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c4a07c  No.839069

Egyptologists set the beginning of modern human civilization at 3500 years ago and they are adamant about that. To suggest advanced human society was around prior to that is utter heresy to them. You're shunned academically if you suggest such a thing.

Their reasoning is simple, an advanced society would have to rest upon thousands of years of pottery record as humans slowly evolved. If modern human society did exist from before 3500, the pottery record would prove it. According to them.

However, advanced human society has existed for a minimum of 10,000 years and that's been proven recently with the discovery of Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, which has been officially dated at 10k+ years old and proves man had acquired a much higher level of technology much sooner than is expected(pic related). A geologist named Robert Shoch has proven that the Sphinx is a minimum of 10k years old. The Sphinx is heavily damaged by falling rain and the Sahara hasn't been a rain forest in 10k years and there hasn't been enough rainfall then to make that kind of damage. Anyone with even basic understanding of geology can look at it and see that Shock's argument is indisputable.

The pyramid and sphinx were built as a magical ritual-

>…we have demonstrated with a substantial body of evidence that the pattern of stars that is "frozen" on the ground at Giza in the form of the three pyramids and the Sphinx represents the disposition of the constellations of Orion and Leo as they looked at the moment of sunrise on the spring equinox during the astronomical "Age of Leo" (i.e., the epoch in which the Sun was "housed" by Leo on the spring equinox.) Like all precessional ages this was a 2,160-year period. It is generally calculated to have fallen between the Gregorian calendar dates of 10,970 and 8810 BC.

But anyway, we weren't supposed to have evolved into modern human society for another 7k years. However, scientists make a grave error in estimating our age- Scientists theorize that there is no God, so mankind slowly evolved into a modern state over a long period of time by discovery everything himself. However the archaeological record shows that it happened quickly, so mankind didn't slowly discover technology, it was given to them.

Humans had an advanced society, but then it disappeared. A global flood was caused by plasma bursts from the sun knocking the planet slightly off axis (23.4 degrees, or 90-66.6) and melting the ice caps quickly. And there's no controversy in the ancient world over whether the flood happened. Over 200 different societies from all over the world have some version of the flood of Noah. Given the widespread distribution of the story suggests they all lived through it.

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6670fe  No.839076

>>839069

They'll budge eventually. You can't deny the physical evidence of Gobekli Tepe. The main problem with egyptology is just simple shortsighted greed. They've all invested in a particular timeline and view and have built academic careers and written books through that lens. No individual "senior" scholar is willing to admit a thing, because it destroys their personal credibility. They're that petty. It'll be their students, who haven't invested as much.

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c4a07c  No.839087

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>>839076

The archaeological record shows that humanity didn't slowly acquire the technology to form modern societies, but that the knowledge was acquired quickly. So the question is, who gave man technology?

Book of Enoch 8:1-9

>1. Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.

>2. Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.

>3. Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:

>4. Armers taught the solution of sorcery;

>5. Barkayal taught the observers of the stars;

>6. Akibeel taught signs;

>7. Tamiel taught astronomy;

>8. And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon.

>9. And men, being destroyed, cried out; and their voice reached to heaven.

In ancient Sumeria they called the fallen angels the Anunaki and according to the book of Enoch, the Sons of God had white skin blonde hair and blue eyes. These mysterious blue eyed people are recorded in primitive societies all around the world (pic related). There are also primitive carvings from all over the world showing these people holding a bag (pics related).

Prior to the flood of Noah, the fallen angels ruled the earth directly. They interbred with humans and created a race of giants.

>Amos 2:9-10 Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was as strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit above and his roots beneath. Also it was I who brought you up from the land of Egypt, and led you forty years through the wilderness, to possess the land of the Amorite

>Book Of Enoch 7:9-11 These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them. (6)

>10 Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

>11 And the women conceiving brought forth giants, (7)

Josephus even writes of these giants in Antiquities of the Jews-

>5.2.3, “For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men.”

The fallen angels also interbred with animals, creating hybrid species. This is what the story of Atlantis talks about. Occultists believe that Atlantis was an island of doctor Moreau where the fallen angels conducted genetic experiments on humans and animals.

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c4a07c  No.839088

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>>839087

A big part of the reason for the flood of Noah was to wipe out the hybrid species the fallen angels had created. And the fallen angels were bound and locked into caves deep under the earth

Book of Enoch 10:7-9

>6 Again the Lord said to Raphael, Bind Azazyel hand and foot; cast him into darkness; and opening the desert which is in Dudael, cast him in there.

>7 Throw upon him hurled and pointed stones, covering him with darkness;

>8 There shall he remain for ever; cover his face, that he may not see the light.

>9 And in the great day of judgment let him be cast into the fire.

Mankind had already been taught sorcery and all manner of evil so we were able to contact these demons and so they maintained their rule over the earth, ruling vicariously through evil men. These rulers may not even be men. They could be the offspring of the fallen angels that avoided death when the flood happened, This is why David Icke claims they are reptilian, because there is something non-human about them. Even today the elite are referred to as cave dwellers (pic related)

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c4a07c  No.839092

The rulers of our planet have all made blasphemous oaths and committed acts of evil to attain their position of power, like the fallen angels did before they rebelled against God.

Book of Enoch 7:2-6

>2. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

>3. Then their leader Samyaza said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise;

>4. And that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime.

>5. But they answered him and said; We all swear;

>6. And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking.

This is why Jesus commanded Christians to swear no oaths

>Matthew 5:33–37 “I say to you, ‘Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King’”.

>James 5:12 But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath; but your yes is to be yes, and your no, no, so that you may not fall under judgment.

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157a73  No.839093

>>839087

Technology doesn't have to be given if the first human societies had 100+IQ and did not come from monky.

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c4a07c  No.839112

>>839093

>Technology doesn't have to be given if the first human societies had 100+IQ and did not come from monky.

It doesn't have to be, but the timeline shows that it was. A long, slow period of social evolution would have left evidence behind. That evidence doesn't exist. Humans suddenly became technological in a way that indicates the technology was given to us. The bible, book of enoch and a lot of early stone carvings, etc. all point to a race of beings that brought technology to humanity.

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157a73  No.839115

>>839112

I don't believe it would take too long to invent pouches or huts. See how fast Adam and Eve invented clothes and barracks by themselves.

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162e2e  No.839122

>>839092

The Bible’s very clear that after the flood no one was left but Noah, his wife, and Noah’s sons and their wives, only eight people. They were righteous people and didn’t know any sorcery or how to speak to demons. Yet mankind learned again without any manuscripts or information on the matter. You can’t reason your way out of believing the lies you believe because the book of Enoch is blinding you. The fallen angels left their physical bodies as easily as they took them. They left and tried to go back to heaven but no place was found for them anymore because of their sins. They remained in heaven though, as outcasts. Granted I don’t know which part of heaven they occupied but the book of Job is clear about satan being able to walk into the presence of God and negotiate with Him. Later on in revelations it talks about a war that saw all fallen angels cast down from heaven, which means they occupied some part of the heavens till their expulsion. They were always coming back and teaching people sorceries. They were not bound like the book of Enoch says they were.

There was also the time where Jesus commanded “legion” to leave a possessed man and they left him and entered swine and ran them off a cliff into the sea. Before they left the man they asked Jesus, “Are you here to punish us before our day of judgment?”

These fallen angels were never bound. The book of Enoch is a Lie meant to mimic Bible language and sound true. You’ve fallen for a clever lie.

These monuments depict nothing but a purse. Essentially depicting gifts that these fallen angels bring with them. Even in the book of Enoch it doesn’t just say the fallen angels taught sorcery. They also taught the smoldering of stones into metals, they taught mankind things that they would’ve learned over time anyway, which is how fallen angels work, they teach mankind things that they would’ve naturally learned in due time, aside from the sorceries. This has also been going on till today. These demons have never been bound. God has simply thrown them out of heaven, out from his glory.

The Bible has been teaching for ages that civilization existed way before Egypt. But the book of Enoch was never a part of the Bible, not because it was removed, but because it was a forgery associated with bible text because it was meant to mislead. It’s a clever lie. In fact it’s funny how most everything it says demons have taught mankind Enoch is being taught as well by an angel supposedly. Writings, astronomy, the motions of the sun and moon…etc. Enoch learns all these things because an archangel is teaching him through visions.

You need to read books more carefully, you need to not get so exited and wide-eyed at the notion of a “hidden book”. You’ve gobbled up the book of Enoch spiritually, in order to believe the book of Enoch one has to disbelieve many of the books of the Bible. If you read Enoch carefully this would’ve been obvious to you.

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162e2e  No.839123

>>839112

The timeline is flawed because carbon dating is seriously flawed. As well as the dates of history. The science was never perfect from the start. That same carbon dating science was used to try and legitimized evolution. These years are based on false science. Civilizations kept different calendars. The book of Enoch has to be believed by you for you to believe time is what it is, and that these civilizations kept the same time structure. Each one of these civilizations kept different views on how to measure time. So one has to default to carbon dating, which is seriously flawed. Scientists get different readings on carbon dating depending on the environment the item in question is found in. You are mixing modern science and the book of Enoch and myths and weak theories in order to sound like you’ve learned something. Granted modern science is false on many things, that much you are correct in.

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c4a07c  No.839138

>>839115

>I don't believe it would take too long to invent pouches or huts.

Yeah, me neither. However, we're talking about monoliths. People shaping and moving rocks that weigh 20-100 tons each, and building megalithic structures that show they had an understanding of geometry and the movement of the stars.

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162e2e  No.839139

>>839138

You are most likely correct in assuming such knowledge was given to them, what your wrong about is the book of Enoch, it’s authenticity to be exact. The Bible has enough information for one to know that much about the nephalim and the fallen angels. These nephalim could’ve moved those stones depending on how they were treated by their “fathers”. But the book of Enoch is a summary of information found in the Bible with assumptions and lies mixed in it.

As far as technology goes, that word has a different meaning today. Some believe people of those days had computers and aircrafts. I see how your using that word and I guess you are using it correctly if your talking about geometry and mathematics. But you give too much credit to the book of Enoch and you throw out the massive contradictions found in it. In fact it’s guiding your rationality. It’s gonna be hard to convince you otherwise, since you see it as the glue that holds your view of this matter together. You need to be able to answer all the contradictions in it before you use it as your foundation. There are many contradictions. You don’t want to end up like the scholars that invested so much time in a lie, then try to back up that lie because they have so much riding on it.

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162e2e  No.839140

>>839069

>The Sphinx is heavily damaged by falling rain and the Sahara hasn't been a rain forest in 10k years and there hasn't been enough rainfall then to make that kind of damage.

Scientists do not take into account the plagues that ravished Egypt in Moses’ time. Hail mingled with flame was one of the plagues. As well as other factors that would’ve effected carbon-dating and similar forms of measurement. I have heard many theories on the pyramids. And I have a few of my own. So I guess I should be a little more open when it comes to this topic. I’ll try my best to keep my opinions of the Book of Enoch bottled up. I’ve talked enough about it anyway and I’ll try to not talk more about it at least today. Also there is some evidence that the great pyramid of Giza was built before the flood, the flood would also explain water damage if that were true. But this topic relies heavily on speculations. While we’re speculating we can talk about the more fringe opinions as well. But that is up to you.

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e7af5f  No.839153

>>839140

>As well as other factors that would’ve effected carbon-dating and similar forms of measurement

Oh, for crying out loud.

Cabon dating is used for organic stuff, not stones or fossils(which are mineralized bones).

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162e2e  No.839156

>>839153

>and similar forms of measurement.

I was talking about the science of dating things as a whole. I’ll try to be more clear next time.

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162e2e  No.839157

>>839153

Keep in mind they are using the same science methods that tried to push evolution. It’s going to be very difficult to even prove anything they say about the dates. There are too many variables and I don’t think anyone can trust anything they say as far as dates go. But i get it, if you are to doubt that then what conversation can you really have on the topic? It isn’t a perfect science to date these things. It’s far from perfect actually. It’s important for people to believe the science is sound, when it’s not.

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162e2e  No.839159

>>839069

>Over 200 different societies from all over the world have some version of the flood of Noah. Given the widespread distribution of the story suggests they all lived through it.

No, it suggests Noah’s seed multiplied and each generation gave the story onto another and over time became twisted but the flood account stayed consistent. No one lived through the flood but Noah and his family.

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162e2e  No.839162

My question to Op is if your going to throw out the Bible account to how many years civilization has existed from Adam down to Jesus then why believe the science your referring to anyway?

http://hisemissary.com/time.html

This is a site that gives you a quick idea to how many years passed from Adam to Jesus. It’s not perfect but it’s good enough for the point I’m trying to make. It’s accurate, give or take take 100-200 years. But this site leans better in your favor.

Now, if your not going to take the Bible seriously then you have to forget the book of Enoch as well because without the Bible the book of Enoch is just a random book.

The archaeological find you are so amazed at is believed by you to be 10000 years old. That’s a huge gap in the timeline. That’s about 3700 more years in the history of civilization than the Bible is willing to back up. If your going to believe this find then you are going to have to abandon the Bible. And if you do that then the book of Enoch is useless to you, since you believe it to be an extension of the Bible. Your beliefs are clashing, like always. Sorry, I’m truly trying to not sound like a turd but it’s very hard to reason with you because you should’ve checked your research better.

Or you can just not trust the science at all. I doubt a Muslim country like turkey is going to let archaeologists prove the Bible correct anyway, and if you don’t believe politics comes into play during these finds you are very naive. It’s all politics.

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e7af5f  No.839163

>>839156

So, what's your critique of modern radiometric dating, or molecular clocks?

>>839157

People didn't use carbon dating to prove dinosaurs and stuff, because again, you are dating rocks, not bones.

It's like creationism hasn't advanced their rhetoric since the early half of the 20th century.

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162e2e  No.839164

>>839163

I’ll admit I don’t know enough about those methods to comment on them. What I know best is that they are always wrong. They never come close to biblical dates, I don’t say that because the Bible absolutely must be correct, but because science is being proven wrong every year. They either go too short of the Bible dates or too far from them. And they are sure of their numbers every time. And many believe the science as blindly as many believe religion. Science has failed too many times for rational people to take seriously anymore. At this point, if science gives a date, one has to be a stupid fool to even believe them.

And the Bible has been proven correct through archaeological finds several times. Look up sodom and Gomorrah and the sulfur that they have found in the region that used to be that city. The discovery of Noah’s ark is kept a secret as well. The mountain the Jews came to and sinned against God after crossing the Red Sea exists as well with carvings depicting what happened there, as well as remains of Egyptian chariots covered in coral underneath the real location of the section of the Red Sea the Jews crossed. All of these locations are in Muslim lands today. There are plenty of people that have ventured to these locations and many have blew the whistle on what they have found, but the mainstream media never picks up on it. As well as nephalim remains.

Science is a cult. Its dead. We are fed lies every day, since our first day of indoctrination in government schools. You call me a creationist, well sir, I have more reason to believe in a God than you do for believing in men that “find” whatever they are paid to find. They find things then create a scientific lie to explain what they want you to believe your seeing. Any lie is good enough for them as long as it’s not the truth. If you haven’t noticed this yet, while in the internet age, no one can help you.

I’ve been in a point in my life where I doubted the Bible, I’ve considered sciences view on these matters. Science is just as intolerant of critical thinking as any cult is. There is no difference. You can’t escape this fact. Science is a sham, every 20 years it’s proven wrong miserably, but the Bible accounts on history are being proven correct with every find. It’s not that your too stupid to see this, Your smart, smart enough to know that once you realize what I’m saying your world would be turned upside down and you will go though a mental crisis that you do not know how to navigate. This scares you, deeply.

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f30ffb  No.839166

The entire world is not as old as 10,000 years, OP

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c4a07c  No.839186

>>839166

it's a lot older. I think there were protohumanoid species around for a long time before Adam and Eve, but that's just my opinion.

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213d9e  No.839191

>>839186

How do you attempt to square that with Genesis 1-3

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c4a07c  No.839192

>>839191

The bible uses the term "day" to mean a period of time, not just a literal day.

>Genesis 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

However, though that is the case, it may not apply here. It sounds like Genesis 1:5 is using the term "day" to literally mean one day, not just a period of time

>5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

But at this point God had still not created the sun and the stars. It wasn't until Genesis 1:14 that he created all that

> Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

So who knows how long a day was during the time God created the earth? I haven't made up my mind yet and I'm open to it them being literal 24 hr days or periods of undetermined length. I lean toward the latter because of all the physical evidence suggesting the earth is a lot older than 5k years.

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157a73  No.839194

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>>839192

>So who knows how long a day was during the time God created the earth?

Old bait

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213d9e  No.839196

>>839192

This isn't strictly a yec issue, you've postulated that there were men before God created Adam which is not compatible with the text

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f30ffb  No.839207

>>839192

>The bible uses the term "day" to mean a period of time, not just a literal day.

Genesis 1 defines a day as a period of time from sunrise to sunrise

<And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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56db6b  No.839240

>>839207

Yes, and furthermore in Exodus 20:11 the Bible equates the "days" of the six day creation with the "day" of the sabbath.

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c4a07c  No.839251

>>839207

>>839196

>>This isn't strictly a yec issue, you've postulated that there were men before God created Adam which is not compatible with the text

Not everything that walks on two legs is a man. We are in God's image because God has granted mankind his creative powers. Aside from that, there were cities and other humans at the time of Adam and Eve. Where did they come from? I think the bible indicates there are human-like animals that aren't man.

>Genesis 1 defines a day as a period of time from sunrise to sunrise

The light and the dark were created before the sun. He defined a period of dark followed by a period of light as a day but before he created the sun we don't know what the duration of those periods were. And since they existed before the sun and the stars, moses may not have been talking about light literally, he may have been talking about creation and destruction. It's possible he was talking about the replenishment and devastation of the planet 7 times during the period of creation. That would explain Genesis 1:28

>“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth … .”

replenish means the renewal of something that had been destroyed, not creating something from scratch. However, I'm not laying out any doctrine here because I'm unsure about all this. I'm just exploring the possibilities.

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f30ffb  No.839270

>>839251

>He defined a period of dark followed by a period of light as a day but before he created the sun we don't know what the duration of those periods were

Please. What a joke. This is an arbitrary interpretation. Stop coming up with ways to get around the clear meaning of scripture and learn to just accept it

>And since they existed before the sun and the stars, moses may not have been talking about light literally, he may have been talking about creation and destruction. It's possible he was talking about the replenishment and devastation of the planet 7 times during the period of creation

I am separating this from the other sentence because I wanted it to be clear that they are individually and separately egregious. My complaint is mostly the same as above, except this is also esoteric garbage

>replenish means the renewal of something that had been destroyed, not creating something from scratch

The word doesn't actually mean replenish, it simply means fill.

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213d9e  No.839275

>>839251

So you're arguing that man evolved from a different kind of creature, which contradicts the creation account of man from dust and woman from the rib.

You're a modernist.

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c2eee3  No.839309

Dinosaurs are the races of the fallen angels that bred with man

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c4a07c  No.839311

>>839275

>So you're arguing that man evolved from a different kind of creature

I don't know where you got that idea, but it wasn't from anything I said. I said that there are humanoid species that may look like men but aren't.

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c4a07c  No.839312

>>839270

if you're a Christian then you should stop acting like a belligerent d—head when someone doesn't have the same perception as you. What do you think God would notice more- that your view is correct or that you're acting like an asshole?

We have a ton of non-christians here whose only goal is to start arguments and vent their hostility. If you're not one of them then don't act like them.

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f30ffb  No.839315

>>839312

Don't be such a child

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