45800c No.844521
I don't understand this. So Jesus was totally sinless and yet the state sentenced him to be nailed to a cross and tortured to death? How does that make any sense? It has to be metaphor.
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b1f2fd No.844523
>>844521
IF you read the Gospel, you'd see that the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, said he could find no fault with Our Lord.
The Pharisees demanded he be put to death with the twin threats of slandering Pilate to Caesar and a revolt.
Pilate wasn't sure that Caesar wouldn't be fooled and didn't want all the deaths, so Jesus Christ was sacrificed to save many lives.
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249b81 No.844527
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45800c No.844528
>>844523
What's that supposed to be a metaphor for? Sounds like the so-called governor wasn't the actual power here, but rather the pharisees, and there's a saying that goes "justice is the opinion of the powerful", so the pharisees are the actual state here, the so-called governor just a public display like Obama reading from a teleprompter.
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b1f2fd No.844539
>>844528
>Sounds like the so-called governor wasn't the actual power here
That's what Christ said too.
Go and read the Gospel of John.
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db0fff No.844541
Metaphors have ro make sense also. I think you have a distorted understanding of what is a metaphor.
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45800c No.844546
>>844539
the usual cop-out for someone who hasn't read the bible himself, you didn't actually say anything enlightening
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45800c No.844547
>>844541
yeah, like walking on water
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516c47 No.844552
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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45800c No.844554
>>844552
>to be sin
What does that mean that somebody is sin? What's the meaning of the metaphor? Do you even know what you're saying or are you just trying to say fancy words?
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516c47 No.844556
>>844554
It's scripture. 2 Corinthians 5.
The meaning is that as we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
We sin and deserve judgment, but God sent his only son to be a perfect sacrifice for our sinfulness. He was the was our substitute for the penalty we deserve, and that grace can be applied to each of us by faith.
To say he "became sin" is debatably metaphor, the crucifixion is not and neither is the atonement.
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45800c No.844558
>>844556
>the crucifixion is not
it clearly is
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516c47 No.844559
>>844558
This should be good. Why do you think so?
The Bible surely refers to the crucifixion event as history, and even non Christian historians of the time refer to the crucifixion like Josephus.
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45800c No.844561
>>844559
can be both a historical event and a metaphor
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516c47 No.844562
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45800c No.844563
>>844562
Well there was someone that was talking about how there can be multiple levels of meaning to passages in scripture, don't remember who it was. Is it so hard to imagine how you can have some bloke in the middle east nailed to a cross, and then a story in a book about a bloke being nailed to a cross in the middle east but where the key thing is the metaphor.
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516c47 No.844568
>>844563
I really don't get what you're saying here
My point is that Jesus really was nailed to a cross, and that is plainly what the Bible teaches.
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516c47 No.844570
>>844569
yes, but the red sea was Moses not Jesus
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45800c No.844571
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516c47 No.844573
>>844571
What is the point?
Do you not think the walking on water or the parting of the red sea is literal either?
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45800c No.844574
>>844573
yeah I don't think those are historical events, some guy named Jesus might have been nailed to a cross but that's more or less coincidence
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cad66c No.844576
>>844521
No it's not, it makes perfect sense when you consider the perversity of human nature.
Haven't you heard proverbs like "the good die young" and "no good deed goes unpunished"?
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516c47 No.844577
>>844574
Ok. Whatever your personal modern presuppositions, you must agree that the Bible clearly presents them as history. They are written in the genre of historical prose.
You have a lot of theological problems to work out with that one.
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1c2256 No.844589
Don't throw your pearls before swine.
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928ca4 No.844592
>>844589
Is spreading truth on imageboards throwing pearls before swine? There certainly are a lot of jewish shill swine on these places.
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459066 No.844598
>>844521
So this post is a thinly-veiled criticism of anytime a person says something in the Bible is metaphorical when it isn't explicitly said to be, is that correct?
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b1f2fd No.844619
>>844546
Oh, fun.
Op is here to insult people and say things he had no idea if they're true or not, like I've not read the Gospel of John.
Well I took the bait by acting in good faith.
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b1f2fd No.844620
>>844592
I think he means "don't feed the trolls".
Op isn't looking for an answer he's looking to lead Christians from the Cross or to provoke them.
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000000 No.844624
>>844521
In the Old Covenant, the Israelites atoned for their sins by sacrificing a sheep, a goat or a bull that is without any defects [Leviticus 22:17-32] in atonement before God, and it ought to be perfect to bear the spiritual burden of the Israelites for them. Christ is the Victim for the sins of not only the Israelites, but also that of all of mankind from Adam until the end of time, making Christ's death on the cross, a death given to Him after the Jews made an accusation against Him for blasphemy and the condemnation by the Gentile Romans to such a horrific fate of crucifixion made before God a pure and unblemished sacrifice sufficient enough to atone for [Galatians 3:13] and to make the promise of grace accessible to everyone.
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a48c3e No.844625
>>844624
Your post is barely readable. And I still think it's metaphor. Apparently a lot of people on here are so thin skinned and have so little faith that any discussion is seen as a threat to it.
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db0fff No.844659
>>844574
Then this guy named Jesus was simply a madman.
Either Christ was divine or a merely a madman. There aren't other options.
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d1dcb8 No.844667
>>844521
Is this the best the eternal atheist can come up with?
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