81398b No.842181
The other day I was debating with a Muslim and he even said that Paul contradicted Jesus. I never really thought much about it, so I took Holy Scripture and apparently there are contradictions (in my view, but this could be wrong, as I'm a very dumb guy). The biggest problem is not the contradictions themselves, but that if what Paul says is false, then Jesus Christ is not God, as apparently it's only in Paul's books that Jesus begins to be treated as God and not just any generic prophet. This argument may be very easy to refute, but it has been troubling me for days and I couldn't find much information about it on the internet. Could any of my fellow christian brothers explain it to me better?
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5dad50 No.842182
>>842181
John calls Jesus God.
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02dc8c No.842187
There are no contradictions. Did he point one out that seemed to be a contradiction, or did he just assert that they are in there?
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81398b No.842190
>>842187
He used a chart like this, it's pretty stupid, but really made me want to search more about the topic.
btw, sorry for the low resolution image
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81398b No.842191
>>842182
Could you quote the passage on the Scripture with this information?
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02dc8c No.842192
>>842190
The more you research it the more you'll realise how superficial these apparent contradictions are. With these in particular you can just read the chapter of each
>>842191
John 1
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02dc8c No.842193
Recommended listening
5 Minutes in Church History with Stephen Nichols: Paul's Religion https://www.5minutesinchurchhistory.com/pauls-religion/
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345ba1 No.842194
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>>842181
Tangentially related:
Islam affirms both the authority and preservation of the Bible "No one can change Allah's words".
We have access to copies of the Bible at the time of Mohammed, they are the same as the copies we have now.
Therefore, if the Bible is true than Islam is false because the Bible contradicts Islam. If the Bible is false then Islam is still false because Islam affirms the authority and preservation of the Bible.
The attached video might help answer your question. Watch it in 2x speed if it's too long for you.
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5dad50 No.842199
>>842194
>We have access to copies of the Bible at the time of Mohammed, they are the same as the copies we have now.
There's plenty that is the same but the oldest one we have is missing the whore tolerance part from John. Also the wording for some parts of the sermon on the mount is different. So the fact the Bible didn't get perfectly passed on is proof Islam is wrong.
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912097 No.842200
Mark 1:3 says St John, the Baptist or Forerunner, prepares the way for the Lord. It says Christ is Lord.
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9cf2a5 No.842202
>>842181
The people who wrote this are either disingenuous or liars.
1. Jesus said, "No one comes to the Father except through me. That's a strike at what he claims Jesus first said.
2a. Jesus was talking about being humble.
b. Paul was talking about obeying your boss. Even then, the slaves of back then were not like during the Civil War. I would point to how in the Bible some are given the choice to continue on in their servitude.
3. I looked up Luke 8:2-3. They're lying about it. But Paul was saying men should be the head of the churches. It's a logical position, women are more emotional than men. It's part of our designs, but also part of why men are the heads of the family.
4. Jesus fulfilled the law. We don't have to worry about it, BUT we are to follow it anyways.
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81398b No.842215
>>842192
>>842193
>>842200
>>842202
Thanks to you all guys, specially >>842194. You all helped me with to understand better this topic, now I have no doubt that the muslim guy was lying to me with logical fallacies. Really thanks, I was thinking for week about this topic. May God Allmighty bless you all.
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006f3d No.842224
>>842215
God bless you, anon.
Daily reminder that Muslims are allowed to lie for the sake of manipulating infidels
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7cce24 No.842311
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Lol muslims are incapable of making good arguments they aren't good arguments for their religion or any logical reasoning for it or for any position they are to cherry picking bible verses, but remember anon when arguing with muslims you are arguing with a pidgeon it doesn't matter how much authentic information you have on your side or the facts on your side they'll flip the board and take a dump on it and declare to be the victor or repeating his points as if you didn't disprove them, they are irritating when it comes to discussion to nigh impossible to reason with them, you can reason with atheists, but muslims are next to impossible.
See vid related because it does apply to muslims in some ways since they are also faced with indoctrination.
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