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>>836981

>I strongly suspect the book of revelations is just a con.

And I strongly suspect you are as well.

>>836981

>revelations

>revelations

>revelations

Are you too stupid to actually read the title in the first place?

>quotes Deut 18:10-12

>throws away nearly all the prophet books

ok

>>836987

>>836982

>>836986

These three provide more evidence for my assertions. If it really is inspired then why are Christians trained to accept it without thought? This is a great example of the idolatry of the protestants. Catholics have their statues and the protestants have their paper idol that blinds them to God.

>1 Thessalonians 5:21 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

The protestants aren't allowed to test all things.They are just as brainwashed as your average antifa. They are required to place their faith in a book even though nowhere in that book is the claim made that God will someday give believers an infallible book to obey.

>>836981

Your reading the book of revelation backwards. That sweet/bitter scroll was not a hallucinogen. It represents the effects on the body of the final teaching that will be given man, or something to that effect.

> If these angels were of God then why did they give John a hallucinogen? If you've read the book of Enoch then you know angels aren't necessarily good.

All of God’s fruits in the twelve trees in Heaven have hallucinogenic effects. The tree in the garden of eden that Adam and Eve ate had a hallucinogenic effect as well. Haven’t you ever done a hallucinogen? Once under it you realize your just a man and all understanding is given by God and your own brain is very limited. You realize things about yourself clearer and see that without God you are nothing. That God (The Father) is what keeps the world together and functioning. A holy man under a hallucinogen has a completely different experience than an atheist under a hallucinogen. Whatever owns your soul is what comes to you and gives you education. I have never had demonic experience under a hallucinogen, the few times I did it to help out my depression. My friends told me I’m weird when I was in a hallucinogenic state because I wouldn’t shut up about how amazing God is and they only would hear me bash God when sober. When I was under a hallucinogen my friends were confused at the difference in me and I was shocked at the realization of my bitterness toward God when I’m sober. God created hallucinogens in nature for use by all who are in his favor. All who aren’t can not enjoy a hallucinogen properly.

The book of Enoch is a false book. It supports reincarnation, something never supported in the Bible. So is the extension to the book of revelations that many talk about. The extended chapters of the book of revelation love to reference things in the book of Enoch, because they are both false books.

> For instance, the three wise men were wise because they were occultists. When they found Jesus by a star, they were interpreting an omen. They were evil people that were the precursors of the modern day illuminati. They met with herod in secret, just like the illuminati with our leaders, and they told Herod that the king of the Jews had been born even though they knew herod would try to kill Jesus because A king of the Jews would remove Herod from power.

This is not how this part of the Bible played out. The three wise men were astrologists but the term astrology was used differently back then. By today’s terms we would call them astronomers. They were not involved in the occult, they were the scientists of stars at the time. And their worry for Jesus was evident in their actions.

> Another example is Solomon, who was supposed to be the wisest king Israel ever had. We know Solomon grew to be heavily involved in the occult in later years. The star of David is really the seal of solomon (star of remphan as well).

Solomon was the wisest king and it’s very clear in the Bible that it was his many wives from different lands that turned him to the occult. He became evil after those wives introduced him to their rituals. And ritualistic evidences in Solomon’s life are a product of those whores, not a product of what God taught him.

As for your last paragraph, it’s complete confusion on your part. God created the son and the moon and the stars, for his uses, not for the occult. It’s not his fault people worship his heavenly decorations. Is he supposed to abandon the reasons he created them just because of a few moon worshippers and idolaters and occultists? As for the number 666, it’s God who gave us the number 6 and it’s meaning, around that same scripture God calls it the number of a man (also represents imperfection). It also says ‘let he who has discernment calculate the number of the beast’, there’s math involved in some way. Math is not an occult tool, it belongs to God.

Read revelation again, and not backwards. Do you do a lot of things backwards buddy?

>>836992

nevermind, you are that nestorian

>>837010

>Nevermind, you are that nestorian

There's nothing even remotely subversive about this thread. If you don't think I'm right then you don't think I'm right. If you do think I have a point you're still a Christian. The fact that discussion of your sacred cows is subversive to you just shows that you've been compromised and are now afraid of thought.

>>837039

Ok, You seem to really care. Excuse me for assuming you didn’t. It’s just you were wrong about a fair amount of things and I made an assumption I wasn’t supposed to.

I’ll read about the three wise men again today. That’s the only part of what you said that I feel I should brush up on. And regarding the book of Enoch, I am certain it’s a lie because I know reincarnation is not a biblical belief, never have I come across a scripture supporting it in the traditional Bible’s 66 books. Just because a book was kept secret doesn’t mean it’s truth. I read a couple of apocrypha books, not all. I’m in no denomination and don’t feel the need to run from testing these books out.

As for dressing Jesus in gold as a satanic ritual, I highly doubt The Father would allow that. If the three wise men recognized Jesus as king it would make sense that they would do that.

Lastly, natural drugs are not bad for you, everything in moderation. I haven’t done a hallucinogen in a while, but never were they sweet in my mouth and bitter in my stomach. In fact, they were bitter in the mouth and nauseous in the stomach (LSD). Shrooms tasted like regular mushroom in my mouth and had no effect on my stomach. So that’s not always the case either. But I see you care and I’ll get back to you after I read up on the three wise men again, I don’t know how much of what I read on them has been molested by Jesus movies, so I don’t want to waste anymore of your time till I cleared that up in my mind.

>>837041

Subversive: tending or intending to subvert or overthrow, destroy, or undermine an established or existing system, especially a legally constituted government or a set of beliefs.

See your posts

>>836860

>>836890

>You're a jewish subhuman that's only here to cause anger and strife between Christians

You described yourself very well.

So far: Matthew 2:1-12

It’s clear that the astrologers were foolish in trusting Herod. Because Herod kept his true motives a secret and told the astrologers to tell him when they found the child so he can worship Jesus as well. God afterwards gave them divine warning in a dream to not tell Herod and the three astrologers escaped. Also it never says they dressed Jesus in Gold. But they did give it to him as one of the gifts. As for the frankincense and myrrh, those were gifts of great value at the time, many would use them.

No let me see if there are other accounts in the other 3 books by the apostles…

>>837045

I found no other references regarding the three wise men. I welcome others to point more out to me if they know of any other scripture. In fact that one account in Matthew shows that they were not occultists because they discerned the birth of Jesus using the stars and prophecy, not occult teachings. When they came to Herod they just seemed to assume the Jews knew as well, they seemed to think the Jews had the same education. Occult teaching are not uniform, but those three men thought the Jews knew as well so that shows they where referencing an encyclopedic knowledge that the Jews were supposed to have as well. Somehow they knew and they were right about their theory. They were the ones that brought attention to Herod about their findings and not even the Jews around Herod seemed to have known what was coming. Also, if they wanted Jesus dead they would’ve told Herod instead of leaving in secret. I think it’s very clear those three wise men where to some degree we’re very naive. Maybe the Bible should’ve been translated in a way as to call them ‘the three educated men’. Because as wise men they should’ve known that Herod has an internal conflict about this matter. Maybe wise and educated were the same words back then.

They saw Jesus’ star when they were in the east, so they came from the east. They didn’t say they lived in the east, they were in the east at the time, like many were. Nowhere does it say they came from Babylon, an area that remained desolate at the time, if I’m not mistaken. In any case I think it is very clear they were good and righteous men.

I council you to stay away from any apocrypha books till you’ve gotten a good understanding of the 66 we’ve already had access to. And if you don’t already know that reincarnation is not found anywhere in the Bible maybe you should not read any apocrypha at all. It’s not forbidden by God to read them, but it’s a bit above your head at the moment. There are other reasons why the book of Enoch is false, but I don’t think you can understand those reasons yet. Neither do I have a copy of the book of Enoch to help you.

If you really have the Spirit of God, then I hope you can learn to hear it’s voice better, I hesitate to tell you that you don’t because I don’t like others telling me that either, and I know they are wrong when they do. And if your really a fraud like people think you are, Then God will take care of it.

>>837047

>they discerned the birth of Jesus using the stars and prophecy, not occult teachings.

Astrology was the basis of babylonian mysticism and the occult religions of the time. They worshipped the stars as gods.

>Deuteronomy 4:19

>19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

You're really putting a lot of effort into defending these three wise men.

> I think it’s very clear those three wise men where to some degree we’re very naive.

>Maybe the Bible should’ve been translated in a way as to call them ‘the three educated men’.

you're so desperate to white wash them that you even contradict the bible and then go on to claim that the bible should have been translated differently in order to reflect your view. Face it man- you're unable to hear the voice of the Spirit. you've been trapped like an animal in an ideological cage that prevents divine revelation.

BTW, on the chans it's frowned upon to namefag like you're doing. we post anonymously here. get with the program.

>>837044

you're not even Christian. One thing I could care less about is a non-christian telling me how to be Christian, especially someone like you that worships the church in lieu of God.

>>837125

Your clearly someone that enjoys meaningless confrontation. I’m not trying to defend the three wise men. We have the Bible, although I don’t believe it’s free from manipulation in the past, you however believe every mix of things. You have completely filled your head with random information and can’t seem to comprehend a way out of it. You weren’t wrong to educate yourself, but you lack serious critical thinking that would’ve allowed you a way to knock out some of the lies you have now adopted in your head. You are in desperate need of critical thinking. Jesus was a holy sacrificial lamb, not a sacrifice to satanic ritual. You lack so much critical thinking.

It’s not my duty to keep wasting my time on you. I showed you that you were wrong on the three wise men, and I was nice about it. Now you attack and say I’m desperate to protect them. What the what!? They’re not my friends! I don’t know them! I was open to the possibility that I may be wrong but I wasn’t and you are clearly a mess.

As for someone who doubts the Bible like you do, why then are you against drugs you dip stick? Why do you believe drugs are bad? Not even the Bible says that, only priests and government agents do. Everyone else who says that says it because they believed their religious organizations and government agencies. For someone filled with so much doubt you sure attack drugs like a cult member. Maybe you should do some drugs, it’s not like you have a brain to lose even if the rumors of them were true.

Also stop studying people on this forum and attempting to emulate them. It shows, and your so bad at what your trying to do. Also, there is no way you have friends in real life. This is probably the only social environment people would give you any time on. You are probably a single power outage away from a total mental breakdown.

Enjoy your lifeless life. You don’t hear the spirits voice, your not fooling anyone.

>>837126

This is what you do isn’t it? Lol! You’re following a satanist’s playbook! The more you talk the more you tell us about yourself, that tactic your using is a double-edged sword. You’re not only a non-Christian, your trying to gather favor for your demon by providing works to show your worthy of greater demonic teachings. Oh my God you’re so bad at being a demon worshiper. Do you even know what your dabbling in? No demon would every bless you with it’s powers and tactics. When you fail, and you already have, my God’s gonna come looking for that demon your trying to impress. And that demons gonna come looking for you for getting him in more trouble than he was willing to risk. I’de try my best not to fall asleep at night if I were you. Good luck, don’t be surprised when you wake up in bruises. You deserve what your going to get.

>>837126

>someone like you that worships the church in lieu of God

Where did I claim that? Your whole personality on this board is "I am better than you because I believe this and why don't you believe something I believe". You came into a hypermarket to ask people to buy your s— and when nobody is interested you ask why. You're a manipulative individual, cope more.

>>837133

He said that because HE is not one. He’s projecting onto others the truth about himself. He’s following a satanic playbook. The fact that he told you that shows that he knows already that you definitely are one. Let’s let him talk some more. Let’s enjoy this.

>>837131

>Your clearly someone that enjoys meaningless confrontation.

says the drug addicted namefag that started the confrontation.

you-

>This guy is a heretic

Also you-

> You should do a lot of drugs if you want to be a Christian!

You're just an annoyance.You couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag and yet you think you're capable of actually teaching. You're full of pride and far from God and your only goal here is to try to start fights and cause schisms. I'd be really surprised if you really did identify as a Christian in real life. I wouldn't be shocked if you last name ends in ". . .stein"

>>837139

So your here to cause schisms and your last name ends in stein? So your that donkey from the other posts. What else?

>>837142

Why do you insist on namefagging when it's contrary to the morals of the site?

>>837044

Looks like this anon called it perfectly op. And you got so mad at him. Awwwwwww. You can’t remain anonymous in this catalog? You shift your tactics all you can and yet, still a massive failure. Every time you come on the outcome will be the very same. At least now we know your not a Catholic for sure.

Sorry Catholics! I thought this guy was one of yours the other day. But it turns out he’s one of satan’s most retarded followers.

>>837143

Your not one to talk about morals. You hide behind anonymity so your filth can thrive in this environment. I bet you use the etiquette of a handshake or a hug to inappropriately touch women as well. You take advantage of whatever etiquette you can for your sick purposes don’t you? How fallen you are.

>>837145

one thing about your narcissism is that at least it makes it easy to filter you out. you can keep ranting all you want, but I won't read any of it.