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https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/10/02/martin-luther-probably-committed-suicide/

Like Judas.

>>848867

https://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2008/06/heres-one-i-dont-recall-hearing.html?m=1

Weak character attack

Luther was a heretic and he is probably in hell.

>>848872

Pointing out the diversity in Protestantism isn't necessarily a defense of Catholicism, but it is a genuine criticism of Protestantism, a criticism which has never been adequately answered by Protestant apologists. It's funny that that article cites the dispute between Peter and Paul because many Catholics today also look to that account when criticizing the Pope for his conduct. But you see, Peter and Paul didn't go off and form their own churches with their own individual interpretation of Jesus's message, rather Paul was correcting Peter because Peter's mode of conduct was hypocritical. Catholics and Orthodox have long recognized this, and both do criticize their leaders when they err. In Protestantism, however, the divisions are real, they're over doctrine, they're over fellowship, they over interpretation of the holy scriptures, and hundreds, possibly thousands, of Protestant denominations have sprung up in the last 500 years, many with very different theologies. Lutheran Protestants are theologically closer to Catholics then they are to Protestant Baptists. It's the irony of the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, the notion that we should be using scripture alone, which on the surface looks like a unifying idea because, after all, we just have to look at the plain meaning of scripture, but it turns out the "plain meaning" of scripture isn't so simple, and it has lead to the mass divisions we see within Protestantism today.

>>848872

That's one hard cope right there.

Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus!

>>848885

>>no argument

>> hur Catholic NPC meme

And that is why I am not Protestant. If it were true, there should only be ONE protestant church, NOT 33,000+. THUS it is a false man made religion. The only other Church that can come close to the Catholic Church is the Orthodox Church, as they both have apostolic succession, 9though the latter is very discombobulated in regards to unity between churches) But yeah, Protestantism is a clearly FALSE religion.

>>848895

ree harder lol

My church doesn't marry gays. Neither does yours.

My church preaches against homosexuality without any question. Yours does not.

My church members are unanimously against homosexuality. Your church members are majority in favor of it.

You cope by trying to play guilt by association, and it is always a double standard. Stay mad

>>848898

>>My Church preaches against homosexuality

My Church has not changed teachings on homosexuality. Also like I said, Protestants have to varying degrees allowed gay marriage. we will NEVER. It does not matter what the pope says. Unless his is speaking ex cathedra He can't change it.

Church member unanimous against it

Yet some how allowed it, you will NEVER see

>>848891

That can be found in Protestant Churches. The Church has seen FAR worse. There was a time when 985 percent of bishops denied Christs divinity. We pulled through that.

And I don't care what your "church" teaches. The fact that Protestants 'churchs' have allowed gay marriage at all, is proof of Protestantism falsity

>>848874

>Pointing out the diversity in Protestantism isn't necessarily a defense of Catholicism, but it is a genuine criticism of Protestantism, a criticism which has never been adequately answered by Protestant apologists.

Most of those factions are the Enlightenment and America's fault specifically. Not the Reformation. You didn't see so many factional differences until 2-300 years after the actual Reformation. Luther didn't have many striking differences with his peers. And when he did, he was able to budge and accommodate them. For example, his infamous comment about the Epistle of James frustrating him. He stupidly wanted it out of his bible. Thankfully, his friend Philip Melancthon talked him out of it and curbed Luther's worst impulses.

No, it's the pioneer age of America, of wide open spaces and people left on their own, that created many more offshoots. Along with slavery and the Civil War, which caused churches to split even amongst themselves (abolitionist supporting Baptists on one end, slavery supporting on the other). Even the Catholics suffered this calamity, where bishops in the South didn't stand up to slavery, while their counterparts in the North did. The one advantage they had is that all were beholden to Rome (and even then, Rome was shifty, where the Pope at the time corresponded and befriended Jefferson Davis. If this happened today, I'm almost sure Catholics would actually split too).

Other than that, the main factional difference in the original Reformation is the English Reformation and the Continental Reformation (Luther). Catholics (and even Protestants) are falsely taught these are all one event. Not even close. The English Reformation had been brewing for hundreds of years prior to Luther, with Lollards and Wycliffe, and even Catholic humanists who wanted to simplify the faith (none other than Thomas Moore and Erasmus are in this category). And when the Anglican church finally formed, they tried to follow this earlier humanist model, rather than the radical reform movements of Calvinists (Puritans) who came into their church over time. It got to the point where Puritans themselves killed the King of England and banned old Anglican practices. They weren't exactly friendly from the start.