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3e0043  No.839595

As denizens of the depths of the internet, I'm certain you all know what a sexual fetish is and are familiar with how bizarre they can get. So my questions are these:

1. Are sexual fetishes inherently bad/sinful?

2. If so, is there a way to get rid of them?

3. Are people who suffer from particularly dysgenic or bizarre sexual fetishes to resort to celibacy?

4. Do you think there is a reason God has allowed this phenomenon to arise in humans?

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48c628  No.839597

>1

Yes, understanding fetishism to mean unnatural not just sexual desires or bedroom preferences with your wife.

>2

Yes, spiritually

>3

No, why? Engaging in godly sexual intercourse is still open

>4

Not in particular

Fallen nature

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a524c9  No.839600

>>839595

I used to believe the meme that gays were always born gay. Then God let a demon suddenly give me a fetish for d—s. Getting that fetish did show time the truth that gayness is a curse caused by demons not genetic. So yes it was willed by God to prevent me from spreading a dangerous meme but that was a pretty rude way to go about showing me the truth.

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a524c9  No.839601

>>839600

*show me the truth

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508ff4  No.839649

>>839595

>1. Are sexual fetishes inherently bad/sinful?

Not necessarily. There are people that have fetishes that are normal and they're married. Like say, a creampie fetish with your wife.

>2. If so, is there a way to get rid of them?

Pray for a miracle and God may grant it.Lacking that, it's like a pickle trying to go back to being a cucumber. Once you've corrupted yourself with some sexual perversion then you have to fight it like a drug addiction to get rid of it. Anyone that's gone no fap knows that. That's why virginity is so important

>3. Are people who suffer from particularly dysgenic or bizarre sexual fetishes to resort to celibacy?

why not just get married and resort to normal sex?

>4. Do you think there is a reason God has allowed this phenomenon to arise in humans?

Fetishes are the result of abuse or some need that was inadequately filled while growing up.

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77fc86  No.839650

Speaking of which I just masturbated while fantasizing about my sister. Again. How do I 100% purge this depraved fantasy so that it never comes back? I feel so guilty…

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aa802f  No.839655

>>839650

Know that the feeling of discomfort from resisting a passion is the feeling of spiritual growth. The way is not a stroll and difficulty makes you step out of it, but difficulty makes you step into it for difficulty is the way.

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11d877  No.839663

>Are sexual fetishes inherently bad/sinful?

Possessing them is not, but indulging in them is. Indulging in fetishes turns the act of love-making into an act of self-gratification and selfishness. It would fit under the category of lust, which is when one takes sex out of its intended purpose of love and procreation.

>Is there a way to get rid of them?

Penance - prayer, fasting, and self denial. Jesus is the Great Physician, the doctor of our souls. All things are possible in God. By giving our burdens to him and trusting in his mercy and power, by uniting our voice to his through prayer, and by deadening our selfish impulses through self denial we can conquer through His grace.

>Are people who suffer to resort to celibacy?

I think it depends on the person. I share Paul's opinion that celibacy is a good and righteous calling for those it is meant for, particularly those who might find their loyalties divided between serving God and serving their spouse. If someone is able to control their fetishes then I do not think they need to be celibate.

>Is there a reason God has allowed this

Free will. Ever since the Fall we have keen to pursue what is pleasing and satisfying to our own selfish desires. Fetishes are just another outlet for this gratification.

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642cff  No.839678

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Inherently sinful, yes, and, with the perversion of power dynamics incorporated into planned and progressively degenerate sex antics, quite possibly one of the more overt and directly satanic items of modern ruin. The nature of modernity is that whereas the evils of fornication and simple masturbation, or murder seem within reach of description, and do not require a raping of a person’s sense of right and wrong to evaluate in terms of severity. What we are discussing passes that barrier; characterstically, there is nothing that can be said to adequately express the gravity of this sin, nothing. When I see a man om twitter who put his hands in liquid peroxide overnight so they’d cut them off and his furry boyfriend and him could fulfill their codependent fantasies, when I see a man spend 24 hours in a rubber suit in a septic tank on the internet and people laughing about it, I wonder why noone else is crying instead. I wonder why noone else gets sweat on their forehead from the nausea, etc. That is so, so far removed from what is proper to be done and discussed in the world of living things, and such an intensely hurtful insult, that doing anything other than fleeing from that at the cost of risking death from dehydration from the sheer physical effort of trying to get away from whatever position you’re in that these things are suggested to you, can’t really be condoned. I can begin to describe it; I can post a crying emoji, I can post a despair wojak, I can even attempt to write a smarmy response. The only thing these things attain is my own lowering, for no matter what I say or do in response, the situation will be left too edified, too high, too intact, too unillumined. Therefore, disgust, indescribability, shock and death being so plentiful are the defining characteristics of these issues. I can’t think of anything more resembling of a place of satan worship than a bdsm dungeon, and I can’t help but think of some of the things I myself have seen on this very site. The marble columns the people in power roam around by in their suits talking about the next pizza are more subtle. But what capacity for destruction is rendered to civilians? Nothing subtle about it, nothing other than sin. I don’t think the reason we see this today is very different than the reason we saw similar things happen in

unit 731 in Japan in the 40s, or Nanking, etc, but maybe these ocurrences were less suicidal. Getting rid of them? Please, we need all the help we can get. Trust me, I’D KNOW

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3eec1e  No.839687

>>839601

You wrote it right the first time homie.

>>839663

>Possessing them is not

bruh, you imagine relations with a random woman and you've already done it wrong. This whole world is twisted, it needs to be remolded by God from the chaos it has descended into.

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24e6b6  No.839689

>>839687

>right the first time

How? What are you getting from him typing "show time the truth"? It sounds nonsensical to me.

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7afc40  No.839692

1. No. Every sexual act must be open to life (this is not a dismissal of NFP of course nor a dismissal of sex with your pregnant wife). That is the only requirement. If you want your wife to cosplay as a cowgirl whilst you copulate with her, that's fine. It's when your fetish leads you to engaging in acts that are inherently not reproductive (e.g. sodomy. Oral sex also counts as sodomy too, by the way. Just thought I'd throw that in since it shocked me when I first found out) that there's a problem.

2. I think abstinence from pornography, fasting and the rosary would help.

3. I think if a person were to be so attached to their fetish that they are no longer capable of becoming sufficiently aroused to engage in the natural, sexual act (i.e. PIV sex) then I suppose they would have no choice but that would be rare and I imagine they just need some help breaking that addiction through fasting and prayer.

4. I think I heard somewhere from a Priest that sometimes God allows men to ruin themselves so that they can see with their own eyes what the consequences are of the pursuit of their sinful desires.

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58acb3  No.839698

>>839692

Your views are wrong about what sodomy is. Sodomy is specifically only related to homosexuality.

Sex is the physical manifestation of love, love is not just about reproduction. The marriage arrangement is where God wants two people (male and female) to enjoy each others urges/fetishes. You have a very messed up and burdensome view of sexual desires. Gods laws are not burdensome. God gives us laws that we must keep, yes. But God also gives us gifts that we may enjoy. Just because something gives a person much pleasure doesn’t mean it’s forbidden. God is not a killjoy. One doesn’t need to fight every pleasure in order to please God. Pleasure and sin are two different things, they don’t always go hand in hand. Not everything that feels good is a sin. All forms of sex between a married man and woman are allowed by God. Life has many pleasures, God has given mankind many things that your church views as a sin because of the sexual hangups it has. Sex is kinky every way it’s performed. Sex is not only for reproduction.

Guilt is the most powerful form of control. Your church simply created these lies you believe because they needed a way to control married people through guilt. Your church keeps pushing these beliefs because it is too late to come out and say they were wrong. Jesus never mentioned any of this, he only mentioned that marriage is between one man and one woman, and may only be released because of infidelity. Not even the Old Testament mentions the rules you mentioned. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for homosexuality and pedophilia. Homosexuals rely on oral and anal sex, yes, but that wasn’t the reason they were destroyed. They were destroyed because they fulfilled their sexual needs through homosexuality and other arrangements against the will of God.

The JW’s at one point taught the same thing. They were wrong and quietly stopped teaching it, without the announcement that they were wrong. Once you are married you will understand, or maybe you will beat yourself up about something new, now that masturbation is no longer a problem for you when your married. And so this perpetual guilt all Catholics surrender to keeps them in line and always afraid. Always guilty and always in need of the church. Christ set us free from Pharisee-like false laws.

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7afc40  No.839719

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>>839698

>Your views are wrong about what sodomy is. Sodomy is specifically only related to homosexuality.

Oh I see. It's only the Catholic Church that deems oral sex to also be sodomy. Good to know.

>Sex is the physical manifestation of love, love is not just about reproduction

The Church's stance is that marriage is not about love - that it is in fact, a contract. If a spouse requests the conjugal act, the other spouse would be committing a mortal sin if he or she does not have good reason to comply with the request. Theoretically, even if a pair of spouses came to hate one another, if one requested the marital debt, the other must pay. The fulfillment of this contract is a matter of Justice, not Love. Loving your spouse (in the sense of having positive feelings towards them) definitely makes the contract easier to fulfill but is not necessary.

>Gods laws are not burdensome

Matthew 10:38

<And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me.

I seriously doubt that Christ expected us to always enjoy following him. After all, he does refer to trying to enter heaven as passing through the "narrow gate".

>Just because something gives a person much pleasure doesn’t mean it’s forbidden

If you believe that the Church's reason for forbidding certain sexual practises is because they're too pleasurable then, whilst I'm too uneducated to correct you, I know enough to say that you are most certainly wrong. These conclusions are arrived at through a combination of Philosophy and Theology. They're arrived at in a kind of mathematical, logical way. I remember reading a pamphlet on NFP and whilst I didn't understand it, it was reassuring to know that at least somebody knows what they're talking about.

I believe it comes down to the issue of the ends of a act. Every act strives to attain some kind of final result. What is the final result of the sexual act? It's children. To separate a sexual act then from its purpose, to yield children, is to repurpose it to one's own ends, a highly prideful act and grave sin.

Embedded in my post is the relevant video.

>One doesn’t need to fight every pleasure in order to please God

I believe the Church's stance is that desires also have a certain end. Since the end of the bodily passions is the creation of children and since only married Catholics may create children, Catholics outside of marriage are to suppress such passions at all times. This is just Church teaching.

Your psychoanalysis about guilt can be extended beyond the Church and to Christianity in general. One could argue that homosexuals are being told not to engage in homosexual sex as a control method, to control them through guilt so it's baseless.

I severely doubt I was able to persuade you that I'm right and I doubt this video will either. Nonetheless, I don't regret providing the Catholic perspective on OP's question with the little that I know. I hope you have a nice day.

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58acb3  No.839721

>>839719

>The Church's stance is that marriage is not about love

From your entire reply this is what stuck out to me. This is why you will fail in finding happiness. You don’t understand the gift of marriage. You don’t understand what it is. You’ve let doctrine of devils mislead you in life. You are so caught up in your catholic “education” that you are fully indoctrinated from every angle that one can possibly reach you from. You don’t know how complex lies are formed. If you understood how lies are successfully given birth to you would know you believe in a lie in this regard.

You constantly use catholic doctrine to educate people, you don’t rely on only the Bible. You have much invested in your faith and no logic to see outside the strategical lies you were fed. You say the churches stance on marriage isn’t about love but that is why two people want to get married in the first place. There is nothing I can say that will save you from your destructive path. This will require a sacrifice on my part. Are you single? You must be. Once you fall in love you will know your church has lied to you. Once you fall in love you will see the truth.

The following I say from the bottom of my heart, and I never thought I would say this to an enemy, yes, your my enemy. To be frank I hate you more than any other catholic on this board. Why? Because of your willingness to water down the gifts of God, your willingness to show “spirituality” through unjust means. Your willingness to show that you know more than anyone else about faith by twisting the personality of God and making Him out to be cruel and cold hearted and perpetually hateful towards his creations. You make the already narrow path something only the most trained rock climber can navigate.

I’m assuming your a brother, not a sister. So this will be a little awkward if you’re not a brother. But God will know what I mean. I’ve never done one of these before, I hope you can ignore how weird and unorthodox this is.

Here’s my prayer for you, I know I will regret this in the short term, but I will not in the long term:

Our Father in heaven, I come before you today with an unusual request I never thought I would utter for someone I hate with all my heart. This brother I’m replying to today, I don’t know his name. I don’t know much about him, he claims to love you and I have no reason to believe he doesn’t. However, he definitely doesn’t know you personally. He thinks you to be very cruel, because he’s been taught about you by cruel men, very much like I once used to be. You tore me out of the mouth of a beast Father, through agony, pain, and suffering. I ask today that you tear this anon out from the mouth of another beast through joy, love, and a priceless gift that even I do not yet possess.

Father! Give to this brother the girl of his dreams! A sister that will meet every desire of his heart and then more. Let him feel love so great that he will always be able to see counterfeit love when he comes across it, and not be able to ignore it. Give to him a sister that he will in no way be able to brush off as anything other than a miracle and a gift from you personally. Give to him a girl that will bring him tears of joy and endless gifts. Give to him such a girl that will shock his notions and preconceptions about what love is and let him know what you define love to be. Carry the both of them in your palms and bring them closer to you, protect them and keep them away from the times and places that will be occupied by calamity.

Snatch this brother out of the mouths of wolves using love. Give to this brother what you haven’t even given me yet and what I never got the chance of having. Give him a clean painless rescue, something I didn’t even get when I was surrounded by wolves. Treat him better than you did me, please. For today I know you and love you and will never leave your side, I am not the one in danger. Everything you’ve given me Father is more than I deserved anyway, and I’m your servant forever. This brother, however, is the one in danger today. It’s his life that will not be spared by wolves. And so, give him these gifts before you even give me mine. I can wait a little longer Father, serve this brother his gifts first. I already know you Father, and that is enough for me. You should see to your sheep that are in danger first before feeding the ones in the stable, it’s only fair. Father I hate to pray this prayer, it will mean I will wait longer for my gifts. But for you Father, for you to be able to meet another one of your sons and be able to speak to them without the lies of the enemy, I’ll gladly make the sacrifice. I only ask that you give me strength to be able to wait longer than you expected me to, because by the end of this prayer, the reality will be that I now must.

Father I pray all this in the name of your Son, Jesus Christ, Amen!

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7afc40  No.839729

>>839721

>>The Church's stance is that marriage is not about love

Re-reading this, I just remembered:

Ephesians 5:25

<Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it:

It is true that marriage is about love. It's just that it is a contract. That doesn't mean that it's just a contract though, so yeah, I'd actually like to take back what I said. I'd really like to apologise not just to you but to anyone who reads my post and gains an erroneous understanding of Catholic doctrine.

>Your willingness to show that you know more than anyone else about faith by twisting the personality of God and making Him out to be cruel and cold hearted and perpetually hateful towards his creations

First off, I'm well aware that I don't know everything.

Secondly, I must admit that I myself don't quite understand the teaching on marriage. I was a bit surprised to learn that marriage was determined to be a "contract of bodily rights". On one hand, it's a bit poetic that the husband and wife quite literally belong to each other but on the other hand, after being exposed to what a "healthy relationship" looks like on TV in our secular culture, I was a bit surprised to see that it's actually a very grave sin (i.e. mortal) to deny one's spouse the conjugal act when they have reasonably requested it although I suppose this is just a natural consequence of spouses truly belonging to one another. Overall, I'd say I do want to study these things because I would like to know how the Church arrived at its conclusions from the Bible but for the time being, I'm willing to blindly trust in its teachings.

Also, this notion that God, in my mind, is perpetually hateful towards his creation? We Catholics experience God's mercy repeatedly in the Confessional! We also know it from the fact that we're not immediately damned upon any sin (unlike the angels who, upon rejecting God, were damned immediately).

>You make the already narrow path something only the most trained rock climber can navigate

No, no, no. It is difficult but it's not impossible. The Church gives plenty of tools to help us in the climb. First, there's the Confessional to catch you when you fall. Then, there's the graces from the Eucharist, the body, blood, soul and divinity of the Son of God Himself. Then there's the graces from praying the rosary and from doing penances as well as the plenary and partial indulgences you can gain for doing specific things. There's devotions too like the Three Hail Marys devotion, the Novena and the reparations to the Immaculate Heart of Mary or the Sacred Heart of Jesus (I just want to mention that if you do the "First 5 Saturdays" devotion (i.e. a specific procedure for offering reparations to Mary's Immaculate Heart), she actually promises salvation so this absolutely makes the narrow path easier to walk). It absolutely can be done. Do you really think most Catholics, sincerely striving for heaven, don't make it?

>That prayer

I appreciate it but I've already made a wife request from Mary. I don't know why you haven't received your wife yet. I requested a wife from God originally, stating in my typed letter to him a place (it was a public place), time (it was during daytime hours) and bodily requirements (I had this blind theory in my mind at the time that, even though Jesus said that you could ask for anything, realistically, God can't make the woman of your dreams show up at your doorstep the next morning with no warning so, out of my own doubt of God's ability, I did actually try to restrain how far I went with the bodily requirements. I specifically remember requesting a "decent" face and that's as far as I'll go with regards to talking about her physical appearance :) Nonetheless, I did hold back, just asking for one favoured feature. I also set the date a couple of days in the future to give God time to prepare the request). I believe I only waited perhaps three days and when I was at the place and time, I saw a woman that fit the features I requested however, I ended up walking away. In the end, it was for the best as, when I requested a wife, I just wanted to marry so I could fulfill my desires but the truth is, I'm in no position to support a family so I could never be a husband, unless it was with an infertile wife and I do in fact, desire to raise my own progeny.

I'm requesting from Mary now and I'm willing to wait years for what I've requested this time. It'll give me plenty of time to get ready for marriage too.

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d3f076  No.839741

>>839721

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/12/21/like-a-rutting-buck/

As several readers have noted, Song of Solomon literally sings the praises of the pleasure of marital sex. But even aside from Song of Solomon, there is also Proverbs 5. As with 1 Cor 7, the proverb starts by warning against sexual immorality and then exhorts the believer to direct their sexual passion as rightfully designed, into marriage:

This isn’t cold sex only to conceive a child, or mere duty sex. It also isn’t a picture of sex “purified” by romantic love**. This is sex with great physical passion. The proverb exhorts husbands to rejoice in their wives’ bodies:

Contrary to the argument that sexual passion is sinful if it isn’t carefully constrained, husbands are exhorted to be intoxicated with passion for their wives. The proverb offers the example to follow of a buck in the rut. For how else can we interpret this exhortation?

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/12/14/courtly-love-the-origins-of-cuckchivalry/

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2019/01/21/call-me-unchivalrous/

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609a6b  No.839743

>>839729

Here is a REALLY REALLY powerful prayer you can use if you get married or just in general

https://www.theworkofgod.org/Devotns/bridget_12years.htm

https://www.theworkofgod.org/Devotns/bridget.htm

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a97eeb  No.839798

>>839743

I just want to take a moment to thank you for posting this. I have yet to research into whether or not the promises of the devotion are legitimate (I was shocked to learn that some devotions are in fact, not legitimate) but potentially, if the promises here are true, this is perhaps the greatest devotion I've ever come to see. I must admit that I'm somewhat doubtful as it's crazy to think that the traditionalist priests at the Sensus Fidelium channel don't have a single video speaking on St. Bridget when a devotional with such great promises is available. The fact that they haven't covered it kind of makes me suspect it but nonetheless, I'll see what others have to say about it and perhaps give it a go myself.

Thanks anyway.

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609a6b  No.839802

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>>839798

Here is a video of the 15 prayer one on youtube

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609a6b  No.839803

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609a6b  No.839804

It appears they may be fake….Ahhh

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69a3bf  No.839834

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>>839595

Sexual fetishes are inherently bad, yes. They're a form of idolatry. They're the worship either yourself, your partner, or the object of your fetish as a source of power or vitality through sexual acts. There's a period before actual sexual arousal even starts where you feel an anticipatory chest swelling and fluttery feeling; a lot of that is often the anticipation of having your pride satisfied. The cure is prayer and fasting. Read 'Unseen Warfare', it has sections on what to do about lust.

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58acb3  No.839841

>>839834

> There's a period before actual sexual arousal even starts where you feel an anticipatory chest swelling and fluttery feeling; a lot of that is often the anticipation of having your pride satisfied.

You are misinterpreting a natural human emotion. Hunters feel this when the buck approaches. I feel this when I see a waiter or waitress approaching my table with that juice burger I ordered. Children feel this when their parents are parking their cars in the toy store parking lot about to go in.

This feeling you mentioned occurs every single time in people about to receive what they crave. In every sort of way. Someone has used clever tactics to seduce you into believing a lie. You need to critically think.

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