b6d2ba No.846866
I know they're the sort of the same but my Dads side of the family is Baptist Christianity and my Moms side are Catholics. I'm not sure what I should choose,for whatever reason,my Dad absolutely hates Catholic belief and my Mom doesn't really have an opinion on it,well her brothers do but she's not that Catholic.
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6cdf10 No.846867
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522529 No.846868
Do you know the differences when it comes to the gospel?
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ce4b76 No.846870
Be a Catholic Christian like the early Christians
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522529 No.846871
>>846870
Not to be confused with today's Roman Catholic of course
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b75fcc No.846873
>>846866
>God -> Jesus
What the actual winnie the pooh? Jesus is God.
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522529 No.846875
>>846873
If I could guess the arrows are meant to convey authority. "God" refers to the father who gives authority to the son
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5d7cc9 No.846877
Matthew 16:18
You have to decide if you're going to make some excuse about it, or follow the LORD.
If you decide to make an excuse, be a Baptist and say "sola scriptura" and deny all the part of the Bible that you don't like.
Otherwise, be obedient, take the narrow path, and Follow the Church Christ Created. Remember, the Bible itself was produced by the Catholic Church: they wrote the books and decided which books should be in the Bible, and defended the Bible against corrupted translations.
Christ established a Church. He gave no instruction to the Apostles to write the Bible.
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9c5154 No.846885
>>846877
>Remember, the Bible itself was produced by the Catholic Church:
What shameless plagiarism to take away from God the glory of authoring his own sacred word!
Psalm 119:160
>Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
>Christ established a Church. He gave no instruction to the Apostles to write the Bible.
Isaiah 30:8
>Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
Revelation 1:11
>Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book,
Revelation 19:9
>And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
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9c5154 No.846888
>>846877
>Remember, the Bible itself was produced by the Catholic Church:
Then why does Christ say that it is His Word? Do you realize what you are doing, you are trying to take the glory God has and to give it to yourself?
He clearly told and instructed His holy apostles and prophets (they are His, not yours and you didn't tell them what to write) by inspiration of the Holy Ghost what they were to speak and write. It did not come by flesh and blood, as the Son of God said in Matthew 16:17.
Matthew 16:
> 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
It's unimaginable that you would act like they all acted under your inspiration instead of God's. The apostle Peter himself, a person I regard as one of the Lord's apostles, even wrote this line by inspiration of God:
2 Peter 1:20-21
>Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
> 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Therefore those who try to interject their own words into this pure word of God, and try to take credit for it away from God, are going to be judged according to those actions. I hope you understand this. We can cite numerous passages that support this. Proverbs 30:5-6, 2 Corinthians 2:17 (KJV), Revelation 22:18-19.
See also Hebrews 1:1-2
>God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
> 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Ephesians 2:19-20
>Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
> 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
1 Corinthians 3:11
>For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now how can you interject yourself? It would probably be better if you thought about this question than tried to answer it now.
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5613a3 No.846889
>>846866
Coming from experience, as one who is about to be baptized and confirmed in less than 72 hours…I CANNOT recommend Catholicism ENOUGH. Sure, it is hard and difficult, but it brings the best fruit of all.
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b75fcc No.846890
>>846866
Coming from experience, run like a bat out of hell and escape the kike psyop while you still can. Heaven is found in worship of Logic and honoring the OT Apocrypha and John. Reject all parts of the world of humanity most especially the parts that falsely claim to follow God.
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5d7cc9 No.846894
>>846888
>Then why does Christ say that it is His Word?
Because the Church created by God wrote God's word down.
The Bible just didn't spring out of nothing! The Catholic Church wrote it and defended it.
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5d7cc9 No.846895
>>846885
>What shameless plagiarism to take away from God the glory of authoring his own sacred word!
Jesus Christ didn't write one word of the Bible. It's all the Apostles and the Holy Father's of the Church.
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522529 No.846899
>>846894
There is no sense in which the authority of any books of scripture depends on the Roman Catholic church.
Where did you even pick that up?
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9c5154 No.846904
>>846895
The Lord God inspired his word and as I have already explained, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
You are not the arbiter of the truth and did not decide what God will have in God's own word. "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches." Note in the above quote the Bible says "I Jesus have sent." That is not you, it is God who has sent his word to us by legitimate apostles and prophets, those that actually wrote scripture.
>>846899
I don't know man, it's like I'm dealing with the most heinous case of plagiarism this world has ever seen. He actually thinks that the Word of God was given by him and his own illegitimate buddies and not divinely authored and inspired by the Lord!
As it says in Psalm 119:160, "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Amen!
Furthermore it is God who "hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, " And notice, it wasn't given by men or anything of that nature. I cannot believe or process that we are witnessing someone claiming all that for themselves.
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a5302f No.846913
>>846899
Not the bureaucracy, but without the God-given tradition, one can change all words of the Bible at will without changing a letter.
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5d7cc9 No.846917
>>846904
So, for 1500 years there was no true Bible until Martin Luther wrote one?
I don't think so! Obviously, the true Bible was in the hands of the Catholic Church.
God Created his Church and God Guides it.
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9c5154 No.846934
>>846917
Actually the original Greek and Hebrew versions have always existed, as have the Vetus Latina (pre-Vulgate) in the Latin language since 157 A.D.
The Wessex Gospels were translated straight from the Greek into Old English in the year 990. They did not have any of the characteristic corruptions of the Vulgate either, such as in Matthew 6:11 where "daily bread" is changed to "supersubstantial bread" or in John 3:5 where "born" is changed to "born again" (i.e. "natus" changed to "renatus" in Latin).
Where do you think we got the KJV from anyway?
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9c5154 No.846936
>>846917
FOR INSTANCE here are a few manuscripts in Latin (in addition to the Greek ones) that agree with the correct version because they are not Vulgate.
Codex Brixianus: respondit ihs · et dixit · amen amen dico tibi · nisi quis natus fuerit ex aqua et spu · no potest introire in regnum di
Codex Usserianus Primus: respondit ihs amen amen di[co] […][ni]si quis natus fuerit ex aqua et spu sco non [po][t] [es]t intrare in regnum di
Codex Carnotensus: respondit ihs et dixit amen amen dico tibi nis[i] quis natus fuerit ex aqua et spu non p[o] test introire in regnum [di]
So there you go. No corruptions being used here. And as far as intentionally spreading corruptions the council of Trent wasn't until 1567 or whatever. I'll try not to confuse by making too many remarks too much at once though. I see that you haven't tried to deny any of the true things said so far. So it looks like we're making progress.
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522529 No.846941
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5d7cc9 No.846942
>>846934
Yes, the Catholic Church had the Bible. I don't see how that vindicates Protestant Bibles.
Or did the Bible exist before the God's true Church?
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9c5154 No.846948
>>846942
God authored it and the legitimate prophets and apostles were inspired by the Holy Ghost. I'm glad you're not disagreeing with that point. Only ones trying to change its contents would be the false prophets, for instance Marcion who tried to create his own authoritative canon apart from the Scripture that exists. And then later guys came and tried to add apocrypha, same deal with them as well.
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9c5154 No.846949
>>846877
>>846948
From the Book of Revelation ch. 22:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
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9c5154 No.846950
>>846949
Forgot pic.
The original Greek version of John 3:5 says "born" not "born again" and as soon as they realized there were no Greek manuscripts that had that modification added to it they realized they had messed up big time revealing the ploy completely. Same with Matthew 6:11 where they changed daily bread to supersubstantial bread. How many people were deceived by these two modifications for getting people into their false interpretations of the sacraments. Did the corrupters think no day of judgment was coming, and that they would get away with it?
"For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad." - Luke 8:17
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d10d4b No.846952
Neither Protestant nor Catholic.
Religion is an aspect of mental illness that relies on demonstrably unproven theory being told as fact. Societal hierarchy and church hierarchy involve you trusting authority and believing what you are being told. It is better to be a charitable person who does good deeds than rely on religion and acts purely in the name of a God(s) or other entity you use as a proxy of authority for your actions in this world.
Go out and do good. Don't worry about the nonsense debate here.
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9c5154 No.846955
>>846952
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" - Romans 1:20
>Religion is an aspect of mental illness
Not according to the definition.
>relies on demonstrably unproven theory being told as fact.
See Romans 1:20.
>hierarchy involve you trusting authority
Yes? Is this a problem? Been listening to a lot of '60s music?
>It is better to be a charitable person
>Go out and do good.
In order to define good, one must first have an authority and standard by which the quality of things is judged. In the truth-acknowledging Christian man's profession of faith, this is God. God is our actual Creator, who rightfully is actually the Lord and has made his word known.
With pure naturalist materialism, there is no authority, no way to assign value or make quality judgment of any kind, nor to say one thing is good or better than any other thing. You suggest by using the word "good" not to fully believe this.
Psalm 37:3 says "Trust in the Lᴏʀᴅ, and do good;"
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a5302f No.846959
>>846950
Επιούσιον is the original Greek, it's translated as daily in other languages. Supersubstancial is just a fancy way of saying "of every instance", or constant/daily.
Stop removing and adding things to fit your worldview.
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5d7cc9 No.846960
>>846948
>God authored it and the legitimate prophets and apostles were inspired by the Holy Ghost.
Then how did various Bibles end up saying different things?
>God authored it and the legitimate prophets and apostles were inspired by the Holy Ghost
That's a reference to the book of revelation. If it wasn't, then Martin Luther is no longer in the Book of Life and you're using a false Bible.
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da5342 No.846974
b8, but pretty obvious m8 if it's not
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9c5154 No.846994
>>846959
ἐπιούσιον is the original Greek. Agreed.
>Supersubstancial is just a fancy way of saying "of every instance", or constant/daily.
No it is not. See the definition.
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9c5154 No.846997
>>846960
>how did various Bibles end up saying different things?
See what the apostle Paul wrote in his second epistle to the Corinthians.
2 Corinthians 2:17
"For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."
Now see where the apostle himself, the apostle Paul tells us that there are "many, which corrupt the word of God." These are the people responsible for making corrupt versions. Marcion, for instance. And others. But regardless, the holy church has safeguarded the Scripture all this time. As Paul said, there are some, himself and the original Corinthians included, who were not part of the crowd that corrupted the words of scripture. Pretty straightforward fulfillment of prophecy that we have to deal with "many" corrupters today.
>That's a reference to the book of revelation.
What? No it isn't. It says that in 2 Peter 2:21 and 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
2 Peter 2:21
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
See that?
>you're using a false Bible.
We have shown already how the Vulgate contains confirmed corruptions, such that nobody still contends its version of John 3:5 and Matthew 6:11 was in the original Greek New Testament. Not unless they are just ignorant of the facts which I have previously pointed out, which may very well be in the case of whomever told you that.
>If it wasn't, then Martin Luther is no longer in the Book of Life
Now this is the strangest statement here. What relevance does it have exactly?
My Bible doesn't contain the addition of the word "alone" to Romans 3:28. It is partially based on William Tyndale's translation (follows a lot of the word translations, such as where he coined the English word "passover"), as well as the Geneva Bible of 1560 and the Bishops Bible 1568, but with the addition of a slightly more accurate T.R. than either of those. Have you even researched the history of the English Bibles?
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9c5154 No.846998
>>846997
>2 Peter 2:21
Sorry that's actually 2 Peter 1:21, I immediately saw that after I hit post.
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718d1a No.847288
>>846866
I would post this slightly modified chart.
Acts 2:41
"Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."
Acts 8:36-38
"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."
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