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b2628d  No.835444

Why are some Christians against coffee and tea?

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168b0a  No.835448

Who are you referring to? Mormons aren't Christian

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68e5d5  No.835453

I’ve never met a Christian that has pushed away a cup of coffee or tea religiously. Those that have did so because they just finished a cup, maybe two.

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5993c1  No.835458

>>835444

caffiene can be addictive, they wanted to lessen wordly attachment perhaps.

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e6a946  No.835496

>>835444

It's a mind altering substance and because of that alone one should be cautious of it.

I don't think most have anything to worry about, especially if they consume it in things like occasional tea and coffee, but it does have an aggravating effect which may or may not lead to you sinning against others in wrath or impatience, which isn't good.

Currently I'm existing in that state of dependence on the substance and my case is not the one which should be the standard, but instead a moderately bad one because I only consume around 200-800mg of the stuff per day, but I've been one-upped before by college students boasting whole multiple grams per day.

It causes much damage to the systems of your body, but chief among these for a Christian is the damage it does to long-term memory wherein details, discoveries, and experiences are not held onto as easily and that is detrimental for a lifestyle steeped in study.

There's many other reasons not to use it, but fundamentally it comes down to this: You use it because you are without energy, you are without energy because of your unhealthy lifestyle, fix your lifestyle (mainly just what you eat) and you wouldn't be dependent on such a substance.

Hardly condemnable, however the acceptance of it is purely cultural, imagine if any other stimulant were accepted as readily. That is almost already the case with amphetamines due to the ADHD misdiagnosis craze. So the question then is "Are you okay with amphetamine use?" if you conditionally dole it out to worldly authorities, you ought to remember when heroin and cocaine were readily prescribed.

1 Corinthians 8 is probably the best thing to be referenced in regards to this highly charged issue.

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68e5d5  No.835497

There is a huge difference between natural drugs and pharmaceuticals/hybrids. Anything coming from a seed is safe. Nothing is safe when overdone, not even honey. Nothing natural can destroy the body or mind. Too much of a natural thing causes vomiting, heart palpitations, sweating, for a short period of time. Some things you can take very little of, some things you can take more. Some things require you to rest afterward and somethings require no rest at all. You can loose your mind being hungry, some people get violent when hungry, should they not fast from time to time? Some things that come from nature have been stigmatized, are we gonna ask God why he created them? Some peppers are a hybrid of two natural peppers (Carolina reaper) and create a brief moment of silliness or panic, why did it develop it’s own seed? Tobacco has its use, marijuana has its use, the coca leaf has its use. I don’t see why people should be afraid of anything found in nature. If someone can’t handle their caffein, it’s not the caffein it is the person. There are lies for all natural drugs. Where were statistics 2000 years ago? We are to use all things in moderation and not worry about the rumors about them. Everyone must know what their limits are, not abstain from these things nor fear them. The goal should always be moderation, not abstanance. Only fornication destroys the body. “All sins are outside the body, except for fornication” - Paul

Pharmaceuticals however, run from them like you would from a demon.

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e6a946  No.835499

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>>835497

>Anything coming from a seed is safe

>Nothing natural can destroy the body or mind

You ever hear of Datura, bro? How about the Suicide Tree?

This fetishization of naturalism and condemnation of the artificial is only present in those who have no understanding of why science was turned into a process of discovery in the first place. You want to differentiate "natural" from "artificial" as the old ones desired to find "pure" from "corrupt" materials and processes. Through alchemy leading into chemistry and natural observation leading into recorded biology, we have the ability to see that natural things are no different than artificial, with the caveat of when they are inert. Among the very first things to prove this was the synthesis of urea, an organic compound, proving that something organic could indeed be made by inorganic means.

Think about that for a second, many many things can be made to match exactly the chemical structure and behavior of natural things, what does that make those chemicals then, natural or synthetic?

The answer is organic because of the composition and we have not (and I doubt will ever) capture what life is, life is more than these inert chemicals and that is what maybe should be fixated on, that we are unable to use anything but hijacked natural means to create life (all attempts at cloning and the like using the natural means to achieve what they have accomplished). Then consider what is it that enters the body? Nothing living, with exceptions for odd eating habits, however have you considered why there is so much detail on the slaughtering of animals in the law? Nothing that enters our body is alive or specifically animate if we follow the laws of cleanliness, so then I think it no surprise that among all the things mankind can synthesize, not one inert chemical is denied him, even flesh as we have seen in modern times, but the living flesh and anything like it is outside of his reach, being propped up by processes already in place or through microscopic machines.

Don't lose sight of what science is because academia has become a whorehouse for governments and corporations to make their money, instead remember the initial outlook of those who were attempting to make sense of the world God created so that we may worship Him in His fullness through His works not only in us (the important part) but also in His creation. However let us not forget that the ground curses our name and hates us, anyone who's had to live with it outside of the modern artificiality of cities can tell you that. To say something is good because it is natural is the same argumentation that got us into this artificial world to begin with, no things are only good if they work towards God's purposes, and things only evil if they act in rebellion to God's will.

Don't be an anti-rational mystic just because the world has perverted what it means to be a scientist.

And to be clear I don't disagree on the part of anti-psychotics and SSRIs because those were designed specifically to do their evil tasks of lobotomizing threats to society through their unloving institutions.

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ee6fd3  No.835501

>>835499

>This fetishization of naturalism and condemnation of the artificial is only present in those who have no understanding of why science was turned into a process of discovery in the first place.

See here's the thing, I don't even think these people understand what natural and artificial mean in the originally intended sense, much less the subtle imperfections of such categorization to begin with. To them, seeing the words natural and artificial, the words represent mere impulses, one associated with positive things and the other with negative stimuli. One is associated through the television with images of fruit growing on trees and organic aisles in the supermarket, the other is associated with lab vials and corporations. That's all these words mean to many people. They try to pretend otherwise often, and I don't blame them.

So with that in mind it would probably be best for both them and us to eschew this terminology in our current discussions when it has been rendered meaningless from its original context. This of course requires not using lysenkoistic practices and couching metaphysical claims in scientific and latinistic sounding buzz-words, as many political eco-marxists are currently doing to sell their bill of goods to a mass audience under the auspices of sound study. It's neither logical nor scientific, it does not stand up to scrutiny (of which it is rarely subjected to in public fora, again because these media are mostly under the sway of the same), and above all, the practice is irresponsible. Anyways I largely agree with you, I just think the problem in general which you have started to identify is even more profound than you have managed to express so far. We need not even get into the argument of what is truly natural or artificial if we've already lost all common semblance of what those terms were originally formulated to mean by and for scholars in the Age of Discovery. They were then more careful not to cross contextual streams between naturalism and metaphysics. Not like today. The sad part is all these lysenkoists are making it hard to be an expert or authority in anything and be able to help people.

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688346  No.835504

>>835499

>>835501

The only reason organic and artificial is a thing is mostly because chemistry is divided into organic(carbon-based compounds, that react a lot because C, O, and H create a crazy amount of reactive molecules) and inorganic.

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fba301  No.835508

It's a personal choice for most. Though you'd see Christians more often than atheists going teetotal because the latter tend to pleasure-seeking.

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b5273a  No.835710

>>835496

>It causes much damage to the systems of your body

how do you know this?

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3e413d  No.835754

>>835710

It's called science anon, or as some call it "using those lumps of grey matter between our ears that God gifted us with"

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