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>>837182

Angels are just creatures like you and I. You can no more turn into them as you could an aardvark. Even at the coming of Christ, his followers are promised a resurrection, just like his. That is, glorified material bodies - but the same kind of bodies that Thomas and Mary Magdalene were able to touch. Material reality is and will remain human destiny. It's the other way around for Angels. They have spirit as their essential nature, and have only presented themselves materially in temporary circumstances. While men dwell in spiritual form only in temporary circumstances.

>>837185

From death until the resurrection is potentially a long time though. And I'm kind of concerned about about only the rational part of the soul surviving during that time because isn't the sensual part of the soul required for conscience experience?

>Can humans turn into angels/demons?

Angels and humans are fundamentally different. When an angel wants to learn about something, they learn absolutely everything about that topic. It's possible for humans to spend years learning a topic however and still not know everything about it. One will not become the other, no. Fr. Ripperger has a nice video about this:

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=8WMjnJmgpn4

>Also is occultism as we know it just totally fake?

According to Catholic Exorcist Fr. Ripperger, absolutely not. He claims that originally, in the pornography industry, the producers would bring in occultists to place a curse on the master copy of a video of pornography. Then, when they reproduce the master copy, the curse is transferred to all of the future copies thereby negating the need to curse each and every copy. Fr. Ripperger talks of men who, after viewing a particular pornographic video, became obsessed with the actress although I cannot remember how Fr. Ripperger or the victim discerned that this obsession was in fact diabolical in nature. He touched upon it in one of the videos in the "Spiritual Warfare" playlist on the Sensus Fidelium YouTube Channel. You can find the playlist by simply searching "sensus fidelium spiritual warfare" on YouTube.

Supposedly, the music industry at some point started to adopt the practises of the porn industry with regards to cursing the master copy.

So yes, the underworld is real and sometimes Jesus allows people to get affected by it.

Demons are extremely legalistic and so when you start dabbling in the occult, start believing the teachings in those books, you give demons permission to have power over your life and Jesus will allow it.

If such issues were not serious, why would the Church laud St. Michael?

>OT law and Catholic law forbid it and most of those usually serve utilitarian ends

Why are you posting with the Roman Catholic flag when you're looking at the laws of the OT and Church through this secular, utilitarian lens? It's like you have no faith that the laws serve God's glory. I mean, through a utilitarian lens, it makes no sense that the use of contraception is forbidden and yet NFP is acceptable since ultimately, both have the end of preventing the creation of further children.

>like heterosexual marriage because it creates children

Through a utilitarian lens, wouldn't it make more sense to allow polygyny since one Catholic man could create a greater number of children to pass his faith down to if he had more wives?

>And how important is the imagination and dreams?

The imagination is a good faculty but one should be careful with it. Any imagery you expose yourself to can be evoked by a demon.

>I've had many occasions where imaginary scenarios my head conjured up ended up becoming reality.

Demons are able to implant thoughts in our minds, yes. Demons have a perfect knowledge of the present moment as well as a perfect knowledge of time leading up to this moment so, with their Intellect (Adam and Eve, before the Fall, were just below the lowest angels in Intellect and Adam and Eve, according to Fr. Ripperger, had an IQ of around 200), they're able to make very good predictions. I believe when angels want us to think of something, they do something different to the demons. They kind of lead us to it rather than outright plant the thought. I haven't heard the relevant lecture in a while now but yes, it's possible that these experiences you've had were demonic in nature. Since you have not progressed very far in your prayer life, it's most likely that these experiences were not of holy origin at all.

>>837455

>Ripperger mixed with memes

Are you a new Catholic? I'm not criticizing Ripperger. I just notice you're depending heavily on his authority and also some often repeated stereotypes about Catholics which go against some things my local priest taught me.

>>837719

Yes actually, I would consider myself a new Catholic. Truly, I know nothing about my faith. Almost everything I'm learning about my faith is coming from the Sensus Fidelium YouTube Channel.

What would these memes be that I seem to be subscribing to?

Also, whilst emphasising that a bad priest is still a priest, Fr. Ripperger has also argued that priests aren't of the quality they should be. Considering this then, whilst respecting your local priest with the respect that is due to him, how are you so sure that your priest isn't a bad priest?

At my local parish for instance, there are pamphlets in the entrance to the Church advertising group trips to Medjugorje. The priest never thought to look into the authenticity of the putative Marian Apparition. Either that or somebody else manages the pamphlets and he never once examined them, casually leaving devout, unsuspecting parishioners open to demonic influence.

>>837827

I bet you’ll be an independent baptist in less than a year.

>>837830

Heh, unlikely.

I've been Catholic for two years so far and have had miracles through fasting and praying the rosary. If the Protestants were correct, the rosary shouldn't have yielded anything. I'm here to stay.

>>837827

I get most of my Catholic knowledge from Ripperger and Aquinas and I doubt Ripperger would disapprove of my current priest. He's the least cucked one we've had in years.

>>837455

>I believe when angels want us to think of something, they do something different to the demons. They kind of lead us to it rather than outright plant the thought.

St. Ignatius says it's the ends that determine if a spirit is an angel or demon, not the means. The Bible says "You shall know them by their fruits."

>Since you have not progressed very far in your prayer life

That's a very uncharitable assumption, and a hypocritical one too since it's coming from a new Catholic. I've been a praying practicing Catholic surrounded by Catholic culture my whole life. Dealing with nucats judging us and often times condemning us for non-sins like racism has grown quite irritating over the years.

>>837918

>St. Ignatius says it's the ends that determine if a spirit is an angel or demon, not the means. The Bible says "You shall know them by their fruits."

Firstly, intuitively, I think what St. Ignatius means here is simply that angels and demons may seemingly do the exact same things to people but the difference is that one is trying to guide people to heaven and the other, hell. That's my understanding when someone is talking about both "means" and "ends". It's a way of talking about journeys and destinations and in this context, it's a way of talking about how these beings guide our journey through life to their desired end.

What I said however was specific to the technique these beings use when affecting our minds. What I said is really more of a scientific, technical aspect of how these beings affect us. While I've never studied these matters myself, I believe it is a theological matter.

If Theologians have discerned that there's a distinction between how angels and demons go about affecting our minds then that's that. I don't believe their conclusion is in contradiction with what St. Ignatius has said either as they do ultimately influence us towards different ends through seemingly identical means (including demons even appearing holy, 2 Corinthians 11:14) and indeed, the demons will yield bad fruit in our lives so there's no problem as far as I can see.

>That's a very uncharitable assumption, and a hypocritical one too since it's coming from a new Catholic

Fr. Ripperger claims that most traditionalists pray with vocal prayer which, while good, is ultimately the lowest form of prayer. It was based off of this assumption that I assumed that you too most likely have not advanced in your prayer life. I'm of the opinion that very few people successfully attain sainthood in this life and that you were most likely of the majority that could be safely assumed to not be of sufficient holiness for it to be believable that your mystic experiences were in fact of a holy nature. I was simply operating off of the simplest assumptions. I meant no offense.

Just out of curiosity though, how far have you progressed through your prayer life? You may pray a lot but how deep does it go? Attached to this post is the first video of the "Spiritual Life" playlist just if you're curious.

>>837186

No, it isn't. Eternity is not transfinite but untimely.

You have a wrong conception of eternity to begin with.

>>837182

As a basic rule, anything and everything supernatural not from God is from the devil and should not be trusted, "occultism" is just another type of devil worship.

Don't think a human could turn into a Angel because humans have bodies as part of their nature while Angels do not, you'd properly be better looking at St.Aquinas for more metaphysical stuff

Take dreams with a grain of salt, they can be influenced by devils