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8b6921  No.841865

If the Hebrews adopted (or stole) a good chunk of their religion and mythos from the ancient Sumerians, then what problems does this pose for Christianity, since Christianity is derived from the Hebrew religion?

-The flood (deluge) story was taken from the Sumerians.

-Moses' birth story is basically ripped off from Sargon's birth story.

-The story of creation, God speaking the universe into existence, is taken from Sumeria. (see picture I posted)

And there are numerous other aspects that were borrowed from Sumerian and Egyptian religion.

The alleged father of the Hebrews, Abraham, supposedly came from Ur (which resides in the lands of Sumeria). This might explain why many Hebrew legends are actually re-tellings of Sumerian legends.

All of this leads back to Sumeria.

God's real name is 'Anu':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu

Thoughts?

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9bca60  No.841866

>>841865

My thought is that maybe there is something to this whole God thing if multiple religions confirmed similar events and that you should pull your head out of your rear-end. No one is bothered by anything you’re posted because it’s old and stale.

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711263  No.841867

>>841865

Why does Sumer being right about something make Christianity wrong?

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8b6921  No.841871

>>841867

>Why does Sumer being right about something make Christianity wrong?

I'm not saying christianity is wrong, but most christians view their religion as monotheistic, whereas the Sumerian religion was polytheistic with one prime creator God, and then multiple lower Gods.

I guess if one views angels in Christian tradition as "lower Gods", then i suppose one could reconcile the differences between the two.

Have you guys read the "Sumerian Swindle" e-book? It talks about the first money lenders & bankers in ancient Sumeria. The Semite & Sumerian money lenders worshipped the moon God 'Sin'. In Christian tradition, everyone is born in 'Sin.'

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36a9cc  No.841872

>>841865

Did the Sumerians go schizo with their own polytheistic idolatry which lead to Abraham abandoning idols and discovering the real God himself? Why did the sumerian kings refer to themselves as shepherds and why did the assumed top god Anu(which might've been like Nebuchadnezzar seeing the Angel of the Lord in Daniel 3:25) of the Sumerian pantheon offered the bread of life to Adapa?

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27c59a  No.841873

>>841871

All Christians view the angels as lowercase g gods.

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27c59a  No.841874

>>841872

Define schizo.

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36a9cc  No.841879

>>841874

They thought that the voice of God were different gods, and they also idolized lust as a goddess, and there might've also been some fallen angels around messing with them by leading them into polytheism.

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f7f61d  No.841914

>>841865

You answered you own question. They didn't "steal" anything. Abraham WAS a Sumerian. His father was an idolater of Ur himself. The book of Jubilees even says his father was a priest specifically, and Abraham first came into conflict with his homeland by destroying his dad's idols. Muslims also borrow this story and use it in the Quran. Either way, what Abraham really was was a monotheistic reformer. Not a "thief". He was trying to set things right. And Sumerians are the real "thieves", if anything. They corrupted older teachings. Do you see anything in Gobekli Tepe that resembles Sumerian religion? No, you don't. It's completely different and devoid of Sumer's false gods. Yet it's the same region - only much older. All Abraham did was try to bring things back on course. But he wasn't welcomed. So he created a breakway civilization and even found others down south who agreed with him (Melchizedek).

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0a25b6  No.841925

File: 6d1556854ecd0f9⋯.webm (14.26 MB, 480x360, 4:3, The_Epic_of_Gilgamesh_Flo….webm)

>>841865

>-The flood (deluge) story was taken from the Sumerians.

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f7f61d  No.841927

>>841925

The Flood story is everywhere on earth, in one form or another. Often with loose parallels across inexplicable boundaries. From tribes in the middle of Africa to East Asians to Native Americans.

And they're not the same anyhow. The Sumerians propped up the ancient Serpent. it's absolutely not the same story. Both the Sumerian flood story and the creation story revolve around a Trickster god (Enki), who is a serpentine/reptilian deity. In this version, the chief god (Enlil) is petulant and simply wants to wipe out humanity because he's trying to sleep. The Serpent is made into the good guy and informs a "Noah" type of character to save himself and salvage mankind.

The same goes for their distortion on the creation story. In this version, the world is created merely for the pleasure of these petulant gods. The Garden of Eden is for their sake alone. Since they're also lazy and prone to pleasure seeking, they create a class of mindless creatures called humans to clean up and till the garden and be their slaves. "Enki" the Serpent takes "pity" on these humans and gives them "knowledge". The humans then free themselves from the pleasure garden of Enlil and it's a brave new world and everyone lives happily ever after. Nothing about what an absolute disaster any of this is. Nothing about sin being brought into the world. Nothing about the Garden actually being created for Men and life as a gift and God loving his creation. No, it's all about distorting God and praising the Serpent. Don't be fooled.

To this day, this is what those sicko elites in "secret societies" worship. They believed they're all "enlightened" for knowing the true "good" nature of Lucifer, and follow crap like the Sumerians did. There's truly nothing new under the sun.

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f7f61d  No.841933

>>841927

Here's another thing on that note: Just the fact of how convoluted the Akkadian and Sumerian stories are compared to the more direct and simple biblical ones are should be enough to make one doubt if it's truly older.

It usually doesn't work like that, where the complex and elaborate product is the original. Be it with the evolution of stories, weapons, clothing, food recipes, etc.. It's true that the writings are older, but not necessarily the retention of that particular version. There are oral traditions that predate all of it.

And when I say convoluted, I don't just mean the plot points or the clever nature of Enki, but also just how things are phrased. There are more poetic flourishes and such. The bible is more direct and rarely examines psychology or the context of people's mood, while the other Epics have phrases like "The Flood roared like a bull. Like a wild ass screaming, the winds howled."

Genesis simply doesn't speak like that. It's stark prose. You'd have to into the much later Prophets or Psalms to get language like this. Even with the beauty of the KJV, it still doesn't attempt to embellish the story too much:

"And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters."

These are simple verbs and direct depictions and not metaphorical crap like "The Flood roared like a bull". Those are words of a court poet or priest, who's just ruining an older story. And the fact that they keep pushing Enki as a hero tells me it was written by a priest of Enki.

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ed5aae  No.841939

Any similarity between Christianity and another religion is always taken to be the influence of the latter on the former and never otherwise by biased minds like yours.

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000000  No.841960

>>841865

>If the Hebrews adopted (or stole) a good chunk of their religion and mythos from the ancient Sumerians

They follow the similar lines of traditions from generation to generation, which is to be expected if Adam/Noah existed.

And funny thing is, compared to most ancient middle eastern religions the Hebrews' scriptures tend to be the least mythological which scholars would expect from an accurate, ancient historical works, but because academics tend to be fulled by ungodly people, they find ways to criticize the bible anyway.

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7e7ab5  No.841967

Maybe those things just actually happened…

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