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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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62d08e  No.833549

Explain me this:

God creates a boy that is born into a Christian family, this boy is raised Christian, taught Christianity is correct, and taught that all other religions are heresy.

This Christian boy has complete faith in his version of Christianity.

This boy is rewarded in heaven.

God creates a boy that is born into a Muslim family, this boy is raised Muslim, taught Islam is correct, and taught that all other religions are heresy.

This Muslim boy has complete faith in his version of Islam.

This boy is punished in hell.

How can God justify rewarding the Christian and punishing the Muslim?

They're both just products of their environment. One was just lucky, the other was unlucky.

Alternatively explain this:

You’re an atheist, you know almost nothing about religion.

Infront of you stand a priest and an imam, both tell you that the other is wrong and that he is right. Both tell you that if you don’t follow their religion you’ll be sent to hell.

How can God expect you to choose the correct one? It’s literally just a coinflip for you on which one you believe.

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c7d88c  No.833552

Your line of reasoning assumes that faith is completely and utterly blind, without any role whatsoever for logic and reasoning to help discern what is actually true.

Islam, Christianity, and any other belief systems aren't just binary propositions floating in a void. They are intricate truth claims of an immense nature, that purport to have the full answer to every aspect of *being* itself.

With that in mind, whe we encounter such a systematic truth claim, there are many ways we can evaluate it. For one - is it internally consistent? Do all the precepts of that system work in perfect harmony (as they claim to), or is that system self-contradictory at some point? Secondly, we can also examine whether the claims of that system are able to provide a coherent explanation of the universe outside of the immidiate bounds of that system.

Now, we have to be willing to give a great deal of charity when we examine these claims. We should assume their presuppositions are true to the fullest extent, and follow those to every possible end, so that we may have a full understanding of what is actually being asserted. Now, this isn't always easy - Christianity, for instance, is first and foremost an experiential faith, and we Christians would assert that far more is understood about God and the Church by actually *living* the faith than can be understood by mere study. But both are aspects of the whole faith.

We do not arbitrarily say that anyone who is not exposed to true Christianity is automatically damned, it isn't that simple. There's a lot more nuance to it than that, without getting too much into the details.

But ultimately, my point is that if you were to encounter a priest and an imam, there's nothing stopping you from examining the claims they make in detail. But again - charitability is key here, dismissing things without a genuine assessment leads you nowhere.

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9e8ed1  No.833553

>>833549

Tough. Life isn't fair. It doesn't matter if you were raised Muslim. God doesn't care about your life circumstances. Unless you believe his Son through faith alone, and accept his scriptures alone, you will go to hell. All false religions will go to hell. Muslims, Catholics, Jews, and atheists will all go to hell whether they were born into their false religion or not unless they repent.

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85b61b  No.833560

Just something to consider I have a friend who was raised in the Muslim scenario and became Christian because he asked questions, which you neglected as a possibility.

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3cef07  No.833563

>>833549

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_of_the_unlearned

If God is a just judge, attenuating circumstances will be a thing, so all will be fair.

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b4149f  No.833567

>>833549

>This boy is punished in hell.

Because you should do some searching into what religion is correct.

>How can God expect you to choose the correct one? It’s literally just a coinflip for you on which one you believe.

Becuse you either have to be forced into believing Islam, or be an idiot considering how autistic their holy book is

https://invidio.us/RrlZ6AlNmXI

https://invidio.us/RGGvSpbHtVA

https://invidio.us/WSNI0WA58HU

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5c387b  No.833571

>>833549

god takes everything into account in his judgement it is utterly just.

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d86428  No.833575

Even a coinflip would be more just than relying in our own conclusions like you do.

I don't think you see the absurdity of the question you asked me

>How can God expect me to choose the correct religion?

How could I know?

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eeb0f0  No.833597

>>833549

>They're both just products of their environment. One was just lucky, the other was unlucky.

This is false because God has placed everything where it is for a reason. And this is your biggest false assumption, so get rid of it.

The next greatest false assumption is that you think you know better than God what is best for people. You don't know what's best better than the Creator does. The next assumption after that is that your hypothetical situation ever even happens the way you think: you think that people are unable to decide what they believe except what they are taught. This is overly simplistic. You also seem to think that what people say they believe is equal to what they really believe as well. There are a lot of people who don't believe in God but simply claim emptily to continue whatever their family believes. In that case it doesn't matter what they claim to be believing in either, if they aren't actually believing in it, which is where a lot of people unfortunately are at. So you think professing belief and actual belief are one in the same.

Another possible assumption you have made is that nobody would perceive your assumptions and oversimplifications and point them out in this thread. But here I just did.

Now I can move on to the answering:

>How can God justify rewarding the Christian and punishing the Muslim?

Hebrews 11:6 states:

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

So then if God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him, then it is balanced and just that if someone decides for whatever reason not to seek God that they would not be rewarded, but those who do diligently seek him will all be rewarded; and that means they will be given the Gospel and believe in it. Only those who don't seek God diligently will end up in a false cult like islam. That explains all of that.

>Infront of you stand a priest and an imam, both tell you that the other is wrong and that he is right. Both tell you that if you don’t follow their religion you’ll be sent to hell.

Another hypothetical that never happened. None of these things happen in a vacuum, that's not how God's creation works.

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435cce  No.833600

>>833549

>They're both just products of their environment

And God is a product of His enviroment, meaning you can't blame Him for any action He takes.

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09e98a  No.833602

Rom 1:20

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Deut 4:29

But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Proverbs 8:17

I love those who love me, and those who seek me find me.

Jeremiah 29:13

You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Matthew 7:7

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Luke 11:9

So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

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9009da  No.833897

>>833553

>God doesn't care about your life circumstances

My fellow baptist, I urge you to be more loving and to attribute more love to the God who is its very definition.

Remember we serve a God "who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."

Now of course you are right, even the righteous have sinned, and only Christ forgives sin. But you ought be more loving and evangelistic, lest you be responsible for their damnation.

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