b44051 No.834039
The way I see it, there is pros and cons of both.
>Mainstream seminary
Pros:
+more integrated into popular society.
+greater outreach to people(via schools, charities, ect).
+able to help the poorly catechized normie laity, which is arguably more important than helping the (already) semi-redpilled tradcath laity
+more social capital
+probably easier (you don't need to learn to speak Latin).
+have the entire history and institution of the Church behind you.
Cons:
-have to deal with excessive modernism
-have to deal with unfortunate heresy e.g. Christian Zionism
-have to deal with the corrupt upper hierarchy
-might be pressured to censor yourself in order to appear "politically correct" as to not alienate anyone
-the haters will call you a pedo and/or homosexual
-might wake up one day to find unbearable changes e.g. women clerics
>Traditionalist Seminary
Pros:
+Conservative social teachings
+Part of the select few keeping Latin Mass alive
+peak aesthetics, peak /fa/
+less chance of waking up to a progressive overhaul
+emphases on reverence, piety, ritual, and humility
+have to worry less about "politically correct" opinions.
Cons:
-less social capital
-possibly schematic, or might become as such in the future
-have to deal with the notoriously cliquish tradcath groups
-have to deal with the common purity spiraling
-more scrutinized
-will bear the brunt of the current intrigue which is happening in the trad movement.
Thoughts?
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97363d No.834042
>>834039
I'm not a Cathbro, but all the good Cathbros I've seen are more trad, so probably trad is best. Also one of my Theology teachers went to something approximating "mainstream seminary" and she had one of the most vile belief systems I've ever seen. I doubt it would corrupt anybody who actually takes faith seriously, but still moderns have brainrot.
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0b2009 No.834050
Protestant seminaries absolutely MOG catholics
>Head Count Enrollment - All Protestant and Inter/Nondenominational Schools
>70,246
>Head Count Enrollment - All Roman Catholic Schools
>6,859
https://www.ats.edu/uploads/resources/institutional-data/annual-data-tables/2019-2020%20Annual%20Data%20Tables.pdf
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97363d No.834051
>>834050
to be fair, the only Catholics who look at the bible are the people who want to be priests.
also
>frogposting
brother, you are better than that.
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b44051 No.834052
>>834050
That's only because it's easier. more ≠ better, anyway. 1 man can be worth 1,000.
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0b2009 No.834053
>>834051
Frog posting is christian
>>834052
Cope
What possible support do you have for that assertion
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b44051 No.834055
>>834053
>What possible support do you have for that assertion
you need 8 years of schooling to become a priest. How many do you need to become a "minister"? And quality is greater than quantity, so it's not a cope. the amount of people in public school dwarfs the amount in private school, but no one would claim public schools are better because of this.
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0b2009 No.834057
>>834055
It's not about the denominational requirements it's about the quality of education
The standard protestant seminary education is a 90 hour mdiv after a bachelors
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97363d No.834059
>>834057
>>834053
Why are you doing this? I'd agree that Prot. schools are better, but OP is clearly Catholic. He's trying to decide between more modern catholic and more traditional catholic.
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8e1ba4 No.834060
>>834050
>treating all protestants as one group
big fallacy there. Divide them between Lutheran, Baptist, Evangelical, Calvinist, Episcopalian. That’s a more accurate picture.
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0b2009 No.834062
>>834059
We're just bantering
The claim was made that protestant schools are worse, so I asked for support
>>834060
That would be interesting. The table isn't sortable, it would have to be manually done
I would guess:
>20k Baptist
>20k non denom (incl "reformed")
>10k Methodist
>10k Lutheran
>5k anglican
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0b2009 No.834063
>>834062
Actually put presb around 10k
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b44051 No.834064
>>834062
>The claim was made that protestant schools are worse,
I didn't say it was worse, I (assumed) Protestant seminarian life was easier. To me that makes sense, since Protestantism is easier to follow in general.
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97363d No.834065
>>834060
That's not a fallacy. Are you saying that total Catholic numbers are comparable to just 1 Protestant denomination? Its a density thing, not "how many total"
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a9f6be No.834066
>>834060
>Divide them between Lutheran, Baptist, Evangelical, Calvinist, Episcopalian.
>Baptist
Baptists aren't protestant
https://invidio.us/yIQegOGFUg4
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b44051 No.834067
>>834065
>re you saying that total Catholic numbers are comparable to just 1 Protestant denomination?
Yes
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0b2009 No.834068
>>834064
>since Protestantism is easier to follow in general.
Ok kid
>>834065
Those are global numbers, but the ats is only north america
>>834066
Not a single Baptist seminary subscribes to the Baptists aren't protestant meme
Not even j frank Norris's
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b44051 No.834069
>>834066
If people can't even agree on who's Protestant or not, the 70,246 number provided needs to be cut down. Here >>834062 he says probably about 20 thousand of those are baptist, so that brings the number down to 50,000.
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0b2009 No.834070
>>834069
There's no actual disagreement
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b44051 No.834071
>>834070
I think treating all Protestants as one group is itself disingenuous, even if you only include the ones who explicitly self-identify as protestant.
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97363d No.834074
>>834068
>Those are global numbers, but the ats is only north america
in america its 25% protestant vs. 20% catholic. You can't claim its fair to split protestants up in comparing numbers like this.
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0b2009 No.834075
>>834071
Sure, it's just categorization
We've seriously derailed the thread but there is a page breaking it down by denomination
It seems that roman catholics are very underrepresented compared to their share of the population, in comparison
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0b2009 No.834076
>>834074
No, 25% is evangelical only
What is unfair? We're just looking at attendance
If anyone has anything to add to the original topic please feel free
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97363d No.834077
>>834074
whoops misread its actually 40% prot 20% cath (from pew). but still, even if you split the prot numbers in half, thats 35K to 6K. not comparable.
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97363d No.834078
>>834076
yea I messed up but you responded b4 I could correct myself
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0b2009 No.834079
>>834077
Evangelicals are both a plurality of the US population and overrepresented in seminary attendance (not even considering Bible college).
Im just basing this on the decline of mainline seminaries and the exclusivity of evangelicals controlling the largest seminaries in the country.
Let's approximate that 40k of the protestant seminarians are evangelical, who represent a tradition thats 25% of the population.
Roman catholics have 6k students and 20% of the population.
So for whatever long list of causes, Roman catholics do not produce seminarians at a comparable rate to Protestants.
It's relevant to point out that catholics are nominal at a higher rate than Protestants (esp evangelical), so the underrepresentation is less dramatic relative to actual attending catholics.
It would be no stretch to say this is related to the drop in catholic membership compared to evangelicals, who are holding on to our share of the population and even growing in number. Ministers are necessary for churches.
In conclusion, mogged lol
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b44051 No.834080
>>834079
>catholics are nominal at a higher rate than Protestants (esp evangelical)
that's because Catholics actually need to DO stuff to be Catholic, it's not all about "justification by faith alone" feelz. Different dynamics are at play. It's like comparing a worm to a lion.
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0b2009 No.834082
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97363d No.834083
>>834080
>People don't leave because we suck at teaching them faith! Its because we suck at teaching them morality so they feel guilty enough to leave!
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6bed65 No.834100
>>834039
go to trad seminary but get ordained by diocesan bishop to be regularised and bring trad faith to the masses
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6d959d No.834165
>>834075
Imagine an alternate history where everything is the same except Manichaeism (a type of Gnosticism) became a state religion and spread like wildfire throughout the eastern world becoming by numbers the most dominant religion in Asia, instead of eventually being replaced by Islam which is what happened. Suppose that later one of its rulers created some altered version of it that recognized the trinity but kept all these really bizarre strange doctrines, many of which are blasphemous, however it became the denomination with by far the most population in the world. Of course, they would claim to be the original church. So since they were the biggest, having billions of people, would it make sense to categorize the world as Manichean and Protestant, or whatever their word for "not Manichean" is, with every other denomination being grouped together? I'd say that would be both misleading and disingenuous.
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0b2009 No.834167
>>834165
It isn't the case that everything that's non Catholic is called protestant. Protestantism is a certain set of convictions.
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6d959d No.834183
>>834167
The term in question originated politically with one particular set of European princes who were called the party of Protestants. It was a political unit. Due in part to the Reformers. Look up the history. Just because they might not have believed in papal infallibility, that doesn't mean their idea originated with them or that everyone who thinks that is related to them, or recognizes them at all. Yet if you say what you do by redefining the term to mean a set of principles, it makes it seem like every idea they held originated with them. This is inaccurate also, because some of these ideas may have come from Scripture, while others were inherited from Catholicism such as being a state church and universal church doctrine, as they were indeed trying to "reform" the state church.
I would be interested to see what you chose to include in your definition of those set of convictions and whether or not you included one thing the original political group all held in common: state church and universal church. Because It would be misleading to include those who did not believe in that with Protestantism Unless you're just redefining words to fit your taste.
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f00495 No.834191
/Nkecjm
Small and new Christian discord. There's a debate channel too though no one's debated yet.
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