oh No Covid-19!

I would really LOVE to see how these people would fare if SMALLPOX was still around, or POLIO. Oh…mama.

>>851144

>>Mormons oppose tea

really? I could… understand not trusting blood transfusions ( as they can spread HIV/AIDS) but Tea…nah. Mormonism is a scam.

>>851468

Because saying wearing a hospital mask is satan worship without a detailed explanation comes off as crazy, because it doesn't follow.

I've been to Catholic Hospitals, they wear masks and don't worship satan.

So yes, a website that says wearing a face mask to prevent the spread of disease vectors is satanism or freemasonry is moon-bat crazy. Sorry, it doesn't follow. Mason's wear aprons, not a doctor's face mask.

>>851179

mRNA doesn't alter your genetic code. that's tRNA

>>851479

Just because others have ideas about what goes on behind the scenes that you deem 'crazy' doesn't give you the right to talk down to them. I am someone with 'inside knowledge' or whatever you want to call it. in short, I know some things you can't learn about on the internet. You have no reason to believe me so I won't speak explicitly, but I can tell you there are tons of seemingly mundane, routine aspects of all of our lives that have deep esoteric significance. Do you know what the red/blue arms on the Rosicrucian cross symbolize? I doubt you do, and whatever online research you could do on the specific use of colors would only lead to misinformation and half truths. You have no understanding of what goes on behind the closed doors of the rich, I can promise you that.

I haven't even looked at the content of the website in question and I'm sure it is 'online conspiracy culture' nonsense but my point is that you should not talk down to people who theorize about hidden motives for seemingly innocent things. Perhaps the use of face masks could be pragmatic and still have hidden significance.

>I've been to Catholic Hospitals, they wear masks and don't worship satan.

Have you visited the underground vaults of the Vatican?

(I don't mean to cause inter-denominational division by questioning the institution of the Vatican. I respect my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ)

OP here. After listening to some church fathers and church elders speak on the vaccines, I am now back to leaning towards not taking it.

How serious do you guys believe the consequences will be for those of us who don't take the vaccine?

>>851686

>How serious do you guys believe the consequences will be for those of us who don't take the vaccine?

Basically, say goodbye to all freedoms you enjoyed before the coronacircus. Inability to enter most (if not all) public buildings, no travel by public transport, no crossing of borders, no buying food, nobody will employ you, no treatment or second class treatment in medical facilities, ostracization by everybody who buys into the cult and admirition by very few who wish who had the courage to do the same as you do.

It won't come overnight, but they will drag this situation on until the masses buy fully into the lies they're given and do the mental-gymnastics by themselves. At one point you have to find ways to sustain yourself outside the ZOG grid or starve.

>>851194

No

>>851686

Church fathers predate vaccines, and a lot of spiritual elders get falsely quoted.

>>851686

>some church fathers speak on the vaccines

Uhh do you know something we don't? Was there a first century vaccination cult?

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>>851713

I shouldn’t have worded it that way, lol, my bad. I meant priests and elders.

Don’t take the vaccine if it is not kosher and has dead unclean animal in it.

>>851688

Dude, I said basically you cannot risk taking it even though it doesn't line up with Revelation. That was literally the salient point or thesis of that entire post. Avoid this vaccine as you would the plague.

>>851736

https://safetydatasheets.pfizer.com/MyDocuments/DownloadSingleFile?content=D9DC6973-C923-45DC-AEA4-35AD7A804762_PDF

How can I tell which substance is unclean? I tried looking them up but all search engines just redirect to some website glorifying the covid vaccine.

>>851736

Kike spotted

"There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man." (Mark 7:15)

"ουδεν εστιν εξωθεν του ανθρωπου εισπορευομενον εις αυτον ο δυναται αυτον κοινωσαι αλλα τα εκπορευομενα εστιν τα κοινουντα τον ανθρωπον' (Ευαγγελιον κατα Μαρκον Ζ:ΙΕ)

In Genesis 1 God made man, male and female, in his own image and blessed them. God saw that everything he made was very good. I have heard some biblical scholars say that "good" in this ancient passage is more like "fit for purpose."

If you believe in creation then God alone is worthy of being the Creator. If you accept an mRNA "vaccine" then you and the people who created that jab are setting yourselves up as gods in opposition to the One True God - the Holy Trinity.

What I have realised when studying ethics is that people make arguments for the acceptance of evil. But evil is still evil, no matter what anyone claims. So I will put my trust in God, and not in any people who want to play god. I won't purposely change my DNA because of social pressure to do so.

>>853797

Wasn't it trna that can change dna?

I'm ignorant.

Every one from the Pope of the Novus Ordo to the most based old school SSPV priests says take the shot if a vaccine that wasn't tested on fetal stem cells isn't available.

My FSSP priest suggested this book on Catholic ethics written by Saint Augustine.

I donno. Maybe I don't have a religious reason for not taking the vaccine. Maybe I'm just a grumpy cuss who doesn't want to do what the Globalist want me to do.

>>851132

This answered my question. I am completely convinced of not taking the vaccine.

https://youtu.be/_9n3sU_rHJA

>>851171

Without even considering our religion taking the vaccine is an act of mind boggling stupidity. The red flags are everywhere- the inventor of m-rna tech has gone public telling people to never take the vaccine, covid cases and deaths in israel are overwhelmingly among the vaccinated (israel is the most vaccinated nation in the world), the fatality rate of covid is less than the average flu, the natural immune system is 13 times more effective than the vaccine, the vaccine mimics the worst part of covid- the creation of spike proteins that cause a multitude of illnesses, the vaccine has never passed clinical trials, the people pushing covid are evil people that have overthrown our country and eliminated our rights. . .

If you need a verse in the bible explicitly telling you not to take the covid vaccine then are are retarded. And you aren't Christian because you are trying to find excuses to overlook the dangers of this vaccine just so you can reap the material benefits.

>>851479

>So yes, a website that says wearing a face mask to prevent the spread of disease vectors is satanism or freemasonry is moon-bat crazy.

Nonsense. Your problem is that you're a normie, so explaining truth to a normie is like trying to teach algebra to a pig. But I'll do it anyway because non-normies will read this.

We aren't forced to wear masks because it prevents disease. No scientist in the world believes that a dust mask will prevent transmission of a virus. None of the experts telling us to wear a mask believe that it will have any effect on covid at all. The point of the mask is to prevent communication and interpersonal relationships. When we speak in person, our facial expressions say more than our words. If someone is wearing a mask, we won't go up to them and strike up a conversation.

The satanic elite are now waging war on the entire planet and they are determined to prevent all flow of information so that we will be reduced to depending on the internet, where truth is suppressed, surveillance in conducted, and lies are magnified.

Wearing masks is satanic because it aids the goals of the elite satanists. We shall know the truth and tyhe truth shall set us free. The masks prevent the truth from being communicated. We engage in all sorts of satanic rituals in our lives without ever knowing that we are doing it. Dark occultists believe that their spells have more power when the victim agrees to them of their own accord. Wearing a mask is a symbol of obedience, it's an acceptance of the genocidal goals of the satanic elite.The mask is a slave collar.

>>856675

I don’t need a specific Bible verse. That’s why I said not only Scriptural, but also patristic and dogmatic. Anyways, I ended up not getting vaxxed and I am convinced on never getting it. I agree with what you said in your first paragraph.

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dont take the vaccine is very bad Tv news and Facebook,youtube,twitter they shut down account because people get sick because of vaccines some of them are dead from vaccines you can search videos on bitchute about people crying about vaccines

youtube removes videos and ban about vaccines they censor people

STOP WATCHING TV NEWS THEY ARE FAKE NEWS THEY USE PROPAGANDA

Only God and Jesus Christ can heal us through faith and love

if you have faith and love for God and Jesus Christ you dont get sick because God and Jesus Christ can heal body and the heart and through faith and love

--Matthew 8:13 KJV--–

And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour

--Galatians 5:19-21 KJV-----

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

>>851141

as far as i know the nanobtos are bs and the aborted fetuses too

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells

according to my research

>>856720

i dont think god is against medicine

>>856786

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. (Revelation 18:23, KJV)

Now what is the word for sorcery in greek?

Strong's g5331

- Lexical: φαρμακεία

- Transliteration: pharmakeia

- Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

- Phonetic Spelling: far-mak-i'-ah

- Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells.

- Origin: From pharmakeus; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively).

- Usage: sorcery, witchcraft.

- Translated as (count): sorcery (2).

>>856785

Check the /cvd/ board. There is a thread with links

>>856787

but you have to take more than one vaccine plus boosters probs

so where does the mark start? first vaccination? or do you have to be fully vaccinated or will it be the coming microchip?

>>851132

> Is there a proper Christian justification for not taking the vaccine?

Of course there is. The vaccine is the mark of the beast. the problem is that the christian churches are so corrupt that none of them has the integrity to point it out.

>>851134

>The proper Christian justification for refusing the vaccine is the God given right to self preservation.

That's a right you just made up. The Christian justification is that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. If that doesn't work for you then another Christian justification is the vaccine is made from aborted babies.

>>851141

> I don't think it is the mark of the beast.

so what? Wouldn't you agree that it's best to err on the side of caution? The vaccine has too much in common with the characteristics of the mark that it would be unwise to accept it even though we don't have concrete proof. Whether this is the mark or not, the mark will never come with a disclosure "this is the mark of the beast." it will always be presented as something mundane.

>>856804

I agree with pretty much every reason there is not to take a vaccine that is being force fed to millions of people (unless you personally feel safe with it perhaps after consulting your doctor). But it being the mark from the book of Revelation is not one of those reasons.

We are told in the Gospel that the elect will not be deceived by the Antichrist, although said person will try to deceive everyone. Reading the 13th chapter of the book of Revelation in context, we see that there will be people worshipping the global figure that institutes the mark, and it will be explicitly something implemented in order to buy and sell anywhere in the world. There may be some surface similarities of this to a hypothetical vaccine passport, sure. And I am against vaccine passports, doubly sure. But I don't identify that with the mark, because we don't need any more false positives at this point, and it doesn't meet the criteria. It does begin to vaguely resemble it in some ways, sure. If I could be any more opposed to it than I already am, then I would be.

>>856791

Not too sure. However, there is one general rule of thumb. If it looks like it might be evil then it most probably is.

So generally err on the side of caution and not take it rather than take it and be doomed.

Apparently St. John Piper is demanding his followers get the vax, to prove they only listen to him for all their opinions, and not "right wing" doody heads.

>>856805

>I agree with pretty much every reason there is not to take a vaccine that is being force fed to millions of people (unless you personally feel safe with it perhaps after consulting your doctor).

So if you're deceived by an MD then it's okay?

>But it being the mark from the book of Revelation is not one of those reasons.

You don't know that. As I've already pointed out, there are enough red flags that it would be foolish to dismiss them. Everyone is being forced to take a mark and if they won't then their ability to buy and sell is being eliminated. This is the first time in history that something like this has happened, and the elite that are demanding it are satanists.

>We are told in the Gospel that the elect will not be deceived by the Antichrist,

that's a lie. We are told that the elect that can be deceived, will be. Nowhere in the bible does God promise to do our thinking for us, nor does he promise to work out our salvation for us. That's our responsibility.

Believe what you want but if you take the vaxx then you are making a horrible mistake whether it's the mark or not.

>>856806 Donald Trump appears to be evil

>>851133 just get the vaccine. It’s not hard to do. I’ve been vaccinated since March and I’m fine. Millions have gotten it worldwide. Don’t be a fool who is blinded by ego.

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The issue to me about the vaccine being the mark of the beast is that you will probably have to get the booster and if not you count as unvaccinated again. is the mark something you can lose? Because you will have to get the vax regularly

>>856806

i have read this article agains the vaccine being the mark it was pretty good

https://academic.logos.com/the-covid-vaccine-has-666-written-all-over-it-and-why-that-doesnt-matter-according-to-revelation/

i mean you should refuse the vaccine anyway as it will destroy your health if you keep taking it

but as the article says basically the mark is firstly, not a physical mark but something only god and the angels can see

also the mark is basically participating in the economy (mamoth) at the expense of the faith in Jesus christ

you cant be pinned down and get the mark forced on you or anything as they will probs do with the mandatory vaccinations in australia and germany

do i make sense?

This shows the vaccine has aborted vital tissue

https://youtu.be/FUXGB5FzhPc

This shows the vaccine has aborted fital tissue

https://youtu.be/FUXGB5FzhPc

https://youtu.be/FUXGB5FzhPc

>>851132

Good people abide by good government, bad people do not. Bad people abide by bad government, good people do not.

I tell you God is the ultimate government, and no man can serve two governments.

>>857099

>its another schizo using revelations to justify his politics

Revelations 22:18-29

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Matthew 24:23

At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it.