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75e4b0  No.843824

I get some of you are new converts who lack knowledge and a thorough reading of the Bible and lives of the Saints but why put your trust in random people? Interpret the Bible within the context of other parts of the Bible and if something doesn't fit check Strong's concordance. Stop relying on other people and our current culture to interpret the Bible. The old Crusaders were far more devout than the homo clergy will ever be and were willing to risk far more for what they believed.

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1fe384  No.843882

>>843824

Firstly, I want to say that I've never heard of Strong's Concordance before. I'll need to look into how to use it but nonetheless, if you're a Catholic and therefore, you accept Church teaching then you must accept what the Church fathers had to say on the Bible since this formed what the Church's teachings on the Bible became.

And so, in order to ensure you're inline with the Church, you do need to find people who can explain the Church's stance on the Bible to you. This means either going back to the Church father texts yourself or finding a YouTuber who's willing to re-explain it to you.

Even if the old crusaders were more devout, there's a chance that they were more devout about the wrong ideas if what you say is true and they felt comfortable just interpreting the Bible however they please.

Overall, before I go forth and try to understand the Bible, I do want to understand what the Church's stance is first so that I don't leave the confines of the Church and unintentionally embrace ideas incompatible with the Church.

I mean, how can a Catholic consider themself a member of the Church and then also be unwilling to submit to it, preferring to go their own way instead? It doesn't make sense to present yourself as one of the Church and then dismiss the Church fathers, those who helped form the Church into what it is now. Why not just go all the way and become a Protestant? Why LARP as a Catholic?

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75e4b0  No.843885

>>843882

More likely is the fact your youtubers are devout about the wrong ideas. Are they so sure about themselves they would die for their beliefs? Probably not. The Crusaders most certainly did though. And the fact you assume I reject the church fathers because I reject the modernists who rebel against them really says a lot about you and how easily they fooled you. There is nothing good anymore. Everyone wants you to sin and no one will reveal the truth they know to you except for me. They see it as currency to hide amongst themselves. They see everyone else as their enemy and lie to them. Obeying man instead of the God of reality is a one way ticket to damnation at the hands of evil.

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75e4b0  No.843887

>>843882

And it's quite ironic you call me, a lifelong Catholic, a larper while you're just a new convert, a spiritual infant. You should stop watching jewtube and spend more time reading Augustine and Aquinas, people from a far less evil and decayed age.

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48a14e  No.843895

There is no such thing as private language and thought is a communal effort.

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525449  No.843898

>>843824

Why do you have a catholic flag yet say protestant things?

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a4b4d7  No.843899

>>843824

>Interpret the Bible within the context of other parts of the Bible and if something doesn't fit check Strong's concordance

That is a wonderful approach but it isn't easy to work out the harder questions on your own. Using a commentary with a skeptical eye saves you from needing to reinvent the wheel, and the more you pay attention to schools or theologians the better picture you'll have of who is trustworthy and who is not.

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75e4b0  No.843902

>>843898

Do you insult Catholicism by claiming independent thinking is solely a Protestant trait?

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75e4b0  No.843903

>>843899

Oh indeed, and I find the church doctors and fathers agree with me much more than random internet people do. Most of my doubts about the Bible were solved by finding other parts of the Bible that convey key info you wouldn't normally remember by the time you get to the near opposite end of the Bible. The fathers citing scripture often certainly helps aid this process.

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525449  No.843924

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>>843902

When I want to learn math, I go read the math books written to learn the state of the art up to now. Only then can I start to build on it.

Self interpretation of the Bible is like throwing out all the world's math books and trying to develop it yourself by counting sticks.

1) The Catholic Church says you go to the Church to learn about the Bible; you are to read it and gain an indulgence for doing do, but to understand it you must follow Catholic teaching e.g. all true Catholic Bibles have footnotes and there are Catholic commentaries on the Gospels.

2) Claiming to be Catholic while trying to lure Catholics away is a deceitful way to lead Catholic to hell. If Protestants loved Christ, they wouldn't try to bring people to Him with deceit and lies.

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a4b4d7  No.843925

>>843924

Any time this same piusx pic is posted you just know it's a post telling you to implicitly believe the RCC

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525449  No.843940

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>>843925

>Any time this same Pope Saint Pius X pic is posted you just know it's a post telling you to implicitly believe the RCC

Well, you should believe the RCC but the issue I was addressing was Op's claim to be a "lifelong catholic" while telling people not to be Catholic and interpret the Bible for themselves.

Real Catholics don't do that. The Bible itself says if you try you'll misinterpret it. That's why there's One Catholic faith and 2000 protestants ones.

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a4b4d7  No.843941

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525449  No.843944

>>843941

If Protestants didn't believe they can interpret the bible for themselves, bible shop and choose a denomination to fit their particular belief, then there wouldn't be 2000 different denominations and differences within denominations, would there?

Ridicule and bad meme are a sad substitute for reason.

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a4b4d7  No.843946

>>843944

Non sequiturs are a bad substitute for an argument

To say one can interpret the Bible for himself is to say that the Bible has perspecuity and that nobody should use coercion when it comes to the Christian faith. Denominationalism is religious liberty plus conviction. People are going to make bad theological conclusions and teach other people bad theology, all I can do is argue against them. This does not imply personal, private interpretation outside of the church with elders and deacons.

Why are there so many Catholic denominations? There palmarians, sedes, "old Catholics", and even inside the Roman communion there are traditionalists and modernists, and all sorts of different societies like the Jesuits. Does this mean Catholicism is de facto incorrect? Does this imply relativism? Obviously not

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f617ce  No.843955

>>843924

There aren't a relevant number of mathematicians saying 1 = 2 but there are a relevant number of priests saying equally as absurd things. Cradle Catholics can see through it because we've been raised in the Catholic tradition for a long time. You new converts are (no offense) literally spiritual infants. You're the baby and the serpent infiltrators are taking candy from you. Look at how immature you are, attacking Protestants as if they're fans of a different football team, when they might know more about the church fathers like Augustine than you depending on how studied they are.

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48a14e  No.843956

>>843902

No such thing as independent thought, this is demonic. Thought is partaken yet never divided, like the eucharist.

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edf6c7  No.843960

>>843956

You think you criticize me but I actually agree with you. We only think what God permits us to think. Will you now suddenly turn against your own belief now that you know I share it?

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a4b4d7  No.843963

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>>843955

>when they might know more about the church fathers like Augustine

That's why we're Protestant :^)

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48a14e  No.843965

>>843960

You changing opinion about what I believe is not me changing opinions.

I have always disagreed with you that it is possible to have a private intepretation about anything such that it is possible to "not listen to others" as you claimed in the original post.

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edf6c7  No.843966

>>843965

I never changed opinion. I always believed God decides all that passes including our thoughts. If you also accept that you have to accept my decision to reject others is the will of God.

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acff81  No.843968

>>843963

You need to study yourself some more, fren. Augustine didn't say that. It's taken from the *translation* and chapter summary of Augustine's Enchiridon (translated by Phillip Schaff). These are Phillip Schaff's misleading words. And the meme was created by an even more ridiculous deceiver, who counted on you not actually reading Augustine. Augustine himself goes on to actually uphold James and even Paul's moral prescriptions:

>Now, if the wicked man were to be saved by fire on account of his faith only, and if this is the way the statement of the blessed Paul should be understood—’But he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire’—then faith without works would be sufficient to salvation. But then what the apostle James said would be false. And also false would be another statement of the same Paul himself: ‘Do not err,’ he says; ‘neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the unmanly, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the Kingdom of God.’ Now, if those who persist in such crimes as these are nevertheless saved by their faith in Christ, would they not then be in the Kingdom of God? But, since these fully plain and most pertinent apostolic testimonies cannot be false, that one obscure saying about those who build on ‘the foundation, which is Christ, not gold, silver, and precious stones, but wood, hay, and stubble’—for it is about these it is said that they will be saved as by fire, not perishing on account of the saving worth of their foundation—such a statement must be interpreted so that it does not contradict these fully plain testimonies.” - Enchiridon Chapter 33

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In other words, being saved by faith is an exception and a conditional situation. Much like the Thief next to Jesus on the cross. He didn't have time to live a holy life. You and I do. Rather than fight it, we should praise God for the opportunity.

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48a14e  No.843969

>>843966

>If you also accept that, you have to accept my decision to reject others is the will of God.

Only in the sense that God allows us to sin, not in the sense that all one thinks is righteous.

Thought is not an individual effort, you're thinking with demons like all pernicious thoughts.

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edf6c7  No.843970

>>843969

Remove the beam from your own eye. Your opposition to me is the work of a demon.

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525449  No.843973

>>843955

>there are a relevant number of priests saying equally as absurd things.

There are a lot of bad priests, especially among the novus ordo.

>I'm going to ad hom you with no basis at all, just my subjective opinion, for defending the Catholic faith from protestants.

Okay.

> they might know more about the church fathers like Augustine than you depending on how studied they are.

Maybe they're sprout bat wings too. You can cover a lot of things with "might".

Point being, Almighty God knows all. If you could figure it out yourself, Jesus Christ wouldn't have needed to come to Earth and Teach us.

Fact is there are thousands of protestant denominations as a result of people "interpreting" the bible on their own, even writing false bibles to say what they want.

Not all those different false bibles and all those different denominations can be correct; at most, only one and probably all are in error.

Anyone who denies Church teaching in the Bible is a heretic and not a real Catholic.

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acff81  No.843978

>>843973

>even writing false bibles to say what they want.

None of those are Protestants though. Those are cults. Every age of the church had to deal with this (Gnostics, etc).

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48a14e  No.843983

>>843970

I am trying to help you by saying that interpretation without a common culture is impossible and only illusory. When orthodoxy says "one cannot understand Scripture alone", we do not mean "shall not" but "is not able to" because thought is a community effort.

You asked "why listen to others?" and my answet is that "one is not able to not listen to others".

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22deda  No.844054

>>843885

>More likely is the fact your youtubers are devout about the wrong ideas

How do you know this? Are they re-explaining Church teaching, or not?

>Are they so sure about themselves they would die for their beliefs? Probably not.

You don't know this.

>The Crusaders most certainly did though

We can see the strength of their faith, yes. But we still haven't addressed the issue of whether or not their ideas were correct. You've definitely painted an image that the Crusaders, willing to die for their beliefs, chose to believe whatever they wish was true about the Bible in which case, yes, without relying on guidance from the Church Fathers and Doctors, there's a chance they embraced ideas that they didn't realise were incompatible with the Church.

>And the fact you assume I reject the church fathers because I reject the modernists who rebel against them really says a lot about you and how easily they fooled you.

Oh, I misunderstood you.

You bashed the notion of relying on other people which, to me, meant rejecting Catholic YouTubers and any re-explanations they offer of Church teaching and when I think of "Catholic YouTubers", I think of Dr. Taylor Marshall as he's the only major one I'm aware of and he's a Traditionalist. I occasionally hear other Catholics talk about the "nuCats" but I never see them. I guess it's because I don't really seek out Catholic YouTubers, what I seek out is simply information about a topic and Dr. Marshall is typically informative. It's him and Anthony Stine from the Return To Tradition Channel. To get exposed to "nuCats", I think I'd need to seek out Catholic YouTubers but getting a window into someone's daily life just isn't me.

Looking back on your post though, you did acknowledge that the people who turn to such people are seeking an understanding of the Bible and of the Saints and you don't attack them for these desires so, despite how "stop relying on other people" sounds, it seems you really did, from the very beginning, value the Church Fathers and Doctors. It's just that you seem to hold this idea that all Catholic YouTubers are corrupt.

Tell me, is there truly no one good amongst them?

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0eae69  No.844306

>>843824

I just remembered watching a Matt Fradd video where he had on his show someone that was educated in Thomistic Theology explain how Christ can be omnipresent and yet, somehow, more present in us and still even more present in the Eucharist and he just spoke a slew of words that were incomprehensible to me. What that made me realise is that I'll probably never really understand this stuff if I don't make a formal study of it because it seems, when expressed as simply as possible without missing any essential components, it's still incomprehensible if you're unlearned. It's a kind of "those who get it, get it and those who don't, don't" situation where you yourself just have to be the one to cross that line.

Matt Fradd still has guests that give me the opportunity to learn something new (although there was one who believed it was acceptable for Catholics to use sex toys and I only just found out that that's actually not acceptable and so I'll have to be a bit more careful about them although admittedly, with formal, independent study, I wouldn't have incorrect beliefs for long) so I think I'll continue following him as he's a way for me to stay aware of issues affecting Catholics in our modern situation and how to address them. Outside of that though, yeah, I think you are right in that I will have to go down the road of independent research rather than listen to Catholics on YouTube. Still though, at least as supplemental to my growth as a Catholic, I find them useful.

Just the other day, I found out the Church also has a Purple Scapular. This one will protect the wearer and his family during the 3 Days of Darkness as well as from any sudden accidents. I believe it had other benefits too but I don't remember them as my primary concern was with its protection of the wearer during the 3 Days of Darkness. I truly believe those 3 Days are coming and I wish to ensure that I'm prepared for them.

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