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b5bfb7  No.834502

What do you guys think about this franchise?

The point of most games is to literally partner up with demons and either serve or kill the game's version of God, who's pretty much the jewish God with the actual name. The games usually have a few routes to go about through the story.

Personally, I had a great time rp-ing as a holy man during the Law route in SMT IV, even if the game's depiction of God is very fundamentally wrong. He is seen as unforgiving and very authoritarian. (I did this before being a believer)

Pic related is what your partner turns into when he fuses with the angels. He becomes Merkabah who "is made of many Ophanim, Seraphim and Chayots. " as the wiki says

The game also features Lucifer as your main partner is the chaos route.

I think we should avoid this game series, but honestly this used to be my favorite game franchise from way before they were popular so I'm kinda conflicted.

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b5bfb7  No.834503

>>834502

I meant to say it was my favorite franchise from before I was a Christian

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989920  No.834587

Never got to play it for that exact reason. I was tempted but the game looked messed up. Unlike you, I was a Christian already though.

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9fa546  No.834738

>>834502

The ones that I saw, at least, always felt really superficially edgy. Like they were just doing it because it was easy shorthand.

The Persona series, which people might already think is "less SMT" than the mainline games, leans a lot more into the psychological themes, so I feel a little better about the symbolism since the fluff is that it's your -or at worst the collective unconscious's- aspect of satan that you're running around beating up evil teddie bears and fairies with instead of actual demons.

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b5bfb7  No.834812

I>>834738

I definitely see what you mean, but I also think that the level of satanic content is still roughly the same, whether it's labeled differently.

At the same time Persona has the quality of attracting waifufags and severely lonely people.

I still like Persona don't get me wrong, and I think it may be more appropriate, especially for younger people to play than SMT.

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34627a  No.834816

>>834502

The games turn Christianity and various other beliefs into entertainment value to look cool, which with the older snes games aren't as entertaining nowadays as I got bored a couple hours in.

The snes games also badly misinterpret Christianity and inner freedom. There's also the problem that you summon demons as the main mechanic(fuse).

The PS2 game Nocturne only keeps the christian ideas of God and Satan but has fighting God as the only option now.

Persona 3 and up don't have any noticeable religious elements. Haven't played any other of the games.

Whether Christians should avoid this series, you should avoid supporting the developers for certain and whether you should avoid playing it is up to whether you judge that playing it will tempt you to sin, which would in this case be leading you astray by it's deception.

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c0bb26  No.834821

>>834502

Love whatever you want, man. Far as I remember the game series takes inspiration from A LOT of japanese folklore and various religions for the cool factor (Don't remember if there's really a lore explanation)

I don't think it's even necessarily a jewish God figure but just your interpretation of it. I only played the Persona series and the very first SMT where you defeat cyber demons which is as far away from satanic as I can think of.

Hate the sinner, not the game

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c0da6f  No.834837

Ever since playing Super Mario RPG as a kid I've had a love/hate relationship with the genre. I'm mildly obsessed with JRPGs. I've been making a soundtrack for an imaginary RPG in my head and the songs are coming out pretty good. When I show them online people usually praise them.

But yeah my feelings on the genre are conflicted. Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Breath of Fire, you name it, these games are steeped in the occult. This stems from the original D&D influence, of course. D&D was influenced by benign things like Tolkien, but it was also influenced by actual occultism. So it's messy.

The fact that you can "summon" beings in Final Fantasy was already a bit worrisome. And then of course you get the culmination of that in the Persona series, where the whole thing actually revolves around summoning demons. And the killing God thing is a trope in the genre. The storylines are usually heavily gnostic.

When I was a teen I cast all my games into an evangelical bonfire of the vanities. More recently I've been going through some spiritual problems and I broke my Bloodborne and Nioh PS4 CDs and threw them in the trash. Maybe I'm being too puritanical, I don't know.

I love video games but a lot of the coolest games seem to be steeped in occultism, violence and general darkness. Which makes for a cool aesthetic, but does it make for holy living?

I'm rambling, i'm sorry. And these issues are also applicable to other creative/artistic fields. But I think I might give up video games, they seem to get in the way when I really try to live a holy life.

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b9f518  No.834850

>>834502

Video games a childish and gay. Men put away childish things.

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b2e99a  No.834851

>>834502

Video games are stupid and childish. Men put away childish things.

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88c279  No.834898

>>834837

>And then of course you get the culmination of that in the Persona series, where the whole thing actually revolves around summoning demons.

Admittedly, I've never played Persona 1 nor 2 nor have I seen gameplay of them but nonetheless, surely in Persona 3 and onwards, the "demons" you summon are actually beings you summon forth from the unconscious? Isn't that the lore?

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