954c17 No.842120[Last 50 Posts]
I thought I'd make this fun questionnaire to see what most people here believe on certain topics. You can fill in your answers in whatever way you want as long as it's clear what your answer is.
I hope this will also encourage some healthy debate and maybe expose some false doctrines and beliefs that are being spread around.
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954c17 No.842122
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a75acb No.842124
This was clearly drafted from the perspective of an American Protestant. Some explanations for my answers:
1. baptisms don’t mean full immersion of one’s body. Therefore, I can’t agree with this.
2. Secular media and holidays should be avoided, but as long as we mind the key-phrase “should be avoided.”
3. Marijuana is not like wine at all. It’s meant to alter your state of mind from the first smoke. There is no such thing as not getting high unless you’ve built a massive tolerance, but then why even smoke?
4. Modern Jews are not the Jews of Jesus’ day nor are they ancient Israelites. But I’m not prepared to say they are the synagogue of satan.
5. We should honor the sabbath because its a commandment. But we shouldn’t go autistic like ortho Jews get with it.
6. Mormons and Catholics are not even close to similar. I don’t know why you grouped them together other than to be provocative. Mormons believe nothing that catholics believe.
7. Wearing a cross is not idolatry anymore than revering the Bible is.
8. Homosexuality is unequivocally a sin according to scripture. If someone has an inclination to homosexual acts, they should do what every heterosexual with lust issues has to do and pray for discipline and to be delivered from evil.
9. There is no loophole for a sex act.
10. Once saved, always saved. There are plenty who claim Christ but never knew Him.
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ccac70 No.842125
Some of these don't fit neatly and would require some explanation
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13fa5e No.842126
the stars are put there due to misunderstandings of the Orthodox teachings
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a75acb No.842127
>>842126
>>842125
How can both of you say
>placing your faith in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice is all you need for salvation
but then also say
>repentance and a personal relationship with Jesus is necessary for salvation
If the first statement is true, the second statement has to be false.
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ccac70 No.842128
>>842127
Because the second line is what "faith" means
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954c17 No.842130
>>842122
Gonna explain my answers here
1 & 2. If you only see salvation as a ticket out of hell, it's unlikely your even saved to begin with
3. I don't believe that as merciful, loving, and forgiving as God is would send any of his creation to eternal punishment in hell or destruction. How am I going to enjoy heaven knowing I'll never see 95% of the people I've known ever again? Comparing scriptures that say "forever and ever" with the original greek text shows it's not actually eternal.
4. Globe earth is a deception from Satan to make people doubt God's existence, this is one of the reasons I avoided Christianity as long as I did until I woke up to the truth.
5 & 6. You can't totally immerse an infant into water to baptize, even so baptism is a personal decision. A baby cannot decide it wants to be baptized or that s/he accepts Jesus Christ as his/her lord and savior.
7. It has just as many flaws as other translations, "thou shalt not kill" rather than murder for example.
8. I probably should have changed the word "should" to "must" but either way I think it's fine. My tastes in media have changed, as have my sense of humor. I still like secular media and the idea of Christmas and stuff but I celebrate them with the right mindset. If you still like all the old media you did before without change then you may not actually be saved.
9. Weed is weed, wine is wine, sober is sober. I believe God created Marijuana for medical use and to use the hemp as a raw material. Recreational use to get high is not okay.
10. Revelation 2:9 & Acts 7:43 make it pretty clear they are the Synagogue of Satan.
11. Not like the Jews did, but we should still try to keep it Holy. With how many people work on Sundays I don't think this is a "requirement" anymore unless you are self employed or something.
12. I lumped these two together because they're spinoffs of Christianity, they're their own thing despite believing in Jesus. Personally I don't view Catholicism and Christianity as the same thing.
13. No, wearing a crucifix necklace with Jesus on it is though. He's no longer on the cross.
14. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 - Dead Christians are in a state of sleep waiting for Jesus's return.
15. I believe in the Holy Trinity
16. People are not born gay
17 & 18. She is no longer a virgin in my eyes, and yeah there's no loophole for sex bro you gotta wait.
19. I don't think we'll be here for the tribulation
20. If you are actually saved no
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a75acb No.842131
>>842128
Faith means repenting and calling Jesus your homeboy? I’m certain that’s not the case.
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ccac70 No.842132
>>842131
Faith in the relevant biblical context means believing on Jesus as Lord, which necessarily entails repentance and is personal (not corporate)
Faith here does not mean merely mental agreement that the man Jesus walked or that he's God. That's atheological.
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a75acb No.842133
>>842130
>4. Globe earth is a deception from Satan to make people doubt God's existence
I don’t see how this is the case at all. the earth being round has been known for a very long time and people still believed in God.
>5 & 6. You can't totally immerse an infant into water to baptize
Baptizo, the ancient Greek word, does not exclusively mean total immersion. And where is it said that baptism is a personal decision? Also, Jesus said to suffer the children to come to Him.
>12. I lumped these two together because they're spinoffs of Christianity
Catholicism is older than any Protestant denomination and Mormonism. Whatever line you walk (even if it’s “non-denominational”) is a spin-off of Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Mormons are straight up not Christian. They don’t believe in the Trinity, they believe in a new revelation, they see Christ and Satan and even God the Father as demi-Gods more than anything, etc.
>13. No, wearing a crucifix necklace with Jesus on it is though. He's no longer on the cross
The point of wearing that kind of cross (any cross, really) is to remember his sacrifice for the sins of the world. It’s a vivid reminder of how much God loved us.
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a75acb No.842134
>>842132
>Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see. 2This is why the ancients were commended. 3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
He doesn’t mention repentance or having a “personal relationship with Jesus.” I’m not saying you don't need these things, I’m saying that you can’t say both
>placing your faith in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice is all you need for salvation
and
>repentance and a personal relationship with Jesus is necessary for salvation
Either the first statement is true or its not.
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ccac70 No.842135
>>842134
They're just not mutually exclusive
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954c17 No.842136
>>842133
>I don’t see how this is the case at all. the earth being round has been known for a very long time and people still believed in God.
Genisis 1 describes the hebrew model of the earth not a sphere floating in space forming over millions of years. Where do you think all that water during the flood of Noah's day came from? Genesis 7:11 the flood gates mentioned here are in the firmament holding back the waters above it. It's impossible to flood an entire planet with a finite amount of water.
>Baptizo, the ancient Greek word, does not exclusively mean total immersion. And where is it said that baptism is a personal decision? Also, Jesus said to suffer the children to come to Him.
Acts 2:38 a baby cannot repent and then become baptized, it's a personal decision. It's symbolic, just as Jesus died so do you entering the water. Coming back out of the water symbolizes your resurrection so to speak.
>Catholicism is older than any Protestant denomination and Mormonism. Whatever line you walk (even if it’s “non-denominational”) is a spin-off of Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
I don't believe the history we're told by the people who currently rule and dominate the world. Maybe it is older but that doesn't mean it's correct. It's idolatry, works not just faith, and rarely if ever promotes the gospel. The same people who run Mormonism also run Catholicism, and Jehovah's Witnesses. That's why you see all the child molestation in these, that's why they don't preach the gospel. They were created by the satanist who run the world.
>The point of wearing that kind of cross (any cross, really) is to remember his sacrifice for the sins of the world. It’s a vivid reminder of how much God loved us.
But He's no longer on the cross. I've seen many testimonials of Jesus telling people this and that the one on the cross promoted by the Catholic church is the anti-Christ. Wearing a simple latin cross more or less shows that you believe He rose from the dead and is no longer on the cross.
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954c17 No.842137
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380611 No.842143
The only quiz that mattered was the questions Father asked before my first communion.
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a75acb No.842146
>>842136
I know what Genesis says. But you can see it with your own eyes and even test it to be true yourself that the earth is round and that space is real. The only way you can have issues with believing in God because of this is if you take the writings of Moses on the beginning of the world as fact. Which I find funny of protestants because then you’ll turn around and say that to be baptized does not mean to be literally born again or that the body and blood of Christ is not literally his body and blood, even though Jesus says so.
>Acts 2:38
He does not exclude children from baptism and doesn’t say repentance is a necessary act prior to baptism. Further, Jesus in John 3:5 says that you can’t enter heaven unless you are born again. Baptism isn’t just a cute symbolic gesture, it has serious consequences that go with it.
>I don't believe the history we're told by the people who currently rule and dominate the world. Maybe it is older but that doesn't mean it's correct.
Even Protestant scholars agree that Catholicism and Orthodoxy have been around for a long time. Are you going to tell me that Christians have had it wrong for 1500 years before Protestants came along and got it right? It’s as ridiculous as the Mormons and JWs positions on church history. Please actually do some scholarly research on the history of the church and the faith. You sound silly saying these things, but accepting the Bible as canon, believing in the Trinity, etc, since catholic and orthodox thinkers put these things together that you take for granted.
>But He's no longer on the cross
Did I not just say it is a reminder of His sacrifice?
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a75acb No.842148
>>842143
>thinks that saying a magic incantation means you are saved
>thinks that a pastor slamming through Roman’s road and calling it a night is a proper catechism
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380611 No.842150
>>842148
How sad for you that you cannot even be honest.
I shall pray for your soul.
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eaf482 No.842151
>>842120
>Mormons and Catholics are not actually Christians and are going to hell.
>Water is wet and Catholics are not actually Christians and are going to hell.
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a75acb No.842152
>>842150
I don’t want a dishonest heretic praying for me. Troll somewhere else.
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380611 No.842153
>>842152
And what's my heresy and were's the fellowship that you came here for?
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12549b No.842154
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38fd0a No.842156
I really don't know about that question about immediately going to heaven, i haven't read that bible very much, i just have head canon about this.
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38fd0a No.842157
>>842154
Arg, i totally didn't pay enough attention to that question about Mormons and catholics being Christian, of course Mormons aren't and Catholics are Christian.
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954c17 No.842162
>>842157
I don't know, there's just something about Catholicism that doesn't sit well with me. I just can't quite put my finger on it.
I've got nothing against Catholics but they should know about the people who run their religion.
https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/11/08/the-vatican-places-giant-statue-of-molech-at-colosseum-entrance/
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954c17 No.842165
>>842156
Well think about it this way, what do you think will happen after you die, what do you expect to see? Will you go to heaven and meet Jesus or not?
According to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 once Jesus returns those who are saved and have died will go up to meet Him first, then those who are alive will go next. We'll meet Jesus then and there not immediately after we die like the mainstream narrative says we will.
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38fd0a No.842167
>>842162
I don't trust the pope either, Catholics are still christian though.
>>842165
I just have to go by what i've seen in movie and television, you "go" to heaven to get judged and there you either go to heaven or hell.
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12549b No.842175
>>842162
>That article
To claim that the Vatican owns the Colisseum is just as fake news as the CNN
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ad8d67 No.842203
>>842120
There are some that are close, I think.
I don't know that the Bible supports the "Hebrew model of the earth."
Total immersion isn't necessary. Is God going to be angry that a guy in the middle of the desert could only be baptized by pouring a cup of water over his head? No, in fact, I think He's going to celebrate with all the angels that the man made that confession for all to see.
I mean, I'm a zionist, but the modern day Jews are rejecting Jesus.
I think there are Mormons who don't know what they believe and they're good. I think there's a special grace for some Catholics, but the tenants of the religion are wrong.
Some Christians will go straight to Heaven, but Revelation talks about those martyrs asking Jesus about being avenged and He tells them to rest.
People aren't born gay, it's a development that takes place through a series of unfortunate circumstances.
You cannot lose salvation, but if a person walked away, it's because they were never one of us. The Bible also talks about those who having tasted the fruit turn away and God was enticing them, but I don't know that those people ever truly accepted Him.
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6e88b2 No.842206
>>842203
What if instead of drinking the blood of Jesus I just rinsed my hands with it. Is that a valid form of the Lord's supper?
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be8d51 No.842212
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>>842137
Lol what a coincidence, I happen to be watching some anti-flat earth stuff right now specifically vid related
The shape of the earth has nothing to do with Christianity. Obviously. Which is why most Christians believe the earth is round and have no difficulty being Christians in light of that fact, and why no atheist has ever been an atheist on the basis that the earth is round. Well I'm not so sure about that last part, Christians who have been lied to about flat earth somehow being part of Christianity might apostatize when they realize the earth is round, so if anything flat earthism might be a satanic conspiracy.
>>842120
1. True
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3. True
4. False
5. False
6. True
7. False
8. That's two questions
9. False
10. True
11. True
12. True
13. False
14. True
15. True
16. False
17. False
18. False
19. False
20. True
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a75acb No.842217
>>842206
Eating his body and drinking his blood is very direct and unambiguous. Being baptized is ambiguous. We know it is done with water, but we are not explicitly told how to do the act of baptizing aside from baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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6e88b2 No.842218
>>842217
They are equally unambiguous. Baptism is immersion. Our English word is a transliteration, but a direct translation would be immerse.
The only sense in which baptism does not mean immersion is when it's metaphorically related to immersion.
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a75acb No.842219
>>842218
Baptizo doesn’t exclusively mean to immerse your whole body in water. It is used in other instances, such as Luke 11:38, when baptizo is used in the Greek text to refer to Jesus not performing the ceremonial washing prior to dining with a pharisee.
> 37As Jesus was speaking, a Pharisee invited Him to dine with him; so He went in and reclined at the table. 38But the Pharisee was surprised to see that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.
If we take your definition here, this would mean that the expectation was for Jesus to fully-immerse himself in some body of water at this house, which we know is not the case.
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a75acb No.842220
>>842218
>>842219
Additionally, have you considered that translators do not refer to it as “immersion,” but “baptism,” because they also knew that immersion is not the only meaning of baptizo? Just like saying “wash” can mean different things depending on the context.
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6e88b2 No.842221
>>842219
Yes that was the pharisaic expectation. He was expected to have submerged himself in water as a cleanliness ritual.
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/luke/11-38.htm
>>842220
I've already addressed the reason, it's because in English we've adopted a transliteration from the Latin because it's a theological term
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6e88b2 No.842222
>>842221
Let me rephrase that
Not necessarily sumberged, but a full body wash with water. In this case it would be a metaphorical use of the term that literally means immersion, as in the washing is so thorough that it is as if one was sumberged in a body of water.
Outside temple the Pharisees would walk down steps into a tub and be literally submerged for ritual cleanliness.
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a75acb No.842225
>>842222
Most of the bible hub commentary says that the washing involved washing of hand and arms with a bowl and not a full body bath. The one or two comments about it being an immersion seem to be despite other commentary as if to intentionally misread it to take away the argument about full-immersion baptism.
And if you were to still hold that it’s technically an immersion, then you’d have to define how much immersion must happen before a baptism is considered valid.
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6e88b2 No.842230
>>842225
I'm willing to say we can not rule out the idea that ebaptisthe in this verse might mean hand washing and you should feel the same about immersion, or full body washing. In any case this is not the sacrament of Christian baptism.
>And if you were to still hold that it’s technically an immersion, then you’d have to define how much immersion must happen before a baptism is considered valid.
I would not because this isn't Christian baptism, but just as a hypothetical question anyway the proper mode of baptism by immersion would obviously be full immersion as the word implies.
Id also like to clarify that I am arguing what we should view as proper, not valid. If someones nose stayed above the water their baptism isn't invalid. Kids who were in an iron lung during the polio epidemic had exceptional circumstances and so weren't disobedient if they didn't have full body baptism.
You are engaging in special pleading to argue that the mode of baptism can be non immersive. There is not biblical precedent to allow it and the non literal meaning in biblical Greek is rare or minority at best.
Even if early church documents like the Didache instruct non immersion it does not matter because of the doctrine of the sufficiency of scripture extrapolated from 2 Tim 3.
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be8d51 No.842243
>>842230
You aren't making an argument, you're just asserting "my interpretation is correct, don't question it".
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ccac70 No.842245
>>842243
Good thing I'm not talking to you then isn't it
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be8d51 No.842251
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10e0b8 No.842268
So…does the bible say that we immediately go to heaven when we die? Do we get judged in heaven and then either go to hell or heaven? and if you die as a christian don't you go to heaven since you believed in Jesus Christ?
Is oral sex considred fornication?
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f03609 No.842271
>>842127
We struggle so we may believe. Remember "Lord I believe, help my unbelief".
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380611 No.842286
>>842268
>Is oral sex considred fornication?
Oral sex is the sin of sodomy.
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380611 No.842287
>>842268
>So…does the bible say that we immediately go to heaven when we die? Do we get judged in heaven and then either go to hell or heaven? and if you die as a christian don't you go to heaven since you believed in Jesus Christ?
The whole concept of time after you die is kinda….
Bible says that there is a judgement day, you'll be resurrected and judged.
But because God is Perfect and truly just, even if your sins are forgiven, there has to be punishment. Ergo, Purgatory and temporal punishment. There are also different levels of hell, e.g. Limbo, Purgatory and the fires of hell.
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517d7e No.842294
-The model in the bible is the true one but its exactly the way we see it in space.
-Hell is nothing but the second eternal death, not eternal suffering but the true end where you will never come back to life
-We should accept that there are people who are homosexuel but we shouldnt accept there actions, if they life like it and have sex with the same sex god will punish them because its a sin, but feeling attrected to the same sex is a curse and we shouldnt hate people for it but help them to go through life without giving in
-In my opinion as soon as two bodys become one its counted as sex, and because we dont say kissing is becoming one so isnt licking an arm or finger so it isnt oral sex but anal practically the same as vaginal your body parts are deep in her insides and you become one in the flesh
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88a2d1 No.842298
>>842287
Does that mean that someone would eternally punished in hell or would they be punished in hell and then go to heaven?
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52a497 No.842300
>>842287
This world is more than enough fot a purgatory.
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380611 No.842347
>>842298
Forgiveness of sins does not mean you escape punishment. So, you go to a level of hell called "purgatory" for temporal punishment - punishment for a time. After this, you go to heaven.
>>842300
Sometimes. But God is the perfect judge and there is always justice.
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5b3c08 No.842363
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380611 No.842369
>>842124
>This was clearly drafted from the perspective of an American Protestant
This is a thread to troll the Catholics. I hope you enjoyed it, because it's going to get much, much worse.
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