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502bb2  No.844095

You have 5 (five) days to reconcile God's sovereignty with man's responsibility to any satisfactory degree.

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f39e3e  No.844099

>>844095

I am of God and no one else is and you all have to serve me or go to hell. Final.

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502bb2  No.844100

>>844099

Well at least what you speak is the logical conclusion of Catholicism.

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9cb55e  No.844101

>God is sovereign

>man is held responsible for his own actions

fin

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502bb2  No.844103

>>844101

Are you a Calvinist?

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9cb55e  No.844130

>>844103

si señor

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c7e32b  No.844137

I don't see what is there to be reconciled.

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236b0f  No.844139

What can I reconcile?

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9809e8  No.844142

>>844095

Well, God is entirely sovereign, so the only reason for human responsibility is that God wants us to be humble. Your conscience is mostly a natural inclination, it is not really consistent with scripture to trust that your conscience is always right. It is consistent with scripture to trust that the scriptures are always right about how we should govern our conscience.

Conscience, since it is a natural creature, can sometimes get it wrong; conscience often moves us to pass judgement on ourselves and others unless we have the scriptures informing us to not do this. Only the gospel tells us that the perfection of charity is to judge not, and to give our gifts to the just and the unjust without discrimination. These are not natural impulses at all.

Now when I say "judge not" I don't mean that we have to put up with crime, but that we should strive to make sure that where we have to judge, that judgement is temporary, and forgiveness is possible. We may make judgements daily, but we should not condemn, because that is robbing God of his jurisdiction as judge of quick and dead.

So in closing; God is king over all, God is the judge of all creation, what God says is final. Man is a temporary creature, his reason and feelings of responsibility are temporary, therefore his judgements are to be temporary. If God will forgive us, as we are informed in scripture he is ever-ready to do, then our forgiveness cannot be withheld unreasonably from our fellow man, if we are going to act as good Christians.

The paradox of God's sovereignty and man's responsibility only arises if we treat both as equal to one another.

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502bb2  No.844145

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>>844130

When are you guys going to admit your religion is Rick and Morty tier misanthropy and that your idea of man being responsible is to turn him into a scapegoat for your God that you've necessarily imputed all sin and evil to? Can't you see that Calvinism amounts to a sin laundering scheme? The Christian is not responsible if he cannot freely choose between good and evil.

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9c199e  No.844161

Even though Calvinism is wrong in a few ways it is far holier than the collection of most modern Christians of all denoms solely because it explicitly opposes the most popular major heresies of today. If God sent us late Augustine to correct our ways most people would gang up to beat and crucify him. If modern Calvinism and Christian Identity had a child it would shine so bright and holy the world would shriek at the very mention of its name. True Traditional Catholicism is basically that but the modern church is now just a hollow shell that conforms to the will of the world.

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7350ff  No.844176

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502bb2  No.844180

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>>844176

Umm, anon. This is a real issue of debate within the body of the church. Maybe you are as bad as these guys, a lifestyle Christian motivated by David Duke or Jordan Peterson, than someone who takes theological realities seriously.

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404dba  No.844186

>>844161

>Christian Identity

CI is fringe lunacy invented so the most rabid nazis can quell their cognitive dissonance a bit.

Nothing more, nothing less

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