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7d1b8d  No.839104

I have an issue and yet because of the nature of my issue, I’ll just tell you it’s from an email I aim to send to a spiritual father whom I am familiar with and have the address of. That is, without greentext arrows, of course of course. I have a strange problem… It is relating to scrupulosity, and avarice, but also many things. I’ve worked myself into quite the trouble and don’t know where to from here. But this past year has surely been, as far as growth etc goes, the worst and most ruined of my life yet, and I am young enough to where that makes all the difference. I feel so, so much older, so, so much less happy, and I don’t think this can go on any longer. It (such a year) has been hard for all the wrong reasons, and easy for all the wrong ones, with me falling back into sin again and again and losing the zeal for many of the things that would help me out of such a rut, but also in general, where I lost zeal for mot things in life and cannot find any rest anymore on account of the glaring issue of my sinfulness having overtaken I can’t really make out my own personality anymore the way I am today, and I, having calloused myself over many nights forcing myself to tears in repentance to the best of my abilities, don’t know if I ever pray or repent with honesty anymore. I feel through a combination of many things including despondency, avarice and zeal, pride and I honestly don’t know what else, I’ve brought into my life this existential problem I cannot truly describe and I fear for myself.

>Discover through various kinds of music, movies, art etc, basically secular things but one’s close to my experience where ideas can be communicated effectively throughout my years as an adult, learn a lot and… love, many things

>A mental veil caused by sin does not permit me to see the beauty in what I valued beforehand

>Don’t engage in what pleases me or I find beautiful out of a fear I’d ruin it would fault in the moment, cannot see what is there, etc, for the devil only perverts and does not create, and if things cannot be appreciated so, I would be better off abstaining from them

>End up “fasting” from these things so long I sort of atrophy in my interior world and am very unhappy while away from what stimulates me

>Engage in listening to the music I associate with good memories, the art, etc places and people I like to go to and feel I know, because I can’t take it anymore at least on some level

>I nervously engage with the things I value with this same fear present, often justified, and it isn’t the same

>Feel mental state degrading, at it’s worst my composure is like I’m a 15 year old atheist again, sin about as much as I did back then

>Try to solve the problem by confronting myself in humility as having entered into such a ruined state, I, proud and unattentive as I am in the smallest moment, especially after a year of this forget/don’t follow up/don’t do justice and basically resume my life, taking nothing to heart where I’m free to indulge or abstain from anything but never go anywhere.

>The word “anadhema” comes to mind but also avarice, and neurosis. At any rate, I am never really at rest anymore thanks to what I interpreted as humility and self reproach for about a year, giving myself multiple nervous tics which were influenced by triggers of the sights of sin, the aforementioned reminders of, I suppose, love, and any and all Christian imagery.

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7d1b8d  No.839105

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Now, the strangest things happen. I can be in my room, cleaning it, and the sight of my nightstand Icon catches the corner of my eye, and I instantly convulse into a cringing motion, instinctively, initially out of this sense of “protection” because I was in and surrounding the “outside world”, and did not want to distort in any way or bring such a sinful world into the Christian, as I was reminded of by the Icon. But when I walk down the street and see a lamppost fragment in a certain way unto my eyes, reminding me of a biological pattern and thus creation, and obviously light, I also flinch and feel I have to impulsively do such a thing, to various degrees of intensity, it is a full on tic, and like any seriously heavy tic, one that brings great stress and at least exhaustion to the nervous system. I look at myself as this ruined form, or creature. I am, but not outside of the context of man. Equating myself to my sin, wondering about the workings of sin and myself and where I am left in the wake of it, I fail in explaining, but that there is this baseline doubt and negativity I’ve basically found myself carrying and dealing with at every moment. Lots of fear, lots of flight from matters, I shudder to think in what a state I’ve really left myself and I shudder to think what I have to do. I established mentally such scrupulosity is probably born from a lack of fulfilling engagement in spiritual life, and proper living it thusly. But it is such a dark place, to discover something like that, resolve concretely to better oneself, and fall so far back regardless, I am outraged and quite possibly bordering on despair just outside the realm of my understanding and conceptualization of myself, which includes despair not being an option, though this might also be a harmful admission.

It is not normal or “ok” to write something like this and direct it at someone. It could be argued it’s an act of aggrievement forcing someone to read something like this, the footnote to which goes beyond a “excuse me for the blogpost/long post/rant” etcetera kind of anecdote. You might find it interesting as a sort of profile, if not of me then of what unresolved sin can lead to. Nevertheless, I apologize, truly, I hope, for it, and I hope I will not waste time on something I should have resolved a long time ago, and I hope some use may come out of this. Perhaps I should never even have written this wall of text, and let the idea grow, that I am in such trouble, even subconsciously, I hope I’m forgiven. At any rate, I thank you.

And the same goes for you; truly. I suppose I can be identified from these kinds of posts, and the thread slots I’ve claimed for my own problems, deeming them more worthy to discuss than someone complaining about BLM or not being able to wank to traps, another thing I feel could and should bring a grown man to tears. Anyhow, again, I’m sorry, and hope someone can at least relate.

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7afb46  No.839113

I tried but couldn't understand you fully, sorry.

Though perhaps dissociating being genuine with mental states could help you live a more genuine life such that forcing tears will appear undesirable. I, for one, believe that extended fidelity is what determines when we lie and when we tell the truth, not instants of the mythological descartian ghost.

If this does not help, ignore and pardon me.

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7d1b8d  No.839306

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>>839113

Thank you for the response anyway friend, I’ve been thinking and exposed to some ideas since then and would like to offer my emberassing blogpost as only a little collection of a few paragraphs hardly worth your time, as just a thought with the following for the conclusion, because it’s no Bible translation discussion thread and it’s no atheist debate circle, I guess it’s foolish to come with anything else here. I don’t mean that in a waspy way, just for myself.

Here is the fear of being engulfed in the things of this world, not with faith and focus towards the good, and not the forgiveness of others who have been so, as was known all along, and in communion with like any other sin. When there is this fear of failing strength, or anxiety and many lashing out. In this world we’ve to discern what constitutes good and bad, thriving and suffering is skewed now, not the concepts of suffering and thriving, whereby all suffering out of a standpoint of repentance could be good but isn't. Thriving is skewed because of the passions having been able to run the world for almost all of time as far as we are concerned, and suffering being so plentiful we can barely discern what’s what through the fog of war as it were. But instead of being enammered with suffering, and risking harm, it is to discover what good is, and progress towards it. To walk this path of discovery, as in looking back upon moments which should have yielded no grace but where certainly steps along the way, is not to yield to fear. To walk this path of discovery, is to not become despondent and scrupulous in expecting heights of honesty and virtue from yourself, it is not to fear failure, as it were, and do, to the best of your abilities, including praying with zeal when it finds you, and with self-contempt, or pity if it is there, hidden, yet, and imperfect as it may be; for I am no athlete in the matter, or anything. But I also am to fill my eyes with light, according to the mind, we flee from the debasement the devil wants of us, but to edify. This is not to sin, not to despair, not to be proud, but hopeful and wholly in communion with the good, as well as humbly before these, and the stumbling, and the stumbling. It is good to be reverent, but never, truly, away. Never asking how far the image and likeness was suppressed to make way for the things of this world, never allowing ourselves to be healed and restored, never releasing hope to.

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