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Prophets † 06/30/20 (Tue) 04:24:40 936871 No.839644

Throughout the prophets, we find Jews breaking every facet of their covenant with God, joining and forming all sorts of idolatrous cults and heathen practices. Yet when the prophets chide them, they are called “My people, Israel.” How does Christian theology deal with this hard biblical fact? (Is this what Paul was talking about in the olive tree analogy?)

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† 06/30/20 (Tue) 04:29:53 78382a No.839645

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We do a text study of the word Israel and of Jew

The biggest mistake is conflating today's Jews with old testament Israel.

Regarding the covenants, the two legitimate options are dispensationalism or "covenant theology"

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† 06/30/20 (Tue) 06:40:57 c27400 No.839647

>>839644

>Regarding the covenants, the two legitimate options are dispensationalism or "covenant theology"

dispensationalism was the heresy injected into Christianity in the 1920's when the Rockefellers were taking control of all the institutions in our society that form public opinion.It was during this period that postmodernism became the basis of society. Postmodernism is the denial of truth. In postmodernism, truth is just the opinion of the most powerful person(s) in the society. There is no God, there is no truth.

Christianity was an important institution to shape public opinion at the time and so it dispensationalism was introduced by Cyruis Scofeild (a notorious loser, swindler and deadbeat dad)in his Scofeilkd's Study Bible, and DL Moody.

The truth is eternal. That's a necessary belief of Christians. Truth has to be eternal to be truth. If truth changes over time then it never was truth, but the underlying force which caused it to change is truth,

dispensationalism, boiled down to it's primary tenant is that Time is divided into "dispensations", each of which had it's own purpose and God acted in a way specific to that dispensation to accomplish some goal or goals.

Superficially, that sounds harmless, right? However, the implications of such a thing is that Truth would become relative because it's relative to a dispensation. God is also relative because he acts differently according to the dispensation. It reduces our perception of truth from eternal and unchanging to just a set of standards relative to the dispensation.

This removed the primary contention Christianity would have had against our postmodern society, which has allowed truth to be erased in our world without an outcry from Christians.

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† 06/30/20 (Tue) 06:42:17 936871 No.839648

>>839645

Entry level-tier infographic, answers nothing. (What category does an American Jew fall into?)

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† 06/30/20 (Tue) 12:36:31 9950de No.839652

>>839644

Per Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi:

And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. For, while our Divine Saviour was preaching in a restricted area — He was not sent but to the sheep that were lost of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24) — the Law and the Gospel were together in force; (St. Thomas Aquinas, First Part of the Second Part, Q. 103, Article 3) but on the gibbet of his death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees, (Ephesians 2:15) fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, (Colossians 2:14) establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race. (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25) “To such an extent, then,” says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, “was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom.” (Leo the Great, Serm., LXVIII, 3: Migne, P.L., LIV, 374)

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† 06/30/20 (Tue) 15:01:59 46a08a No.839653

>>839645

That's not what OP was talking about. Even Aaron fell to idols.

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† 07/01/20 (Wed) 01:28:19 0a9f52 No.839685

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>>839644

>How does Christian theology deal with this hard biblical fact?

In the Old Testament time, Christ had not been born yet so He is referring to Christ and the line of ancestors that will lead to him as mentioned in Matthew 1 and Luke 3, as well as everyone who is in Christ, and is therefore the true Israel and elect people of God.

The mistake that many unsaved people stumbled into was thinking that simply being physically born was the key to being in the nation even when in the Mosaic covenant it was possible to be cut off from the people for unworthiness. The key realization is that only Christ will be able to live up to the standard of the Mosaic Law, and only those who are in Him ("I am the way, the truth and the life") shall be called the people of God as far as God is concerned. The New Testament affirms this in many ways but it was possible to see it in the Old which is how people got saved by believing on the coming Christ according to Hebrews 11, Galatians 3 and 4, etc. You can see the Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament very clearly if the grace of God allows you to have true understanding.

>(Is this what Paul was talking about in the olive tree analogy?)

Yes, in Romans 11 he was showing how saved people are being placed into the true Israel while the unrighteous who are not believing in Christ are cut out of it, now that the New Testament has commenced. The New Testament was planned all along. This is why in Romans 11:26 it says "he shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob" which signifies those ungodly being torn out of Israel: and they can only become part of it by getting right with God through Christ as their Saviour and his righteousness. This is why he said "I am the vine" as well as other statements to similar effect. Because only He was found to be living in pure righteousness without any sin and therefore He alone is worthy to inherit all of the promises.

Lastly when Paul was talking about the physical nation of Israel in Romans 9 and other places, it was only in contrast to the true spiritual nation. He makes this contrast throughout Romans (i.e. Rom. 2:29, 9:6, 11:25) in order to make it clear what's going on and what the difference is. See also Galatians 4, the parable of the wicked husbandmen (Matthew 21:33-45) and the book of Hebrews especially. Consider carefully chapters 8-10 of that book.

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† 07/01/20 (Wed) 05:21:54 cc5bb2 No.839691

>>839685

>In the Old Testament time, Christ had not been born yet so He is referring to Christ and the line of ancestors that will lead to him as mentioned in Matthew 1 and Luke 3, as well as everyone who is in Christ, and is therefore the true Israel and elect people of God.

Checks out actually. Even the Talmud says that 80 percent of the Jews never even left Egypt. Ok, /thread

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