An ACNA Priest's view of the placement of Anglicanism in the Church family

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An ACNA Priest's view of the placement of Anglicanism in the Church family † 09/10/20 (Thu) 20:18:32 925013 No.845644

>The English Reformation is not the same thing as Anglicanism. Anglicanism has it's roots in the early 4th century long before it came under the jurisdiction of Rome. Anglicans are Catholic Christians although tempered by the reformation.

>Theologically Anglicanism has more in common with Eastern Orthodoxy than either Roman Catholicism or Protestantism. However, Anglican liturgy is much more like the western Church than the eastern Church. We are Orthodox, Catholic and Evangelical all at the same time. Henry the 8th only represents the political division between Anglicans and the Bishop of Rome. Anglican spirituality is one of branches of ancient Christianity, it did not begin with King Henry or the Reformation. An Anglican Bishop in valid Apostolic Succession was in attendance at the Council of Nicene in A.D.325.

>The Reformation changed us all, not to mention the whole of Western Civilization. But unlike many of our more radical brethren of the various reform movements, we did not throw out the baby with the bathwater. We see ourselves as remaining faithful to both Scripture and Tradition especially as that Tradition has been delivered to us by the Early Fathers of the Church. Since we allow our theology to be molded more by the Early Fathers than any of the other later expressions of Christian thought, we think of our theology to be more in keeping with Eastern Orthodoxy than Roman Catholicism or Protestantism. One very good example of this is our thinking concerning The Holy Eucharist. Anglicans assert the doctrine known as "The very real present of Christ in the Eucharist". This is much closer to the Orthodox understanding than is Transubstantiation. Anglican communicants most definitely believe that a real change takes place in the elements of bread and wine but do not try to use Aristotle's philosophical definitions in order to describe it as did Aquinas.

>For Anglicans and the Eastern Church a real change takes place but it is a Mystery as to how God causes this to happen. Since the very word "Sacrament" means a mystery we do not try to define it but by faith we assert that The Bread and wine of Holy Communion really are the body and blood of our Savior. This is but one example of our closer Theological connection to Orthodoxy than Romanism.

Interesting, right?

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† 09/10/20 (Thu) 20:18:43 925013 No.845645

https://www.invidiou.site/watch?v=8oa2Po4Lw60

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† 09/10/20 (Thu) 20:20:32 925013 No.845646

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† 09/10/20 (Thu) 22:06:31 ac89da No.845656

Why isn't he orthodox if he thinks we're so great?

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† 09/10/20 (Thu) 22:44:34 925013 No.845658

>>845656

He's not saying that, he's saying his tradition is more like the east than alternatives

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 06:51:08 e5dadc No.845675

>Anglicanism has it's roots in the early 4th century

Lol

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 08:29:12 480906 No.845677

>>845644

Problem is, that, while the kingdoms of the north always had a distinct identity and independence(the germanic crowned heads used to play tug-o-war with the Pope over bishop naming, to negotiate some perks), the Anglican project was a schizophrenic attempt to add reformation ideas over a simplified catholic framework, which resulted in their theology being all over the place, and their communion being an absolute mess.

This attempt at having their cake and eating it too also allowed various radical, low church grounds to fester in itself, only to turn on them and denounce them later.

The twice removed descendants of those include the baptists(who's more radical anti-catholic wing would generate we wuz groups like the adventists, JWs, mormons, INFBs, etc.), the evangelicals, the Disciples of Christ, and others.

So, even assuming their apostolic succession still works, as much as Anglicans try to present themselves as Western Catorthodox, they are mutated way past that.

Even him being ACNA says a lot, since those guys are schismed away episcopalians over the issue of liberalism, that are in communion with parts of the Anglican Church, but not with many.

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 12:49:00 ac89da No.845681

>>845658

Tradition without truth is no argument.

Thr subtext is that Anglicanism is closer to orthodoxy, thus more correct than Roman Catholicism. While that might be true, he gave no reason to be Anglican and not orthodox.

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 12:56:52 ac89da No.845682

>>845677

The arrogance of Rome not allowing germanic and anglo-saxon Patriarchates is the cause of the schism.

While that might have been noble in the past centuries, there is no stretch of a reason for them now that orthodoxy is there. This is why they have to invent coping mechanisms about how they are actually orthodox while not being orthodox, they know it's just dumb ethnic pride holding them there.

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 13:36:42 4b1466 No.845685

>>845644

I've been trying to explain that here for awhile. Although I'm of the Methodist variety (consider me low church, I suppose). Those of you who see the beauty and truth of patristics, ecumenical councils, and orthodoxy, but don't want to imitate other cultures - well, you'd find a good place here.

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 13:54:13 4b1466 No.845686

>>845677

There's only really one "low church" element to Anglicans - that's the Methodists. And Wesley himself was always an Anglican. He never changed. Methodism was more of a revival movement within Anglicanism. It didn't become a separate thing in any widespread capacity until missionary work in America. And some of that runs parallel with America's independence from England in general.

Puritans and other congregational types were never "low church" Anglicans, technically. They never wanted to be at least. They sprung from Calvin's Geneva movement and Knox's Presbyterian movement in Scotland. This was Continental Reformation elements coming ashore. Not something that sprung from the English Reformation per se. They were forced to conform within England, and all they did was fight back - and ended up killing the King himself.

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 13:54:26 925013 No.845687

>>845685

You are wiser than most posters here

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 13:56:40 925013 No.845688

>>845686

Puritan and Anglican aren't mutually exclusive, there were puritans who stayed within the English church. In our American speech we tend to oversimplify puritans as just the separatist pilgrims

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† 09/11/20 (Fri) 15:29:19 4b1466 No.845689

>>845688

Well, I had Cromwell in mind and not the pilgrims per se. It might've been better for everyone if they had all become pilgrims actually.

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