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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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0f7ed0  No.833902

I wish that I could have a taste of heaven, an urgent hunger for that place, and to have a clear picture of what it will be like. My body is too concerned with earthly desires, such as what my body looks like, or whether or I will have a good wife some day.

I believe that heaven will be greater than anything on earth, and yet, this is not easy to imagine. I’ve been thinking recently, maybe I should convince myself that the most beautiful girl is waiting for me in heaven. There will also be beautiful music, and the most savory food, and the scenery will be always be beautiful and everyone will get along, and so on. Now a part of me thinks this is obviously too worldly and not very accurate, but I also might tell myself that it is good to imagine these great things, and then tell myself that true heaven is even better. But ultimately I’m still looking forward to “worldly” things, aren’t I? And, though I may forsake some thing in this world, because I believe it will be easier to get in heaven, then am I not paradoxically increasing my lust towards that worldly thing?

And isn’t all this somewhat offensive to God? I would like to desire God alone, but how is this possible without some relation between us, i.e. the things that God gives us through love? I’ve heard that heaven will be continual worship of God, but there must be something that motivates us to worship. Will it simply be a supreme bliss of the soul that never fades and compels us to love God? But for some reason, this sounds… boring. Not that it is boring, but I simply cannot imagine it well. The idea of talking and spending time with great people for eternity alone sounds just as interesting to me.

So how should we view heaven? How should we convince ourselves that the pleasures of this life are truly meaningless? Or must we simply believe and hope for good things? without any idea of what they may be

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f8a0d4  No.833907

>>833902

There are degrees of good which we know exist, with God providing these good things as a shadow of what is possible with Him. If you recognize him as the Author of all that is good, as without him no good thing could exist in any form, and realize that possibilities are limitless for Him, then you can easily grasp the idea that being with Him must be an object greater than the greatest desire. As there is no variableness nor shadow of turning with him. (James 1:17)

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5df28b  No.833909

>>833902

Read "The Great Divorce". It is not a long book, and I think one may find it online. I think I speak well when I say that all earthly good shall find fulfillment in Heaven, but that it is a candle to the sun. There shall be no need, but that is because the only and very thing we need is before us and beside us. That very thing which you seek in all worldly things shall be pouring love into you. What use is food and drink when the Bread of Life and Living Water is present? What use is companionship when Love is present? There is no comparison!

And of course we shall Love, having ourselves become like Love. And out of Love we shall create, as once Love created. Rest assured, there will be no time for boredom. The streets of New Jerusalem (if there be streets) will be adorned with palaces of song and light, gardens which grow stars, all good things which have ever come from the mind of mortal men. The fields of the city shall be gold and silver. And these things won't be for us, for some petty kingdom of our own, but they shall be outpourings of the bounty we've received. For, needing nothing, we give of ourselves, as we have learned from God.

You must excuse my metaphor. Metaphor must talk where words fail. There is no way to describe the beauty and splendour God shall prepare for us, nor to describe what we shall create with Him. And you must remember that is not the point. The great flows of creative energy shall be, yet again, nothing compared with simply the presence of the Lord. But we must constantly develop a better view. The sign of a strengthening spirit is that a heaven with only God looks more beautiful than anything else one can imagine.

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0f7ed0  No.833910

>>833909

>The sign of a strengthening spirit is that a heaven with only God looks more beautiful than anything else one can imagine.

but what is God?

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5df28b  No.833918

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>>833910

…. what

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5df28b  No.833928

>>833910

>>833918

to clarify, you are asking too vague a question and I have no idea how to respond.

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9f7385  No.833937

>So how should we view heaven?

By not viewing, we cannot know how it is like.

This is part of a healthy faith (Hebrews 11:8).

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5df28b  No.833939

>>833937

That's an interesting interpretation of that verse, which seems to be talking about something else.

But how is it healthy for a person who seems new to the faith (or to the concept of heaven in general) to abolish all concept of it? It seems to me imprudent and foolish. It blows out the candle rather than fanning the flame.

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0f7ed0  No.833941

>>833939

>>833928

What is God without the things that he gives? (creation)

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0f7ed0  No.833942

>>833941

didn’t mean to quote>>833939

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5a32c0  No.833944

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>>833902

>I’ve been thinking recently, maybe I should convince myself that the most beautiful girl is waiting for me in heaven.

I'm quite certain there's a teaching that Jesus gives where he explains that there is no marriage (and thus, no sex) in heaven. I believe what happened was that Jesus was approached by a "Sadducee" or something. These were people who I think didn't believe in an afterlife. The Sadducee approaches Jesus presents him with a dilemma. A man marries a woman and then dies. Then the man's brother marries the woman and then he too dies. Then another brother marries the woman before also dying. Eventually, all seven brothers have married the woman and died. When the woman dies and goes to heaven, will she have seven husbands? And then Jesus explains that those in heaven "will be like the angels" and he clarifies an Old Testament verse that the Sadducees had misinterpreted. The Sadducee says something like "You have taught well". It's all in this video.

>I’ve heard that heaven will be continual worship of God, but there must be something that motivates us to worship. Will it simply be a supreme bliss of the soul that never fades and compels us to love God? But for some reason, this sounds… boring.

Do not worry. Even if you think it sounds boring, it is not only impossible that you won't enjoy it, it's impossible that you won't enjoy it more than anything else you've ever experienced. Your existence was designed for this singular purpose: to love, know and praise God. How is it possible that you could not enjoy gazing upon our Lord? You must accept the reality that God is the greatest pleasure existence has to offer and simply disregard your doubts for what they are: illogical trash. Have faith.

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0f7ed0  No.833950

>>833944

I had the understanding that there will be no marriage in heaven. But the strongest feelings I’ve ever felt in my life were for a girl, and it’s a relatively pure feeling, far removed from lust. That is the greatest thing I can think of, in terms of my desiring and appreciating some thing, so I equate heaven to that, and then point out that heaven is even greater. But to truly believe that heaven can be that good, I get stuck actually believing that heaven will contain these things. We love God in this life because of the way he loves us, how he provides for us, teaches us, comforts us. When we get to heaven, what shall we receive? God’s love, but in what way? And we will love God, but in what way? Don’t we have the opportunity to love God now? Has the soul become so weak with the flesh that heaven becomes possible the moment we leave it?

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0f7ed0  No.833953

>>833950

I guess my problem is that I love the world more than I should, and love God less than I should, at least from an emotional/spiritual feeling kind of way, but it’s kinda difficult to separate God from creation. But I suppose there’s always a possible explanation that the spirit is beyond our understanding, and the way our spirit interacts with God’s spirit. Eye hath not seen, nor ear hath heard, the things prepared for us in heaven, and so on. It seems to be a problem solved by experience rather than rational understanding

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9f7385  No.833956

>>833939

If you want an explanation as to why depictions such as these are misleading at brst, it would be along the lines of: Communication only works within a form of life, since there is a transfiguration of this life embedded with death to another without, then there shall be a different manner of communicating that we cannot yet conceive for we have not fully tasted it.

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b52ef1  No.833966

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>>833902

God made the world and it was good, we were the ones to mess it up. When the world is remade it will be like it was in the beginning. I imagine heaven being much the same as now, only without the corruption of original sin and therefore death.

>>833944

>Even if you think it sounds boring, it is not only impossible that you won't enjoy it, it's impossible that you won't enjoy it more than anything else you've ever experienced.

The problem with this claim is it contradicts free will. If it's impossible not to enjoy worshiping God then it's not worship given willingly.

God grants us free will within the remit of His plan, if He didn't God wouldn't be benevolent which is clearly untrue. Therefore, it follows we would continue to have free will in a state of grace in heaven like Adam and Eve did in Eden.

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0f7ed0  No.833974

>>833966

that’s an interesting point. Do you think people that go to heaven can be kicked out later? however unlikely it is.

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d2daf6  No.834000

>>833974

That's a good question. In Revelation it's written that the devil will be cast into the bottomless pit, so perhaps there simply won't be temptation in heaven like there was in Eden. It also says in 1st Corinthians that saints will judge angels, because they have been redeemed by Jesus Christ (also see Hebrews 2:16), so something about redemption by Christ means the Fall can't happen again to either the angels or us.

That's just my take though. What do you think anon?

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cb2388  No.834003

>>834000

makes sense. It’s a narrow way to heaven, and James 1:12 tells us we will receive the crown of eternal life for the temptations that we’ve endured in this earthly life. I think the blessing will be eternal, so that no one who enter heaven will leave it. I haven’t seen any indication of such a thing being possible in the Bible, anyway

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cb2388  No.834005

>>834003

sorry, James 1:12 doesn’t say eternal life, but eternal life is referenced in many other verses including John 3:16

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9f7385  No.834012

>>833974

It doesn't make sense to speak of a "later".

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f40b4c  No.834040

God made us in His image and with that said- he made us man and woman. Yin and Yang… He created us for relationship because it is good.

Ask Him- and then ask again. Be confident that He is for you and never against you.

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5df28b  No.834043

>>833974

>>834012

What Orthobro is conveying is that Heaven is Transtemporal. "Now" and "later" are meaningless concepts in eternity.

>>834040

>Yin and Yang…

No. God is not feminine or masculine. As well, God made Man, and from Man made Woman. We are given no evidence of Marriage in Heaven, and quite a bit against it. Marriage on earth is holy and ordained by God, but it is just for earth.

Stop Speaking Lies.

>>833953

>it’s kinda difficult to separate God from creation

>>833941

>What is God without the things that he gives?

It seems to me like you have a hard time picturing what heaven is like because you picture God as someone whose main action is "Creating the World". God's main action is Selfless Love. The sun produces light, but its main action is Fusion. In the same way, God's made creation because of His Love for us. Consider reading some Theophanies, like the one in Ezekiel 1, Daniel 10, or most of Revelation. These are not strictly true in the literal sense, but they may help you to glean elements of God's Glory and Character. The more you think of God as a being who is whole and complete, separate from the world, the better you will be able to understand why one would want to spend an eternity with Him.

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d2daf6  No.834120

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>>834003

>>834005

After reading some commentaries I think you can safely make the correlation between the crown of life and eternal life. This is from the Cambridge commentary by E. H. Plumptre, which says it most directly:

>the crown of life: The image of the “crown” or wreath of the conqueror for the reward of the righteous is common both to St Peter who speaks of “the crown of glory” (1 Peter 5:4) and to St Paul who speaks of “the crown of righteousness” (2 Timothy 4:8). The “crown of life,”—i. e. of eternal life, which is the crown, is, however, peculiar to St James. The figurative use of the word is characteristic of the Son of Sirach (Sir 1:11; Sir 1:16; Sir 1:18; Sir 25:6), and of the LXX. of Proverbs (James 1:9, James 4:9). In Wis 5:16, we have, in the Greek, the kindred word “diadem.”

This is a little misleading however, as there is another instance of the crown of life in Revelation 2:10: "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

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