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No, how can we reaffirm your faith? That is between you and God. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

Romans 6

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Faith will not be reassured by anyone but yourself. You are already dead in this world of sin. You can't kill what is dead, for we live in Christ, somewhere else.

faith is simply an old word for trust, and in the original sense it connoted a 'trust based in evidence', rather than some mysterious mystical subjective experience

so if someone wanted to affirm a proper righteous trust in the promises of God, of the kind that pleases God - since without such trust it is impossible to please Him* - i suppose i would ask; what exactly is it that you have previously put your trust in ?

and from there, i would expect a believer who has actually made peace with the Creator they were formerly at enmity with, to give a much broader answer than 'Jesus'

so yeah, how about you explain the good news of Christ ITT, preaching the gospel to us and more importantly for the purposes of this thread, yourself ?

that way you can see whether you have a grounded, evidence based reason for such faith as you purport to have, or whether you have been taken up with an emotional based sense of 'feeling' like you are probably a christian

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*Heb 11:6

>>843588

>Faith will not be reassured by anyone but yourself.

no m8, the only One who can assure someone of faith is God Himself

y'know, since for one thing the heart is deceitful above all things, but when God in the person of the Holy Spirit gives one a new heart that then allows a believer to affirm that Jesus is LORD and act accordingly - bearing fruit of repentance - then one has the testimony of the Spirit in their life, witnessing to the fact that they are in Christ

>>843590

Thanks for the correction, you are absolutely right. Still have this remnants in my thought process. Really thanks for interceding.

>but when God in the person of the Holy Spirit gives one a new heart that then allows a believer to affirm that Jesus is LORD and act accordingly - bearing fruit of repentance - then one has the testimony of the Spirit in their life, witnessing to the fact that they are in Christ

Romans 4

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

I'm always having this discussion about the leap of faith. Like the ressurection of Jesus, you'll never be sure if you are purely factual. You'll have to just believe and have faith. And that is the only thing that is asked of you, not works. Just the leap of faith and trust. Heavens is God great and good.

>>843592

>Thanks for the correction

first off, this surprised me as a response since i expected a more belligerent tone akin to that of my last visit here; that you would be civil, let alone open to biblical teaching in the midst of disagreement, speaks volumes to your character and you have my regard

if i may, i don't particularly want to pull you up on anything else ITT, but may i suggest that you re-examine the idea of 'the leap of faith' and whether that corresponds with the biblical picture of God bequeathing faith as a gift, rather than someone working it up from within themselves to do

that being said, if you find that model of man 'leaping' toward God still works for you, your kind response to me suggests you are in right relationship with Him, so i'm not overly concerned as to your salvation, but only your precision in defining it

>>843595

>first off, this surprised me as a response

Thank God, right?

>if i may, i don't particularly want to pull you up on anything else ITT,

Please do, whereever you may find fault. I don't want to spread false teachings

>but only your precision in defining it

I was hyper-rational before, so there were a lot of "rational" questions which wouldn't be answered, ever. It's not about facts, it's about trust. That leap is just being able to trust without having "proof" to show for.

I then did the leap - just trust Him. Just this tiny jump from "I'm not sure" to "I don't care if I'm sure or not, because I already know my ways are not good. I can only trust His ways"

Thank you again brother,

Spread the love to evil,

In the ways of Jesus.

The main conclusion here: it's not our works, it's our faith!

>>843639

Good to hear and God bless, fren. Perhaps it might also help you, as it helped me, considering that these so-called proofs are more like phantasms created by us through improper formulations of questons than something genuinely missing from reality.

>>843642

The error or our arrogance and our assumptions - phantasms. Proud intellectuals like luciferians. Those ways lead to hell.

God bless.

>>843639

man, you're one of my new favourite people now- respect

> Just this tiny jump from "I'm not sure" to "I don't care if I'm sure or not

OIC, yeah, that would cause one to frame it as a jump: still not sure i would use that terminology of 'leaping' but i get where you're coming from… interesting, gonna mull that over a little

>>843675

>man, you're one of my new favourite people now- respect

Thanks man. Worship not man, but God that conducted me to post a response!

> : still not sure i would use that terminology of 'leaping'

I see where you are coming from. Then again, analogies aren't perfect, they can't possibly encapsulate all of the knowledge. But much in the same way (in my interpretation) that Paul in Romans 7 teaches:

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I think it is very beautiful. Any "fool", God forbid, can understand this analogy. It ain't perfect, but it encapsulates a good point.

People get confused by the fundamentals of 'I am that I am' I think. Meaning, you should do what you know it's good aka you should be in line with our own values aka you should have no cognitive dissonance… The list goes on and on.

I just happen to like this one, because of my story/narrative - that's what it felt like to me.

Isn't it beautiful that the lesson of sin, and law, and righteousness could be said in so few words? Praise the Lord. Go with Christ. Amen

>>843590

>Muh irresistible grace