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e4d0ab  No.833297

I'm sorry, but the idea of free will is frankly idiotic. To say we have free will is to say we control the way our brains process and interpret information, but it's quite the contrary actually. Our brain works in a certain because of millions of factors outside of our control. We can't control the way our biological body is or where we are born and how we are raised.

Let's say person A does a good action and person B does a bad action. We could think that person A is a better person compared to person B but that isn't true at all. Person A and B are simply vastly different and can't be compared. If person A had the same body as B and was raised exactly like B was, he would chose the bad action just like B. No free will at all, just circumstances.

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6ae33d  No.833298

Did you literally get your philosophy from the mickey mouse meme?

>We could think that person A is a better person compared to person B but that isn't true at all. Person A and B are simply vastly different and can't be compared

This is moral relativism, not free will

We have free will because it's part of being an imagebearer. We can know we have it because it's an assumption of scripture, ex "repent and be baptized" is an appeal to the individual.

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7ac71f  No.833299

>>833297

It doesn't really matter if external forces influence a person's actions when the persons still have choice. When presented with choice we have no knowledge of what we're going to choose until we do chose it implying there must be some sort of deliberation, what we pick may have been motivated by external factors but it doesn't change the fact that we make conscious decisions.

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6ae33d  No.833300

>>833299

Well put. It's a non sequitur to say if we have influences that we don't have free will.

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e4d0ab  No.833301

>>833298

>We have free will because it's part of being an imagebearer

I don't get it.

>>833299

>>833300

>what we pick may have been motivated by external factors

It's not just "external factors", it's our very brain, our own very neurons. It's our biological reality. We don't decide about how any of that works, therefore there's no free will.

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6ae33d  No.833302

>>833301

>I don't get it.

Google imago dei

>It's not just "external factors", it's our very brain, our own very neurons. It's our biological reality.

Did you make this thread just to argue that Christianity is wrong if you presuppose naturalism?

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934313  No.833304

>free will doesn’t exist

>therefore, the future is predetermined

>God knows the future

>if God tells you the future, even something so minor as your choice of clothing for the day, you are unable to defy God’s prediction since you have no free will

>this is absurd, therefore free will exists

that’s the best I got to counter determinism

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e6097c  No.833306

>I'm sorry, but the idea of free will is frankly idiotic

correct. free will is an illusion… as i see it.

>To say we have free will is to say we control the way our brains process and interpret information, but it's quite the contrary actually.

yes and no. you can't control the function, but you can control the perspective, which then changes how things are interpreted.

for instance I see the world as being one entity.. and that then shapes my perspective while watching events.

those that see the world as being separate from themselves experience the world entirely differently (more fear, anxiety, .. randomness is a symptom of living in a separate world) accidents happen to you..

in my world you learn to watch you thoughts, but mostly your general mood. and it is hard to catch yourself slipping into anger (it is seductively fun to be angry.)

>We can't control the way our biological body is or where we are born and how we are raised.

hmm.. interesting. i've changed so much about myself that I now find this rather humorous.

I saw myself as being a purely spiritual being and learned to meditate (shut the winnie the pooh up in mind) ..

that then led to my being able to hear loud noises and not jump, but see it, and decide what to do.. my natural reactions have been reduced .. more and more I decide because I am present.

>No free will at all, just circumstances.

you think you live in a random world? then so you shall experience it .

try living in a divine world.. in which every single thing is God in action, that to listen is to hear, and there is more to hear than you think in every conversation.

people are being more honest than you know.. and more deceitful (because they also lie to themselves.. they can't possibly be honest with you)

as a person that literally spent years living in the hands of God.

I can say you have no idea what you are talking about..

but.. be honest that that is what you see .. think/feel.

hopefully you can try some other ideas, like that of living in a divine world in which God is there for you at every turn.. but he can only help you if you think he can..

God wants you to do the impossible so everyone knows it was because of God.

peace, love, joy -> seed happiness

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4088b9  No.833307

>>833304

>if God tells you the future, even something so minor as your choice of clothing for the day, you are unable to defy God’s prediction since you have no free will

If God Himself up and told you personally to wear certain clothes tomorrow you'd fricking listen. Most people don't have the guts to disobey human authorities much less a direct personal order from God.

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0d74a0  No.833308

>>833297

it doesn't make a practical difference, either or.

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934313  No.833311

>>833307

a prediction is not the same as a command. There is no punishment for trying to make the prediction false. The question is, can you?

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4088b9  No.833314

>>833311

God would just make any other clothes you try to wear disappear because God can't be wrong.

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a9de6a  No.833322

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>>833297

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=0218GkAGbnU

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=Bwp5MsCGJB0

Anyway you can try to rationalize it all you want, but fact is if you decide to do the action and that specific action is viewed as bad, then it's on you.

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a040da  No.833335

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You've wrongfully pictured two possibilities, one world in which there is free will and another there is not. Now, since only one could be the case, you have wrongfully taken the task to discover in which you live. But would the people in each world even use the words differently? No. You must realize speculative philosophy is merely a misunderstanding about the nature of language, it is degenerate.

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2b7ba0  No.833338

Do people actually go throughout their day thinking they are automated somehow? I don't get this at all. And I don't really think they believe it either. It's just another way to excuse their own responsibility. One of many that humans have conjured up.

Try as you might, you won't escape.

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3ca1cf  No.833340

I find that people who think like OP are basically mad that they aren't omnipotent, they confuse the ability to make some decisions at some level with that. What they call "free will" in this case is the ability to do whatever they want, which is equal to omnipotence. Because some things are beyond their control, they rationalize that all things are.

But what does the Scripture say?

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

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e1a662  No.833417

If you believe God controls everything then you believe God is the author of confusion.

God is not the author of confusion

1 Corinthians 14:33

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Lying with animals or your daughter in law is confusion

Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Leviticus 20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.

If you think there is no free will then you're saying that God made something that is confusion which would be a contradiction.

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