/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>840081

idk about steiner but he seems like one of those new age types that shouldnt be taken seriously generally speaking. Christianity has its own form of esotericism in the form of mysticism, some key figures:

meister eckhart for catholics (his condemnation is debatable)

jakob boehme for protestants

gregory palamas for orthodox

Esoteric as in what? There is nothing to be uncovered.

Faggotry

>>840098

>seems like one of those new age types

My dad is super into Steiner and the way he explained Steiner to me, and from the things I read, this is completely true.

Steiner started his "spiritual science" before he believed in Christ, and he discovered and believes in Christ only through personal experience, completely separate from the Bible and stuff.

He also seems to believe that all religions have Christ at the center, under different interpretations. (honestly, I don't find this outrageous at all, but ultimately there can only be one Christ)

>>840108

I haven't looked into the guy much. From reading the wiki it seems that he's not a heretic, which is nice.

Forgot my flag btw

>>840109

Reading his book A Different Christianity and finding his site Praxis Research is ultimately what made me decide to check out and eventually become Orthodox.

https://www.praxisresearch.net/

http://orthochristian.com/72090.html

>>840081

What does Max Stirner have to do with Esoteric Christianity?

>>840109

A short decent video on Robin Amis.

>>840151

New video on Robin Amis and his spiritual father St. Paisios.

>>840563

>Roman Catholic opinion

Into the trash it goes

>>840563

Hey man, what's wrong with Gurdjieff? Before I became Christian, I, whilst I never got to the point where I was seriously studying his books, I'd at least gone so far as to pirate them. I had a desire to practise what he preached. I don't know if I have some kind of undiagnosed ADD but my attention-span was weak and so this idea that I, with particular practises, could more easily be in a state of "self-remembering" was very hopeful to me. I looked forward to being able to create a more conscious version of myself as opposed to my usual mind-wandering self and, not only that but, according to him, I'd also be able to create a soul for myself as well so after I die, I'll actually survive.

Admittedly, there is a sense of superiority as I rise into conscious behaviour unlike the masses who, as Gurdjieff says, walk about in their days like a trance-like state. He either compares them to machines or say they are in a dream of sorts but nonetheless, that is overshadowed by the fact that I clearly needed this. This is a religion that could address my life-long flaw. After all, it's not like there's any aspect of Christianity that's advertised as a remedy to ADD-like symptoms. I mean, I suppose you could pray for it but that wouldn't have been convincing to my former self.

There is one slight concern I have with Gurdjieff and that's the fact that he would supposedly get really emotionally riled up and start shouting obscenities at visible non-laity members of the Church if he ever saw them. Such irrational behaviour struck me as odd and I had no reasons to be in favour of Christianity in those days.

I believe I recall reading that he held the opinion that Christians originally practised a better version of Christianity that had better prayers but they moved away from that stuff and so their prayer became dead. I didn't know what the Saints did to deepen their prayer life so when I saw those words, I immediately thought of people reciting words during Mass and I thought it made sense. So there's definitely some anti-Christian sentiments in what he says but doesn't it have good to it?

I still have a soft respect for him, after all this time and I as of yet see no reason to discard it.

>>840099

> There is nothing to be uncovered.

How do you know?

>I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.

>>840099