Tolstoy and Romans 13

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Tolstoy and Romans 13 † 09/05/20 (Sat) 05:15:14 92115b No.845104

Does this quote from Tolstoy conflict with Romans 13 ?

>The dogma, that all the governments of the world are approvingly ordained of God, and that The Powers That Be in the United States, in Russia, in Turkey, are in accordance with His will, is not less absurd than impious. It makes the impartial Author of human freedom and equality, unequal and tyrannical. It cannot be affirmed that The Powers That Be, in any nation, are actuated by the spirit, or guided by the example of Christ, in the treatment of enemies: therefore, they cannot be agreeable to the will of God: and, therefore, their overthrow, by a spiritual regeneration of their subjects, is inevitable.

>Romans 13 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

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† 09/05/20 (Sat) 07:17:12 81b85b No.845118

This is the 6th thread about Romans 13 and how you dont really have to follow it.

You idiots are planning some racially motivated shooting, and trying to encourage and warm people up for it, dont you?

I know they have been trying to goad people on /pnd/ into doing something violent, ever since BLM started, so its not surprising.

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† SAGE! 09/05/20 (Sat) 16:36:04 8971c4 No.845142

>>845118

This, Tolstoy was a heretic. Government is a byproduct of sin, the evils of government are deserved penance for sin. Every nation gets the government it deserves. Resisting government means resisting God.

If you remember, the Israelites only got a government because they wouldn't follow God, so God gave them King Saul, who was terrible. But they deserved Saul, since they would not obey God.

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† 09/05/20 (Sat) 22:57:16 92115b No.845198

>>845142

>Resisting government means resisting God.

But he is right that the government isn't ordained by God, even the bible says:

>Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

>1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

We all know that the governments/kingdoms of the world are controlled by Satan. So his quote has some validity to it, even if he is going against scripture.

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† 09/05/20 (Sat) 23:49:59 7898c5 No.845203

>>845118

THIS. If you they do something so…STUPID and wicked…. and get people KILLED… it will be an ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL!!! I will be GLAD if you guys get kicked off…permanently

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† 09/06/20 (Sun) 00:56:21 06c858 No.845209

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>>845198

What part of "the evils of government are a punishment for sin" do you not understand? The only sin a government can really be guilty of is not having the power to enforce reasonable laws. If a government lacks power sufficient to regulate society, it should be supplanted with a new government that does have the requisite power.

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† 09/06/20 (Sun) 01:50:13 b0eed8 No.845213

>>845209

Is this bait?

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† 09/06/20 (Sun) 01:52:10 92115b No.845214

>>845209

I disagree, The government doesn't get unlimited power, you're allowed to disobey them when they conflict with God. It also doesn't say anything about not being able to disagree with the government or speaking against it, since it's lawful in the U.S.

>Romans 13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

@845118

>You idiots are planning some racially motivated shooting, and trying to encourage and warm people up for it, dont you?

It's the second thread about Romans 13 and No.

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† 09/06/20 (Sun) 01:52:27 878ba8 No.845215

>>845198

> The Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will. (Daniel 4:17)

Satan can only operate within the limits imposed on him by God. Satan controls nothing by his own power. Be careful not to make the devil seem more powerful than God but turning His own creation against him when it’s not the case. Everything is done with God’s permission.

>He commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey him. (Mark 1:27)

In Job 1 Satan needed God’s permission.

Bad governments are a result of sin. God has given Satan control over the kingdoms of Earth as punishment.

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† 09/07/20 (Mon) 04:35:04 0e4e1c No.845389

>>845209

>The only sin a government can really be guilty of is not having the power to enforce reasonable laws. If a government lacks power sufficient to regulate society, it should be supplanted with a new government that does have the requisite power.

Contradicts your entire premise, if any government is overthrown then they a priori have been proven to have lacked the power to govern society.

<It's sinful to fight if you lose bro

All the martyrs died resisting the dictats of their government, try to spin defying the decrees of what religions the state authorizes to be practiced as not resisting authority.

Also all of this is moot if you're talking about de jure government in the western world, since the rights of the citizenry to resist tyrannical government, with force if necessary, are implied throughout alot of constitutions (this is particularly true of the US). If you're including governance that doesn't fall under the actual letter of the law, but rather the tools which government uses to de facto rule society, then don't ever contradict cable news, academia, talk shows etc. because those are tools of governance, and telling the truth is de facto resistance.

All that being said, courting confrontation or daydreaming of armed insurrection at this point is foolish and unproductive. Take care of you and yours, organize, and plan for the future of your community.

>>845118

>>845203

The hell is with you tards? Did that pedophile who got shot go to the same synagogue as you?

>>845215

>Satan can only act within bounds set by God

>ergo the works of satan are good

We've got an austere religious scholar here.

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† 09/07/20 (Mon) 14:50:28 7898c5 No.845424

>>845389

>> no I am concerned /pol/ will screw up again and take the site down…permanently. And with the posts coming from some prots supporting racial division it is NOT beyond reason that they will do something VERY stupid

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† 09/08/20 (Tue) 02:08:46 598537 No.845462

>>845104

The Taliban force women to wear burqa because a woman's face is a source of corruption, according to them. The woman who is seen outside without a burqa is punished. In the West the men who are victims of that corruption from seeing her face are instead punished. Both are states.

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† 09/08/20 (Tue) 02:10:09 598537 No.845463

It's s— like this that makes me sympathize with the Jews in their disdain of Christians.

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† 09/08/20 (Tue) 02:11:55 598537 No.845464

>>845104

>a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil

I thought Chistians were supposed to forgive?

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