e182a1 No.840018
Personal experience aside, biblically, is it possible that we're all saved?
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62c35d No.840020
No. The term is universalism for your research though.
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4b7563 No.840023
>>840018
Biblically, Jesus says that we should strive to enter through the narrow gate and he describes the road to hell as a broad road. In this, Jesus reveals that he predicts most will go to hell and so, no, biblically, it's not possible that we're all saved.
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80b9f7 No.840033
>>840018
Because of the narrow gate verse, no it's not possible. That's why if I see the majority doing something, I try to do the opposite such as follow Traditional Catholicism instead of the common liberal one most people follow today. I know you're not considering personal experiences but I'll post a relevant one I had anyway in case someone else finds it interesting. I was praying, trying to deal with the abusive hate people attack me with and I heard Mary say "Some people even think I'm a demon." So if some people will call God's sinless mother a demon how can you take any of their opinions seriously?
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a490d8 No.840034
>>840018
Who's the "all" here? Literally everyone or the all the people who claim to be a Christians?
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285127 No.840039
>>840033
1) You complain about being attacked with abusive hate, because that way nobody will want to respond to you, so that you are free to talk about demons on the christian board
2) The thread said personal experience aside then you came in posting a personal experience
3) Whatever false spirit whispered that in your ear likely was a devil and now you're coming on here repeating it on the christian board.
4) "God's sinless mother" is a Roman Catholic doctrine, and it doesn't refer to the Mary of the Bible, but to a false god with the same name whose statues they worship, and possible to whatever demonic entity whispered in your ear as well— it points to a different Mary, that, like a god, claims to be sinless, not to Mary who is Jesus' real mother and who obeys the truth.
5) The whole sinless created creature thing is Satanic because it contradicts the Gospel which says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Catholicism is not Christian because of denying Scripture truth. But you came on here, into this thread that's not related to what you are saying, just to post this here for other people to see.
6) I've seen you posting this way for a while now and I'm really concerned for you. I honestly think you should stop listening to demonic spiritual entities and doing what they say. Worship God, and bring praise to his glorious name, Jesus… for the things He has done for you.
>>840018
Universalism, the idea that all will be saved, is contradicted by the fact that Christ said, "for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat",
What was his advice? Enter ye in at the strait gate, "because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
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60b277 No.840040
>>840039
See >>840024, Mary is free of concupiscence and Original Sin. To not believe so is to contradict the prophecy of God (Genesis 3:15) and, therefore, Scripture.
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80b9f7 No.840046
>>840039
It's ironic you accuse me of caving to demonic influence when according to Catholic exorcists hating Mary or claiming she isn't sinless like the Church teaches is a sign of demonic influence. But out of the chance you are concerned about me I will meditate on my life and try to isolate areas of possible demonic influence.
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62c35d No.840067
>>840046
>claiming Mary isn't sinless like the Church teaches is a sign of demonic influence
You're in a cult
Can I get a ref on your church saying this?
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e8b52e No.840068
Mary wasn’t sinless. That would make her perfect. Mary wasn’t perfect, therefore she wasn’t sinless. Every human is born in sin. Every single one ever since Adam and Eve. I thought we all knew this.
However, Mary and Joseph were very righteous people.
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f30bca No.840070
>>840068
They usually respond to this argument with the blasphemy of comparing Mary to Christ
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e8b52e No.840073
>>840070
I don’t know why it’s not clear to everyone. The wages of sin is death. All that die are imperfect. Marry died of old age eventually, proving without doubt that she was also imperfect.
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e8b52e No.840074
>>840073
Just one of many reasons why it’s fact that she was imperfect. BTW.
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f30bca No.840075
>>840073
They don't believe that either, they believe she ascended bodily into heaven without dying
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e8b52e No.840076
>>840075
I see they covered that base. There are many other bases that they can’t cover. How did Mary not know Jesus was in the synagogue when they left Him behind? Why did Mary tell Jesus “they have no wine” at the wedding and Jesus, the perfect one, answered “what am I to do with you woman”? These examples show a lack of perfection. Not an unrighteous woman but an imperfect one.
Some things you gotta leave to God. I’m sure many here have felt the same about me so I can’t judge. If only they didn’t worship her in the meantime.
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e8b52e No.840077
>>840076
Also when they found Jesus they where distraught. Jesus, the perfect one, answered them, “did you not know I was in the house of my Father?”
Mary and Joseph both showed a lack of faith in this account. If the Bible is as perfect as most here believe, then they must also accept these accounts.
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fa9a92 No.840083
>>840077
>Ex brother
The Bible is an account of a perfect truth written by imperfect men. It is perfect in its conveyance of truth. All discrepancy is either of no consequence or a consequence of misunderstanding, e.g. apparently someone doesn't understand the nature of Mary, you or them.
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e8b52e No.840087
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f30bca No.840089
>>840076
>Why did Mary tell Jesus “they have no wine” at the wedding and Jesus, the perfect one, answered “what am I to do with you woman”?
They actually claim that story proves Jesus acts in submission to Mary
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e8b52e No.840091
>>840089
OMG. How is that possible? “What am I to do with you” is clearly the words of a son who’s mother keeps tiring him with unpleasantness. I’ve almost said these exact words to my own mother when she wouldn’t accept that we are not to call God by His first name, even if it is Jehovah. I kept telling her we are to call Him “Father” and this is revealed in the Lord’s Prayer, it almost came out of my mouth naturally.
Do you not all have mothers anons? Have they not annoyed you at some point? Jesus was being annoyed here. Can you not see that? How is this account not clear?
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fedb7a No.840093
>>840083
>The Bible is an account of a perfect truth written by imperfect men.
Is it so hard to accept the Logos left evidence of his will in the universe He directly created instead of a book written by fallible men? Think about it. Which makes more sense?
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f30bca No.840095
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6afb96 No.840107
>>840093
Is it so hard to accept that is a false dichotomy, i.e. the Logos left evidence of His will through fallible men. Else what has He to do with us? Think about it. Which makes more sense? I also worry about the faith of people whom you teach otherwise. One only need a quick Google search to turn up mistakes that you'd explain away making the Bible seem to normiefolk all the more far-fetched.
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1f237b No.840421
>>840089
Remember, back in Bible times, women got married young. Mary was 13 when Jesus was born. They were quite close in maturity when he was 30.
I took this as lighthearted banter. The only thing missing is the "Oy, vey!" on the beginning of it. Have you never seen Jews interact with each other?
John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
John 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
As Mary watched Jesus grow up, and everything he said happened, or was a good (as in, perfect) idea, she learned to do what he said.
I can just see this young-ish 43-year-old woman saying to Jesus, knowing he was a fun-loving, happy guy who was famous for being kind and helping people in trouble, "Jesus, they have run out of the Fun Juice!"
Jesus rolls his eyes, palms up, "What am I gonna do with you? It ain't my time yet!"
Then he helps them out and they get 20 to 30 gallons of Chateau ben Joseph AD 30, and the guests all marvel at how fantastic the wine tastes, after the chief steward tastes it and is absolutely amazed.
Jesus loves people, no less his own mother, or the couple getting married, who were probably friends of theirs or relatives, or both.
I just find the whole scene rather entertaining. He didn't have to submit to Mary to help her friends or relatives out. Do you have to submit to someone to help them with a flat tire?
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e8b52e No.840422
>>840421
I wonder what else Jesus did around the house before this wedding. Because Mary had total faith in Jesus being able to do this.
I wonder what the first miracle He did was to prove to His parents that He can do these things. Maybe He fixed one of Joseph’s tools, or turned flour into salt for his mother to cook with. I really wonder what the first miracle was.
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1f237b No.840423
>>840422
Actual miracle? I don't know if he did any before this.
oh 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Joh 2:7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
Joh 2:8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. Take special note of verse 11.
Joh 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
Joh 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
Joh 2:11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
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e8b52e No.840424
>>840423
No mentioned in the Bible of any miracle before the wedding miracle, but Mary came up to Jesus with confidence like she’s seen Him do something before. The way she told those people to do whatever Jesus says, and the way she just told Jesus straight up vaguely, “they have no wine”. Jesus knew what she meant and seemed to react like He’s had several conversations with her about not doing miracles for every little thing. I strongly feel Jesus proved something at home at some point, probably more than once.
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af62e1 No.840473
>>840089
>They actually claim that story proves Jesus acts in submission to Mary
That's retarded.
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7b4642 No.840497
>>840018
No, read Deuteronomy 6:5. One must love God totally, which requires faith in His existence. From those two ingredients, all moral good that has ever been flows naturally, because all moral good is merely a part of the glory of God, insofar as it is a kind of brute fact about human social existence in this fallen world. God's glory is the light that a true worshiper cannot put under a bushel (Matthew 5:15-16).
But God is not about moral good, God has his own purpose and is not obliged to any of our desires.
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