1b40a3 No.845857
What do Orthodox think about the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart? Many Catholics believe it has been fulfilled in Russia's return to Russian Orthodoxy after nearly 70 years of communism. What say you?
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3f0483 No.845858
>>845857
IIRC, one of the kids said Consecrating means Russia will become Uniate from communism, and other said it will become EO, so it's inconclusive.
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ad6f25 No.845859
>>845857
i dont think we know, atleast the catholic church can make it unambiguous that it has indeed been consecrated properly
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6da3a6 No.845860
>>845857
It wasnt consecrated, Popes did some cucked consecrations of the entire world, evading the direct order as to not hurt russian feelings or something.
The warning was - consecrate it or its errors will spread to the world.
Seems its errors did spread to the world and we see it nowadays in spectacular fashion throughout the west.
That Russia is returning to Christianity isnt crucial, the matter at hand was stopping the evil from spreading and it did spread its all over western universities and culture.
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8150c2 No.845861
>>845857
>>845860
As much as I want it to be true that they converted, it just seems to be a minority of faithful in Russia. It's got a long way to go before we can truly say Russia has embraced Christ.
But yeah, the errors of Communism have returned in full force. Worse even. Since this present incarnation doesn't even care about class issues at all. It's brand of Communism is based off of Identity politics. These people are even more psychotic than the Bolsheviks. They'll unironically condemn a white homeless man as "privileged" in comparison to a rich black man.
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3f0483 No.845863
>>845861
Nah, the Bolsheviks were way more insane.
The intersectionalist crowd are just dumb and disorganized, and have mutated in it's own far-leftist thing.
Also, these idiots can't even keep their own audience from abandoning them.
Notice how they are starting to turn on asians, hispanics, gays, and white women(asians are model minorities, latino immigration is tampering down and they are making something for themselves, gays(which are richer than the average citizen) arent so crazy about their insane anti-capitalist rhetoric, not that they got "marriage" and society applauding them, and the "Karen" meme is starting to get used for score-settling).
Also notice how they are starting to fly the trans flags instead of the rainbow one, and their disadvantages groups are starting to be variations of "trans, black, indigenous, and women of colour", LGBT is starting to be dropped, and hispanics as well, outside of the incredibly stupid SJW form "Latinx"(again, slipping towards non-male hispanics).
If they werent so stupid and damaging, it'd be fascinating to watch them mutate out of control.
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2fe9bf No.845865
What does that mean?
What is an immaculate heart? What is consecration? It sounds like something a badly programmed AI would come up with, it is incoherent.
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5d0f7d No.845890
>>845865
The Immaculate Heart of Mary is a devotional name used to refer to the interior life of the Blessed Virgin Mary, her joys and sorrows, her virtues and hidden perfections, and, above all, her virginal love for God the Father, her maternal love for her son Jesus, and her compassionate love for all people.
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b86cac No.845891
>>845863
The turbo-leftists are just deeply subverted individuals who are tragically being used as tools for the kabbalists that pull their strings using various levers they have devised. Kabbalism, sodomy and (since the renaissance at least) the state church have long been working through synchronized dialectics.
They create the designated left and right wing "platforms" with which to cause poor lost people without Christ to attack each other, while they take the positions of being "elites" and media "trendsetters". I wouldn't confused those turboleftists with the spiritual darkness in high places that is kabbalism. The original bolsheviks were more the latter, but merely under a different zeitgeist. Their followers, however, were more the former. Both they and the Natsocs were largely defined by the writings of Moses Hess, another talmudist and kabbalist, in an era prior to them.
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2fe9bf No.845894
>>845890
So consecrating it to these impressions is to mold Russia's culture by germanic romantism?
These things you worship are worldly. The inner life of man is completely devoided of meaning.
St. Justin Popovich is right, Roman Catholics play romance with God.
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2685a5 No.845899
Russia's errors already spread through the world. KGB and the Soviet Union continue to live in the USA
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717539 No.845926
>>845894
>The inner life of man is completely devoid of meaning
Umm, well how then do you expect to get to heaven? I'm curious, your response opens up perhaps a completely different way of viewing things. I've always thought that faith, since it is purely internal, is part of its own battle entirely different from what is outwardly experienced.
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2fe9bf No.845932
>>845926
Faith is not an "internal" assertion in the sense Descartes uses it. This sense of intellect, mind or even person as something absolutely hidden is not present in the ancient world of Christ and early Patristics. Personhood, in orthodoxy as in the ancient world, is not introverted, it is ekstatic.
Faith is the ekstatic movement towards the Father, through Christ, sustained by the grace of the Holy Spirit. Its analogies are fidelity, dedication, a promise, a commitment, an alliance, etc. To have faith is to remain faithful.
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8150c2 No.846008
>>845932
>fidelity
Word. Faith = Faitfhfulness.
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717539 No.846037
>>845932
I think I understand. So if you were to say that all you need is faith, then you would also by saying faith mean works also.
I think I came to this view recently because I got a little off track in my understanding of sin. I returned therefore to thinking of the new covenant. It's a contract, and we mustn't be in breach of contract, and if we sin we must repair the contract. So what you say makes perfect sense.
Thank you, there's a lot of false mysticism out there and it clouds the mind. I really enjoy my religion most when it is free of philosophizing and all that junk.
I wonder why it is that such things can seem obvious one moment, and be utterly out of reach the next? Perhaps it is the ebb and flow of intellectual grace.
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90b20d No.846038
>>845932
Faith is the ability to see a logical puzzle through, without giving in to primitive emotion. It is the peak expression of free will. It's more akin to determination in the modern sense. The modern distaste for Aquinas is a testament to this era's lack of Faith. Everyone chooses feels before reals.
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717539 No.846049
>>846038
Aquinas is important, but some renewal of his thoughts is needed.
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2fe9bf No.846057
>>846037
Not works in the sense Paul uses it. Saint Paul is competing against the idea that dialogue comes to truth, basically philosophy, he is trying to avoid Christianity's degeneration into something akin to stoicism or taoism.
The ancient world did not see the self as isolated from the world. Some of the more simple, and usually older, of believers are dumb founded by atheists and ask 'who created YOU' over and over again, because they operate in the more natural perspective of the self being integrated to the world.
What I mean is that it is an error to credit belief to an feeling of sureness. For example, an actor saying 'I love you' in a theater may have his "internal states" exactly the same as another saying it genuinely to his wife. Even worse than that, the actor may "feel it deeper". What determines what action is hypocrital, made in bad faith, is if he stays true to his promises and words - not how intense his sentiments are.
An anedocte about my past self is that I have told lies completely believing in them. I never had a big problem with compulsive lying, but I would imagine compulsive liars genuinely have the sense of telling the truth in what they say - though they act in "bad faith".
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52a591 No.846058
>>846037
>faith mean works
Contradictory with Ephesians 2
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2fe9bf No.846059
>>846038
But there is something meta-rational in interest that you're not taking into account. I do not believe atheists do not believe in God because they have not heard the reasons or choose to not hear them. Neither do I believe I'm a creationist out of ignorance of scientific data.
The intellect can comprehend an object, but never could it comprehend how he does it - likewise, we could not hear oneself hearing something. In this sense one can say faith is a gift because it does not come from our actions, struggles and works - like Saint Paul says.
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8150c2 No.846084
Paul constantly talked about the importance of morals - and the danger of ignoring them. They are not the kind of "works" he ever dismissed. What "works" he said didn't save were works of the Torah. EVERY TIME he mentions "works" he's talking about covenant laws and Jewish purity rituals. Especially the circumcision and dietary issues that troubled the Gentiles in the early church. Part of his mission as Apostle to the Gentiles was to alleviate anxiety around this specifically. Not an excuse for anyone to be a faggot, fornicator, thief, or murderer, just because they had some pointless "mental assertion" of Jesus' existence. As James' famously said, anyone who simply relegated "faith" to the realm of belief is no better than a demon: "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder." - [James 2:19]. And like demons, people like this bring nothing but destruction. They intentionally turn people away from following explicit commands of morality and service taught by Christ. ONLY A DEMON does this.
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280790 No.846118
>>845863
As a hispanic I will laugh to see their plan fall apart as God is in control.
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