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Oneness † 09/12/20 (Sat) 04:21:59 8b58eb No.845722

Trinitarianism is polytheism, Trinitarians make God into nothing but a class of individuals. You put the persons before the essence. That is directly against Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear O Israel, the Lord is God, the Lord is one"

God is ONE. The Father is how God reveals himself to creation, the Son is how God reveals himself in Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is how God reveals himself to the Christian Church. Scripture does not teach Trinitarianism, it teaches Oneness. This was the teaching of the Apostles and this is what Apostolic Christians who have received baptism of the Holy Ghost believe in today because the Holy Ghost speaks through us.

>For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

>Isaiah 9:6

>Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

>Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

>John 14:9-10

>Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

>2 Corinthians 3:17

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† 09/12/20 (Sat) 04:29:47 002e25 No.845726

>>845722

Trinitarians never said there were three gods. You're putting words in their mouth, and then insisting that they repent of it. All Trinitarians say God is one. Stop blaming other people for your own misunderstanding.

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† SAGE! 09/12/20 (Sat) 04:37:38 bfeb1a No.845728

>>845722

This is a trinitarian board. Here we sage heterodoxy.

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† 09/12/20 (Sat) 04:42:55 217dd4 No.845729

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>>845726

It doesn't matter what you say, heretic. You make God into a class, you put the persons before the essence. That is, by definition, polytheism. God is nothing but three individuals for you. For Apostolic Christians, God is the Almighty, the Everlasting, who has no divisions or distinctions in him, he is not simply a "class" of persons, God IS God. God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit. God died on the cross for your sins.

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† 09/12/20 (Sat) 05:59:00 820fdf No.845731

>>845722

There has to be a Trinity. There are three specific constituents God must have.

1. There must be a creator of everything, the uncaused cause. This is God the Father.

2. Since the cosmological argument logically proves God must exist this means Logic itself mandates God must exist. Nothing can have this power over God other than God Himself, meaning Logic itself must be God. There must be God the Son, the Logos, Jesus Christ.

3. We know from revelation and scripture that God's spirit is active in this world. So there must be God the Holy Ghost.

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† 09/12/20 (Sat) 09:53:15 161a1f No.845735

>>845731

EMJ fanboy, sod off.

Your wacko "theologian" sucks at neo-platonism.

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† 09/12/20 (Sat) 10:14:22 abd05d No.845736

Your criticism is purely exoteric.

Actual Christians know these are three aspects of God, not three gods.

Christian philosophers, theologians and scholars have had two millennia to finely hone their intellectual tradition. If you think you can even touch that with such a stale and poorly considered argument, perhaps you also think you can jump to the moon on a pogo stick, as that's pretty much how your argument appears to me - childish and silly.

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† 09/12/20 (Sat) 12:01:44 a4a025 No.845737

Perhaps it might help you to know that polytheism was first coined by Saint Gegory Palamas against western modalism. This is your view in

>God is ONE. The Father is how God reveals himself to creation, the Son is how God reveals himself in Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is how God reveals himself to the Christian Church

We talk of one God because there is one Father, or principle/power who alone is unbegotten. What determines oneness is not how many individuals have the Divine essence but that God-the-Father alone is unbegotten.

The primary meaning of God is the person of the Father. Not even Saint Augustine takes the primary meaning of God as Trinity outside his Dae Trinitae, which he says is a book in which he is still learning and not to be taken as definite.

In short, you're right in criticizing the Roman Catholic Trinity, since it indeed is polytheism, but your modalism is just a rebranding of it. Not the orthodox trinity, however. Become orthodox.

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† 09/13/20 (Sun) 00:23:30 739b47 No.845759

>>845735

Anger and ad hominems are not arguments.

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† 09/13/20 (Sun) 03:23:01 217dd4 No.845764

>>845737

I am not a "Modalist", I am an Apostolic Christian and I believe in Oneness. You're correct in saying that the Father is unbegotten because the Father is God as God, how God reveals himself to creation as creation distinct from himself as God. The Son is simply another way God reveals himself, the Son is begotten in time as Jesus. But the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are fundamentally the same as the single God, so Jesus in his divine nature is unbegotten, but begotten in his human nature. The Father is the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Son is the Father and the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son. They are the same. Any attempt to make distinctions between them, unless in speaking about how God has revealed himself in different ways through them, is polytheism. So the Eastern Orthodox view is still polytheism because it posits a distinction between the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. That is blasphemy and, as articulated in the above verse, against the Biblical teaching of God.

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† 09/13/20 (Sun) 03:43:22 7e8063 No.845765

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>>845764

1 John 2:23

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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† 09/13/20 (Sun) 03:49:54 217dd4 No.845766

>>845765

I don't deny the Son I affirm him, and I affirm the Father, and I affirm ONE God which is the Biblical teaching.

>John 1:1

Yeah, and? Jesus was eternally foreordained by God (1 Peter 1:20, KJV) and so was always "with" him in that sense, and Jesus IS God, so the Word IS God. It declares Jesus and God to be exactly the same thing!

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† 09/13/20 (Sun) 16:22:01 a4a025 No.845773

>>845764

>The Son is simply another way God reveals himself

This is modalism. Your suppositions about unity are pagan, because you suppose distinction means conflict. This is hellenic pagan philosophy. Again, we orthodox termed polytheism to talk about modalists who teach created grace. It is you who is the polytheist.

The gospels teach that the Son and Comforter serve the Father without being inferior in Being, you teach that God wears masks in time while one mask serves the other.

>>845766

You have an erronous view of language. Does "I am in this picture" mean I live in a 2D photograph?

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† SAGE! 09/14/20 (Mon) 19:31:17 54b1c2 No.845829

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† SAGE! 09/19/20 (Sat) 09:22:23 f1c6b2 No.846117

>>845766

>I don't deny the Son I affirm him, and I affirm the Father, and I affirm ONE God which is the Biblical teaching.

If you actually did any of that, you would be a trinitarian.

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