/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>838389

>Why do you need a stupid piece of paper from the government to say you're married?

There's your sin right there. Not even coming before God in the first place for marriage. All you can think of is yourself or government.

You don't need a paper from the government. You need to declare your marriage before God and everybody.

It's not modern.

Anything not done in faith is sin.

>>838389

>If you are in a monogamous relationship but haven't been formally married yet are still having sex, is that really fornication?

Yes, oh and sodomy if you are doing blowjobs, anal, handjobs etc. This is actually the first step to becoming a reprobate, if you don’t acknowledge it to be sin.

>I mean it's not like you're committing adultery nor are you being promiscuous since you're in a monogomous relationship with that person, you basically are married.

Basically married isn’t marriage, God doesn’t let you keep one foot out the door.

>Why do you need a stupid piece of paper from the government to say you're married?

Irrelevant to God.

> Why do you have to go through a completely arbitrary and modern ceremony to be married?

It’s a sacrament, it’s not arbitrary it’s very important .

>If you are committed to that person then how is that any difference from marriage?

No ceremony, No vows under God.

>> Did Adam and Eve have to go through all that bulls—?

>They were married from the beginning, from when they became a single flesh.

>>838389

You don’t need that stupid piece of paper. You just pray to God with your spouse and declare that oath to Him and that’s that. The paper is BS. The ceremony is for people, it’s a public declaration of that oath so you can’t say you never made it. God sees us all and to Him you are considered married the moment you consummate that marriage. Piece of paper by what church? By the city? The government that lets homosexuals marry? Are we really going to believe that God looks at the documents of such governments and then decides if your married? Your yes is suppose to mean yes and no is suppose to mean no. An oath privately done to God is realer than any paper or oath done in front of people. Your logic is crying out for you to except it’s existence OP, in this case you are right for calling it a stupid piece of paper. But if you haven’t made that oath with your spouse to your Father in Heaven, do it today, and never act like you never made that oath.

>>838395

You are wrong on everything. Listen to yourself. Ceremonies conducted by who? Men?

Sodomy? When was homosexuality ever mentioned?

>>838398

Sodomy isn’t just homosexuality.

Baptism is done by man? Why would a wedding ceremony be any different?

>>838399

Baptism is done by any Christian. Not just priests. That’s one of the ways it’s different. And when the Bible talks of sodomy it only talks of homosexuality. Not anal sex or oral sex or handjobs. Just because gays use those methods for sex does not mean a married man and wife can not. What you said is just another misunderstanding pushed by false churches. Those rules were created by men for crooked reasons. Any sexual act between a married man and woman is allowed by God. Any sexual act.

>>838395

>Basically married isn’t marriage, God doesn’t let you keep one foot out the door.

Yes it is. The persons are married because the Bible says so. I don't need to go through a ceremony or have it recognized by the government, we can declare it before God ourselves.

>It’s a sacrament, it’s not arbitrary it’s very important .

I am saying what men do is arbitrary, marriage isn't decided by men, it's decided by God.

>No ceremony, No vows under God.

We can make vows to God ourselves. Christians are followers of natural law not the laws of men. Natural law stipulates that one man and one woman become married when they are one flesh. And if we're committed to each other and love each and don't commit adultery, then I don't see a sin.

>>838403

AMEN

>>838401

OP isn’t married all sexual acts are sin period.

No one mentioned priests, what are you trying to argue exactly?

>>83840

If you read my reply to you I said you don’t have to justify it under the authority of the Government. But you do need witnesses to testify for your marriage.

Also marriage isn’t a simple. Sex isn’t a simple thing.

Tell me anon, what happens if you divorce? Would you claim she was just a girlfriend and find another wife (girlfriend) Or would you let her be the only wife?

Do you got to Church anon? I have a feeling you don’t.

>>838406

Op has consummated his marriage. In the eyes of God he is married, but that oath is very important and I’m sure God is waiting for it but at the same time holding off His judgments.

Churches are just nano-governments. They do not hold the power for God, as much as they like to believe they do. You say no one mentioned priests but whose president over the ceremony? Some man is for sure. You say you need witnesses, well that’s your problem in reasoning. God witnesses the oath and the angels as well. Men and paperwork are only useful for non-spiritual people who lie all the time. God sees the oath in private and will punish you for breaking it. Man can’t do a thing to you for breaking it. If you break that oath with God and divorce, you are in for some personal hell that will last for God knows how long. You rely on men for marriage. You rely on men to exercise God’s punishments. Is your God your church?

And if I believe in God I’ll never break my oaths to Him, as if it has no consequences. And no I don’t go to “church”, churches always fill the heads of it’s members with lies like the ones you’ve shared with us today. I get together with at least one other Christian and we pray and discuss God in our lives and scripture, most importantly, the discussions we have with the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is right there beside us when we do. Where there are two people who pray to God and come together, there Christ is to educate and provide more direction, that’s our worship. That’s my church.

>>838409

My friend and brother, I hope you know I am not advocating power of Man, or Mans authority.

I also hope you have a church, a place of assembly! I can not teach nor show you the way I practice over usage of the internet.

But pray I ask, do you have a church? A place of assembly? I fear for us, if we become lone flames in this night, if we do not gather as we are told, we we fall away from the faith.

>>838414

I appreciate your concern, I do not say that with any sarcasm. I’ve been a part of a church before and I will never again walk in one, ever. My mother was Orthodox before a Jehovah’s Witness. I left because I learned they were Destroying my reputation, I learned they were a cult afterwards.

Trust me, brother, this flame is safer where it stands. There’s always a snake with a bucket of water hiding among the higher ranks of every church, every church. This flame I have was kept alive by the Holy Spirit and will never die out so long as I keep my guard up.

You believe in many lies that I’ve debunked on my journey, and you don’t know yet but you are pouring out a cup of water on this board filled by that high snake in your church. You may not see that your beliefs are wrong but I assure you they are in this particular case.

The problem with merging your flame with the flames of others in your church is they overpower your flame and lead it toward an unrighteous path. You end up with no voice and no choice. You end up with one man telling everyone how powerful their flame is allowed to be and it’s proper purpose. I’m nothing in a church, but alone, I dine and converse with Christ. Me being in a church would only aid others and destroy me. Wolves will steal my flame and use it for their own purposes. Wolves will leave me no choice but to accept them as my head or suffer the destruction of my reputation, like the ones in my old cult did.

I know how churches work. First you get love bombed and told you are loved. Then you become family and give up your independence from men. Then they threaten to take away your friends and family if you don’t shut up and eat what the leader gives you and when he tells you you must eat it. God help you if you fall in love during that time! Don’t worry about my flame, brother. I guard it more carefully then you do yours. Spiritual socialism is not in my plans. I own this flame, it’s mine. I rather share it with friends than pool it in a church full of strangers that will stab me in the back once they have it.

>>838419

My friend, I go to a baptist church, My experience is not the same as yours! I am sorry for you, I am sorry that this experiences have destroyed your will to immerse your self into a local Christian flock.

Anon, we are commanded to assemble together under God. I hope you know this, I hope you pray about this.

Hebrews 10:25

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

>>838406

OP is speaking hypothetically to be fair

>>838422

I’m sorry but Christ said, “where two people gather in my name there I am also”. This is the definition of a church, this is what it means to partake in the body of Christ.

If I ever find myself in a church, I assure you, it will be a church I build and one I am the pastor of, and as pastor I will allow God to guide the church. I will never listen to the voice of another man or eat what spiritual food he has prepared for the assembly. I will not turn my back on the bitter lesson I have learned that I barely survived. I have the voice of the Holy Spirit guiding me and Christ as my King and my Father watching over me from Heaven, watching over me and guiding me and educating me. There is nothing people can add to me but several things I can help them with. I will not kneel to men. I have a habit of attracting bullies and destroying churches because they are often lead by bullies.

To be a part of a church one has to feel safe among men. That is not how churches work, churches have devices built in to destroy any opposition by calling that opposition “of satan”. And they use whatever scripture out of context they must to destroy innocent questioning. In fact, I disagree with you on some things, if I was a part of your church I would be given a choice to yield or be ostracized. We all must do what we feel God is telling us to do, and He’s the one that told me to never trust any church.

Sorry brother, you’ll never find me in one. The condition of the brotherhood of Christians is the same anywhere you go. As a virgin man I would never be a part of a church and open myself up to marrying any of your daughters because of what I have learned about all of you fathers and how you raise them. I would never open myself up to the control you exercise over married couples. I would never open myself up to any single danger your members are in denial about. I will never trust my children with your children at any barbecue or potluck. So you see I have no future with you people because all my trust in the body of Christ has been stripped from me. I rather experience the death of my dreams and have them resurrected later by God than experience the unressurectable death of my dreams by having them torn apart by “brothers”.

I have all the power now. I will never give up a single ounce of it. But I appreciate your concern. I’m a free man in Christ and I will continue to be. Woe to the fools who actually let their guards down and sheathed their swords and enter churches. Woe to those who believe God is found only in churches. Woe to those who the Holy Spirit says do one thing and they listen to their pastors and do another. May God protect us all from the devices of snakes, but since we don’t know what He’ll allow us to go through, we must not trust men.

>>838425

>where two people gather in my name there I am also”

Not "two people". Two of his followers. In his name. Not degenerates boinking each other and defying what he told you in the first place about lust.

Why do you people want to be so unteachable? You only have a little time left on earth. You can't bring up these stupid defenses to the Almighty. Repent already. It will not be worth it if you don't. You've already gotten enough warnings.

>>838432

I’m covered. Thank you. Christians are followers of Christ. I never took that to mean any person anyway. You think I’m being unteachable but you were gullible and are holding on to a teaching that someone else taught you, not what you learned through the Holy Spirit. I know what little time we have. I have no fear of what’s coming. I wish it would come sooner. Do you honestly think you care more about me than I do? Then Christ does? He would’ve told me to go to a specific church if He wanted to. I speak with Him. I’m richer than you. Worry about yourself. Just because I know something you don’t does not mean I’m unteachable.

>>838433

>I’m covered. Thank you. Christians are followers of Christ. I never took that to mean any person anyway. You think I’m being unteachable but you were gullible and are holding on to a teaching that someone else taught you, not what you learned through the Holy Spirit. I know what little time we have. I have no fear of what’s coming. I wish it would come sooner. Do you honestly think you care more about me than I do? Then Christ does? He would’ve told me to go to a specific church if He wanted to. I speak with Him. I’m richer than you. Worry about yourself. Just because I know something you don’t does not mean I’m unteachable.

What is this? Thinking you have the Holy Spirit, but then denying what Christ told you about lust? Or what the Apostles told you about what happens to fornicators? You sound like Marianne Williamson or something and not a Christian. That is, one of those new agers who thinks they have the "Christ mind" while denying everything about the very Christ in the scriptures and your only frame of reference for who Christ is.. Nor did the Holy Spirit teach you to avoid the scriptures. He has told every blessed follower from Justin Martyr to now to "take and read". I'm happy to count myself among them. Nor was I raised with any of this. I was raised in a Buddhist household, funnily. No one "taught" me this, other than Christ in the scriptures. You don't know anything about me.

>>838435

>Thinking you have the Holy Spirit, but then denying what Christ told you about lust? Or what the Apostles told you about what happens to fornicators?

Fornication is the physical act of having sex before marriage. Not the sex you have in your mind. Not masturbation. Fornication is also homosexuality as well as other things God has never allowed. Adultery is the act of fornicating while married.

Pornography is a weakness of mine, an imperfection, it’s not fornication, it’s fornication in the heart/mind. As imperfect beings we all sin in our minds. Wether it’s murder, fornication, etc. we all do something in our minds. I am aware of Jesus’ words, you are ignoring the last part of it that says, “in his heart”. Doing things in your heart is the definition of imperfection. Doing things in real life is the actual sin. None of us where promised perfection and none have ever been able to obtain it. If you don’t fornicate in your mind then you certainly do other things. For our imperfections there is forgiveness through the blood of Jesus. For real sins (fornication, idolatry, murder) forgiveness is up to God to decide. I have never broken these three sins I mentioned.

>You sound like Marianne Williamson or something and not a Christian. That is, one of those new agers who thinks they have the "Christ mind" while denying everything about the very Christ in the scriptures and your only frame of reference for who Christ is..

I’ve never heard of this woman.

>Nor did the Holy Spirit teach you to avoid the scriptures. He has told every blessed follower from Justin Martyr to now to "take and read". I'm happy to count myself among them. Nor was I raised with any of this. I was raised in a Buddhist household, funnily. No one "taught" me this, other than Christ in the scriptures. You don't know anything about me.

I never said I knew you. But Some of what you believe is obvious to me.

You read the scriptures at face value. You don’t reason or ask yourself how it all applies. You don’t pay attention to what you read, this I know for sure. There is a much deeper understanding of the Bible that the Holy Spirit is only able to deliver. The Bible has been manipulated by men through bad translations and deletions of books, chapters, Scriptures, etc. You grew up in a non-Christian household and you haven’t been burned by Christians yet. You haven’t realized that Christ’s words are different than many of what the apostles are recommending. You think church means a building and a coming together with many people, this is not the case. You think I’m being arrogant but I’m not. You don’t know the definitions and have not figured things out. If you had you wouldn’t be telling me I’m a slave to lust. Lust is the chasing after “flesh” not images of flesh that overcome a Christian at times. Lust is the inability to not have physical sex or engage in loose conduct or sexual acts. You haven’t understood anything. Your the arrogant one. I’ve been reading the Bible since I was able to read. I don’t say this out of arrogance but you need to understand it’s a very misinterpreted book. Many of what the apostles are saying is not the way Christ wanted things to be, but it was simply the best the apostles could do. The apostles were imperfect as well. The Bible is not inerrant either. You’re very judgmental about things you don’t know the definitions to. Do you expect me to believe you came to these misunderstandings naturally? No, you were taught them and refused to ask the deeper questions.

>>838436

There where 11 apostles left when Christ died. We only have 4 accounts. Why do you think that is?

You are like a newly baptized Christian who thinks they know everything and won’t shut up about their faith. Maybe you Just got in. But your old personality is showing, “brother”. You assume too much about yourself. And the Holy Spirit is a female, God’s wife who God conceived Jesus with before creation ever began by Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not a male, or the virgin marry like many believe. The Holy Spirit is Mother. The Bible’s been manipulated to make Her a Male figure. You just ate it up and never questioned how God can have a son without a wife to create Jesus from. True Christians hear from the Holy Spirit. Fake Christians ignore the voice and only read a book. That book is not enough at some point. That doesn’t mean it’s useless, it’s all we have as far as a beginners guide goes.

>>838439

I agree with most of your words. But why does The Holy Spirit have a sex/gender

>>838459

I don't know why this dude has not been banned. He does not even pretend to follow the Nicene Creed.

His low IQ namefagging is annoying.

>>838459

They all have a gender. Every being in heaven. The Holy Spirit is a female. What many people know as a trinity is really just a Father a Mother and a Son. The trinity is a family. The original family. Once this is accepted it simplifies everything and makes it all understandable. They are not one body but one blood.

>>838535

The holy ghost is described as a male in the New and Old Testament

>>838571

I know it is but that’s a manipulation, the apocrypha book “wisdom of Solomon describes it as female, and by God’s side by the throne.

By marking her a male, Christianity watered down the important role of marriage and made it something that only imperfect men want to enjoy. But God has a wife. That is why all animals and life are brought forth by a male and female. God created everything in the garden of eden as things were in heaven. God wanted all to enjoy the happiness he enjoys. Let me repost that apocrypha book.

>>838535

Blasphemy

Get out pagan

wisdom isn’t the holy spirit.

>>838584

I’ve been told many times to leave. I’m not feeling compelled to. If I am a demon then you are too weak of a Christian to compel this demon to leave. Maybe you should fast a little and pray and see if that helps. If it doesn’t then you need to accept I am of the Lord Jesus Christ and you can not banish me from this platform.

Stop half-a$$ing this exorcism, fast then pray, pray then fast. Then come here again and give it a shot.

>>838587

Keep reading, Solomon identifies Wisdom as the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit educates a Christian by granting him/her wisdom. Wisdom and the Holy Spirit play the same role. This is an old King James Bible back when bibles came with the apocrypha section. It’s one of the best books I’ve ever read that I believe whole heartedly as an authentic book of the Bible. But that is up to you to believe or not. If you have gone through a trial by fire from God himself, you will recognize it’s authenticity. There are things in here I heard from the Holy Spirit first and I was astonished at what I was reading.

>>838588

Look your very confused about things, Im not telling you to leave but The Holy Spirit is not called the A female in the Book of Solomon, that is wisdom, who is not the Holy Spirit.

>>838590

No. In the time of Solomons writings only One person at a time is ever granted to be the host of the Holy Spirit. Only After Christ is when the Holy Spirit enters all.

>>838591

Keep reading, it identifies wisdom as the Holy Spirit, if you don’t want to read it it’s ok, don’t. I know your a friendly anon. I’m not offended if you don’t believe me, it ok anon. I respect whatever you decide, I can see you are peaceful about it.

>>838593

I did read it. It does not say as you say it does, It calls the spirit of wisdom a female, which is distinct from the holy spirit.

>>838592

I can’t really disagree with this statement. But it’s the first I’m hearing of it. I’ll remember it and see it f I come across it again.

>>838594

You read all of it? That fast? Ok let me point out the section to you. Give me a moment.

>>838594

Chapter 9, verse 17.

>>838598

I see that, And I’ll give you credit your reading of it makes sense, but The author clearly separates the two in that very passage.

>>838604

Thank you anon, I am not the one thinking it’s a her, but This is good scripture as a nice rebuttal! You are awesome!

>>838601

The author, is talking about them being one. Before that point it talks of wisdom being “Holy” and “a spirit” only sent by God. At that verse it straight up calls her the “Holy Spirit”. If you take into consideration the context, which is very clear, you’ll see it’s talking about the same spirit. Read it with focus and don’t rush, there is no other explanation of it. Pray before you start reading it. And read it from the beginning so you can understand the role “wisdom” is playing, it’s personality, and where it sits in heaven. It becomes very clear. I promise you it’s not going to be a waste of your time, and if I’m being deceitful may all negative effect and punishments come on my head alone. If you read it carefully, you’ll wish the book was longer.

Also, towards the end, it explains the angel that killed all of Egypt’s firstborn as an angel who’s head touched the heavens and feet were upon the earth. The same being that revelation describes at the 7th trumpet. This being’s role is to deliver the final judgments of God, just another gem in this book, but off topic.

>>838607

I’m aware of this scripture, I’m sorry but I’m convinced it’s been mistranslated purposefully. I’ve known of this scripture from the start of this journey.

I’m not being difficult here, as much as it may seem I am. But the Holy Spirit being a male throws Christianity into a confusing state. Many don’t question it because they believe they are not allowed to and they also can’t believe that the Bible’s been tampered with. But if you read the Bible properly, it’s tampering is obvious. This is hard for many to accept because they have been taught to see it as a lack of faith. It doesn’t mean I lack faith. I lack faith in man not God. Originally these verses had it as a female, God gave us the truth, but men manipulated it and now anyone suspicious of men are bashed as people who don’t trust God. God creates all things on earth as they are in heaven. That is why families are only created through a male and female and no other way exists. No man can be a father without a wife to conceive a child with. No child only has a father. “The Son” has a “Mother”, “The Father” has a “Wife”. Life is created through no other means.

>>838613

>That is why families are only created through a male and female and no other way exists.

The eternal begetting of the Son and procession of the Spirit from the Father cannot be aprehended from observing. Even if it could, your self-made tradition contradicts itself when it implies Christ came into the flesh with two mothers.

>>838633

It wasn’t two mothers. The original mother, “the Holy Spirit” transferred the soul of Christ into the surrogate that was Marry. Marry was a virgin, therefore Jesus was not of Joseph. But the physical body of Jesus on earth was from marry. Mary and Joseph were adoptive parents. The physical connection that God used to Buy back mankind from sin and once again make it the property of God.

>>838633

>The eternal begetting of the Son and procession of the Spirit from the Father cannot be aprehended from observing.

Yes it can. Many of the details of God’s personality can be apprehended by looking around us at the things he’s designed. Since God created all things as He has them designed in Heaven. God’s wisdom and way of life are found in many things. Some things show more of it than others. But the way life enters existence is the same across the board in all complex natural beasts. Every beast of the fields and birds and rodents, every animal, has both male and female. Even Adam noticed he was alone by looking at them, and he was right in his observation. He found wisdom observing the animals.

The argument that we can’t understand God’s ways is not eternally sound. We may not understand everything at once but we can learn many things by allowing God to teach us through his works.

>>838389

>If you are in a monogamous relationship but haven't been formally married yet are still having sex, is that really fornication?

yes.

>you basically are married.

No you aren't.

>Why do you need a stupid piece of paper from the government to say you're married?

Because that's how marriages are done in our society.

>Why do you have to go through a completely arbitrary and modern ceremony to be married?

you don't need to go through any ceremony, that's just custom. You can fill out some paperwork, get it signed by a official and you're married.

> If you are committed to that person then how is that any difference from marriage?

Because you aren't committed to that person. If you were you wouldn't be trying to avoid marriage to them.

>Did Adam and Eve have to go through all that bulls—?

Don't know what their customs were.

Admit the truth- you're addicted to sex and don't want to give it up so you're making excuses for why your degeneracy actually isn't sin.

>>838422

You probably didn't realize this but on the chans we despise namefags and we mute them.The reason for this rule is so that a person is judged solely by the content of their message and so that no cults of personality grow along with the evils and manipulation, childish cliques those things always entail. While you are here, you should respect our culture and our traditions.

The people that namefag are trolls that know they are violating the culture of our forum but do it because they are narcissists that adore themselves so much that they can't tolerate the idea of not being given credit for whatever they write. namefags a megalomaniacs. I blocked this ex brother namefag the first time he responded to a post of mine and you should do the same. Of course, if this rule bothers you then you can always go to reddit.

>>838681

Namefagging is a double edged sword. As you know, you can mute me. And since I’m namefagging, I can not hide behind anonymity and keep spreading any ideology that many of you here hate, without immediately identifying myself. And if I am a snake or liar one can see everything I’ve been saying and quickly see what I’m really made of. It’s very beneficial to you all and I’m not here to troll anyway. Neither am I hear to create cliques, maybe some of you have agreed with me before, that doesn’t mean you can’t show me attitude when you feel you must. If I annoy you then your free to tell me and can block my every word. If you agree with me, know that we’re not going to agree on everything anyway and your free to slap back. So you see it gives you power.

I’m the one that’s made uncomfortable by it the most. I want to be anonymous, and this is gonna piss many of you off even more, but the Holy Spirit told me to keep the name section filled. I know that sounds crazy. But because of it you are given many powers over anything I say and can tell immediately if whatever I say keeps changing or not, it gives you power and opens me up to more negativity than it does any of you.

Again, it’s a double-edged sword. And I’m sorry but God is telling me to namefag. A Christian board shouldn’t be expected to follow traditions of men, specially such a new tradition. Your traditions and board culture are things I want to respect but am not allowed to. Sorry, it must be very annoying, I can only imagine. But as long as I’m here I’m gonna namefag. The second you stop seeing this name you can also be sure I am no longer here. That’s also a bonus.