Reason and Faith: A Discussion

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Reason and Faith: A Discussion † 08/04/20 (Tue) 02:41:31 e5fd1e No.842565

Thoughts on the relationship between faith and reason?

I know Catholics have this hard on about Aristotle and Aquino but you cannot name a single person who was brought to the faith because of "the validity of the ontological argument" or whatever. Faith is almost always based on a a revelatory experience of Christ. On this account I agree with Evangelicals that a "born-again" (maybe not those exact words) experience is a a central part of being a Christian.

We can also talk about reason as a faculty and the way it leads one astray from not only faith ironically all rational thought in the first place. This became very apparent at the end of the 18th century among certain German thinkers like Hamann and Jacobi whose readings of Spinoza and Hume demonstrated the absolute poverty of reason and science when a meta-criticism of the enlightenment's own principles was undertaken. Indeed, reason couldn't prove the existence of an universal and objective morality or how natural science could even be possible, let alone the existence of God or the immortality of the soul.

The choice was clear: either nihilism or fideism. Hamann, Jacobi, and later Kierkegaard chose Fideism.

I also choose Fideism because ultimately Reason is a whore, and you have to make a about a million assumptions about science for it be metaphysically significant rather than just instrumental.

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† SAGE! 08/04/20 (Tue) 03:36:55 ba6d05 No.842568

>I know Catholics have this hard on about

Stopped reading when Op decided to be a sexual degenerate.

This isn't open to honest discussion at all, nor does it suggest any sort of ability to reason.

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† 08/04/20 (Tue) 03:43:25 e5fd1e No.842569

>>842568

calm down its a figure of speech

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† 08/04/20 (Tue) 04:45:56 15838c No.842571

It's a false dichotomy. The Christian faith is reasonable. William lane Craig has made it extremely easy to defend this position.

It's a postmodern false assumption that reason means naturalism. Talk about reason being a white is unhelpful because it means you're respecting your opponents' narrative, like if conservatives called themselves fascist because antifa labeled them so.

It's also a false Luther quote

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2015/04/luther-reason-is-devils-greatest-whore.html

>"born-again" (maybe not those exact words)

John 3:7 KJV — Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

+1 for the camp meeting painting

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† 08/04/20 (Tue) 06:48:18 e5fd1e No.842578

>>842571

>The Christian faith is reasonable

Ive got nothing but love for WLC but no one has ever become a Christian because of the Kalam Cosmological argument or the ontological argument or any philosophical argument.

1. because the God of philosophy (that is the first mover) is not Jesus Christ.

2. causality isn't metaphysically real, at least it can't be proven to be anything more than habit

>John 3:7 KJV — Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

My point stands. There's no need for ontological and cosmological arguments, and even if they were necessary they're only our feeble attempt to understand the nature of God using our own insufficient faculties that constantly lead us to pitfalls

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† 08/04/20 (Tue) 07:14:47 a2653a No.842579

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>>842565

>Reason is a whore

Are you threatening me, master jewdi?

I AM the Logos.

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† 08/05/20 (Wed) 19:48:52 a9825c No.842650

you can have reason and faith to support your belief in god dumb dumb

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† 08/06/20 (Thu) 02:24:18 110340 No.842680

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Reason is blindness of man. Satan and man do reason using their mind.

Only those born again, in spirit, those who enter God's spiritual Temple, can understand what Jesus says. Jesus spoke only in parables.

Man follow blind man, their blind reasoning. Nobody can understand God, unless they enter God's spiritual Temple, and hear what Jesus says.

Christians make the biggest error, following the blind Paul. You have one teacher the Christ! Hear Him alone!

Christianity with all of it's denominations is the broad way, leading to the pit.

Read Chapter 2, it will clear things up:

https://gofile.io/d/nmqbp2

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† 08/06/20 (Thu) 02:59:48 2ca963 No.842682

>>842571

If one has a reason to have faith, then faith is a means to an end. Very disgusting.

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