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>>840743

>What is the difference between Catholics and the Pharisee?

Catholics believe in and follow Jesus Christ. Pharisees do not.

>>840744

Based orthofriend.

>>840744

Ah, OK. So, everything else they agree on?

>>840743

>>840747

>Both uphold tradition

Yes.

>both ignore the heart of God's word while upholding the letter

That depends on the parish and on the individual Catholic. Some parishes, like mine, are very orthodox and have many wonderful devout Catholics in it that uphold the Spirit of the Law and the Letter of the Law (that being loving God before all things and loving your neighbor as yourself). Some are utter crap in one (or both) departments. It's quite rude and uncalled for to levy what really is a case-by-case judgement on an entire group unnecessarily. That's like me saying all Protestants only listen to the word of God when they feel like it, sin constantly and use prayer as a means to avoid punishment. That's blatantly untrue. There are a lot of people that take their faith seriously and to generalize like that makes me think you are baiting.

>and both thought works were required

If you have true faith, then good works necessarily must follow. Faith without works is dead but works in and of themselves (i.e. without faith) don't justify you before God. I honestly think the whole "faith vs. works" debate is artificial due to it being a result of how things are formulated rather than actual theological differences.

>>840749

>That depends on the parish and on the individual Catholic. Some parishes, like mine, are very orthodox and have many wonderful devout Catholics in it that uphold the Spirit of the Law and the Letter of the Law (that being loving God before all things and loving your neighbor as yourself). Some are utter crap in one (or both) departments. It's quite rude and uncalled for to levy what really is a case-by-case judgement on an entire group unnecessarily. That's like me saying all Protestants only listen to the word of God when they feel like it, sin constantly and use prayer as a means to avoid punishment. That's blatantly untrue. There are a lot of people that take their faith seriously and to generalize like that makes me think you are baiting.

The problem with grouping all Protestants together is: who is our unified leader? Catholics, on the other hand, have the Pope who has, let's just say, aligned with some of the worst ideas in the world.

>If you have true faith, then good works necessarily must follow. Faith without works is dead but works in and of themselves (i.e. without faith) don't justify you before God. I honestly think the whole "faith vs. works" debate is artificial due to it being a result of how things are formulated rather than actual theological differences.

I generally agree with your assessment, good works will follow in a changed life. That being said, there are quite a few who do take a different view that it is by your works you are saved. I got to hear that straight from an Orthodox priest's mouth.

I believe your conception of faith is wrong. The word of God said that if the Pharisees were sons of Abraham, they would have done his works.

>>840751

>The problem with grouping all Protestants together is: who is our unified leader?

I mean, I could just apply it to groups of Protestants. A lot of Protestant groups have governing bodies that literally promote gay marriage, contraception, abortion, women priests, etc. The Pope can say stupid s— and have his dumb political hot takes all he wants: there's a difference between him actually being a typical socialist Chilean and saying something infallible, which always err on it being in line with the Magisterium's teaching (usually ex cathedra). Again, I don't do that. I can only judge an individual person for their commitment to God because frankly you can at least bring it up with them and change their minds so that they follow the Lord in a better manner.

One attempts to alter the Law of Moses, the other is the same for the Law of Christ. Lastly, the sodomite goes against the law of nature.

These are dealt with in Mark 7:7-13, Acts 20:29-32, and Romans 1:26—2:2 (KJV), among others.

Mark 7

>Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

>For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

>And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

>For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

>But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

>And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

>Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Acts 20

>Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

>For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

>Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

>Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

>And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Romans 1 / 2

>For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

>And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

>And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

>Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

>Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

>Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

>Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

>But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

Amen. May the word of our Lord grow without bounds so that we all may look unto the day of His glorious appearing.