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>>836507

I wouldn't think so because the implications would imply that Christ was a divine hologram, which would be the heresy of Docetism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docetism

No, Genesis 1

>>836507

Solipsism is. InspiringPhilosophy did a whole video on it.

Yes, but it’s too complex to explain.

No, it's relabeled gnosticism.

>>836531

The way it is explained today, yes. It’s better to not believe it than believe it the way it’s presented today.

>>836534

Could you explain it hypothetically?

Here’s a question that’s been in my mind for a while that I find related to this topic:

We’ve heard many times that God is testing mankind and the hearts of people. If you don’t believe that then I guess you can’t relate with this question. But if testing people is the basis for much of what The Father is allowing mankind to go through then I would like for the people here to explain something to me. Virtual reality is fairly new to people and we’ve all seen videos of people jumping out of their seats and getting startled by certain simulations. Some can’t even handle it and freak out. They themselves put the goggles on and went in to the VR. They can still hear the people in the room they’re sitting in. Yet their minds are fully believing they are in the simulation that they know is not real. If the human mind can be fooled within a minute of entering something that it knows is not real, and created by man, why then would God not use a similar method to test mankind? Such a simulation would assure that our bodies remain undefiled regardless of the mistakes we make. Also, even with the simulation over, the results of such a test would still be the truth because we did not know we were in one, we acted how we would have in a specific situation, and we still can be charged accordingly. Yes there are many loose ends to this question, but you can’t deny that running mankind through a simulation would protect it from all permanent damage.

God says He can fix all damage done to a person. But no one can say that damage has never occurred, even after it’s fixed. But with a simulation, you can fix damage and say it never occurred.

>>836536

When thinking about it I always come to the moment of Adam and Eve getting kicked out of the garden. I think to myself, “this would be a perfect moment to start the simulation”.

>>836538

So satan's temptation to Eve could be kinda be similar to Morpheus tempting Neo to take the red pill? But instead of breaking the simulation like in the Matrix, it actually starts the simulation of the fallen world. Something like that?

>>836538

But overall the point of a simulation, if we are in one, is that it would be impossible to prove until it’s time to end the simulation. The moment it’s proven is the moment it becomes useless to be in one.

Also, Magic seems to be very similar to a hack in a computer. When demonic people engage in magic I see it as nothing more than fallen spirit creatures giving their slaves access to the coding structure of the simulation. If anyone here has spent a considerable amount of time in Fortnites creative mode or in developing a computer generated world from scratch then you can understand what I’m saying a little better. Yes it’s a video game, but it does a good job in explaining how laws would act in a simulation.

Overall I believe it’s completely compatible with the Bible and faith. Being in a simulation doesn’t change ‘The Truth’ or the ‘The Way’. Since God is still God simulation or not. He simply works in the simulation as well, the same as He would without one. The laws of the simulation, are the same laws of God, it’s only use may be to protect from permanent harm, because you can’t change the fact that damage has occurred to us all any other way. God can fix a broken vessel to it’s original state as if it was never damaged in the first place, but not even God can say damage has never occurred to that vessel in the past, that would be a lie. Unless we are in a simulation. And once out, everything we’ve been through will be as a dream. In dreams we see our own weaknesses. When we awaken we know we are not damaged, but we see who we can become in specific situations. And when we awaken it’s over, but now we know what we are made of. Not all dreams of coarse, but certain dreams we wonder why we acted how we did, and we learn of our weakness. Dreams are also funny in that the most obscure thing can happen and we are still not aware it’s a dream. A family member can bring an elephant in the backyard and say “the pet store didn’t have a dog so I purchased the last elephant they had so we can plow the fields”. You may know you don’t have a farm and you may know the pet store doesn’t sell elephants, but in dreams we just tend to believe things and make excuses for them. It’s that easy to be fooled as a human. Kinda makes you think about our ability to know real from fake doesn’t it?

>>836539

That’s a good comparison, I didn’t think of that before!

I can’t say when it started or ended, none of us can. But I don’t think satan is in control of it, I think he just has some programming privileges, that’s all. A simulation is really almost all just light manipulation. Maybe satan had The task of overseeing light when he was in Father’s favor. Maybe what he did was much like stealing a companies tech and running off with it. He likes the name Lucifer, but god calls him satan.

Is anyone here good at realizing their in a dream when dreaming? I’ve rarely been able to notice I’m dreaming when I’m in one, and when I do the dream always ends immediately after I’ve realized it’s a dream.

>>836541

I guess I would mean that God still starts the simulation with the placing of the Cherubim and the flaming sword. Obviously there is that boundary there.

>>836543

There’s also a ‘sacred secret’ to be revealed at the end of revelation. I’m not saying that sacred secret is that we are in a simulation, but, I wonder what it could be.

>>836543

Regarding this topic, I was never able to come up with an explanation addressing all its loose ends. I just throw my hands in the air as a sign of defeat on the subject because even if it’s true the point would be to be tested anyway. God is still God, and simulation or not, He demands from us obedience and we must give it to Him. I just don’t like the pagan version of what the simulation is. It’s the worst possible take on the subject.

>>836637

Thanks for the book reference but because I’m also cautious on the matter I do not read up on such things. These are things that occur naturally to me (extremely rare and I can count all lucid dreams I’ve ever had on both hands) and I don’t go down the road into this topic from any outside sources. I just talk about them freely. As well as other phenomena related to dreams, such as suddenly getting the feeling of falling out of bed (this is a very light outer body experience that most all people have felt at least once) right before falling asleep.

What happens naturally is innocent. However, if I go down this road with books written by men I might pervert the process, Jesus will take me as deep into a dream as He’ll like me to go. It’s important that I don’t try to control the gift.

I had a lucid dream last night. Jesus was there and he was explaining something to me regarding a topic that I’m not comfortable with talking about (not a shameful topic but this is not the place for that discussion, something to do with creation). That was very rare and I’ve never had one of those before. Last nights dream was something else entirely. I’ve never had a dream like that one. I only say this to tell you your caution is heard and I will heed it. With no education on the matter I should be safe. It’s not like I can avoid the dreams I have, but I refuse to manipulate it.

Although what you told me doesn’t sound particularly dangerous, I don’t want to treat my dreams as a playground. I’m giving that realm to God so he can instruct me through it, if He feels like it. Yesterday’s though was probably the strangest/most direct conversation I’ve had with Jesus. It wasn’t anything demonic at all. But I’m surprised I didn’t wake up from it when I noticed it was Jesus. The rest of the dreams after that were also vivid but I had no idea I was dreaming. Like I said no control of it’s direction is in my hands. I wish I could remember more of it. But most of it is already gone.

>>836507

>Is simulation theory compatible with Christianity?

no. it's satanic. If you want to deny God then you have to first deny truth. the goal of the jews and the elite since neitzsche has been to erase truth so that theory is just the logical end result of the attempt to deny all truth

>>836777

>With no education on the matter I should be safe. It’s not like I can avoid the dreams I have, but I refuse to manipulate it.

I assure you, no harm can come to you through lucid dreaming. Even if you have a terrifying experience, no physical harm can come to you due to whatever happens in the dream. Psychologically, I believe it's well-advised that one never looks into a mirror in a lucid dream as that seems to be prone to triggering highly disturbing imagery. I recall one person stating the experience traumatised them such that they were crippled by a severe fear of looking into a mirror, even if they knew they were awake however, I believe chronic, adverse issues resulting from the practise are rare.

If you don't wish to lucid dream once you've started, that's fine. According to what I've read, provided you simply go to bed with the intent of not lucid dreaming, it won't happen. Even if you find yourself in a lucid dream, I believe you really can return to dreaming normally by simply desiring it. What I say is based off of what I can vaguely recall from this book, "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming".

Of course, you are correct in that it truly is safest to simply never take the plunge to begin with but, as I've said, I believe this would be akin to being the servant who buried his talent. Feel free to ask God to help you in this venture if you fear going down this road. Share your plans with him. I think this may be one of your callings, to be a Catholic Oneironaut. It will be up to you to pray to God to reveal to you how to make use of this gift so that you may better understand how he wishes for it to be put to practise. For this end, I recommend daily persistence in these prayer-requests as well as fasting as it will strengthen the efficacy of your prayers. I also hope you do come to the Church as being a member of the Church means St. Michael's Scapular is accessible to you. Wearing it at night might provide the protection needed from diabolic influence.

>I don’t want to treat my dreams as a playground. I’m giving that realm to God so he can instruct me through it, if He feels like it

Firstly, you seem to be implying that God couldn't forcibly manipulate the dream if he wanted to, just because you're manipulating it. Secondly, you're also implying through your reasoning that one also shouldn't do anything during the day just in case you manipulating what happens in the day also prevents God from being able to instruct you. If you're willing to accept that God can intervene whilst you do whatever you believe you must during the day then why would night be any different?

I think your issue may simply be that we live in this culture that romanticizes dreams as this transcendental phenomenon. After all, God delivered messages to Joseph through dreams. Also, Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud were successful in convincing the population that dreams are representative of deeper aspects of our self, unbeknownst to ourselves. Now that the techniques for taking advantage of dreams are available to us however, I don't believe this notion needs to persist anymore. If anything, it's simply a hindrance to humanity's potential progress.

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>>840094

You make a lot of sense. I’ll take it to God in prayer. I’ve seen a couple of examples in life where superstitions have hindered a harmless endeavor. I’ll ask God to guide me in my decision. He will make things clear and I will obey. You’ve already provided the next step if He tells me to go for it, I thank you. Although I don’t see myself carrying the title of Catholic in anything I do I’m not gonna reject good advice from one. I’ve had another dream recently that I can’t get off my mind. These books may help in a lot. But I need to ask Father and Jesus first. Thank you very much brother.