ba2883 No.833222
Question for you christian friends: how are demons created?
Considering God wouldn't create evil creatures (I suppose). I'm guessing they are all "fallen angels" that rebel against God, pretty much exactly like Lucifer. Am I correct in that assumption?
Also, if this is true, why would they choose to do evil, don't they know they'll be damned for eternity for this?
And lastly, can a demon be redeemd and go back to being an angel or at least a creture that's no longer "demonic"?
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9eda48 No.833224
Even the Angels had one shot at free will; join God Almighty or join Satan. Demons are lower level angels that chose Satan over God.
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765801 No.833231
Related to this, I heard some notion before that most "demons" people encounter are just souls in purgatory larping as monsters and that real demons are usually doing other things than harassing random people.
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d00222 No.833250
Satan rebelled because he wanted to be worshiped and glorified for his beauty and wisdom. It’s not much different than the daily rebellion against God that occurs on Earth. Satan was probably much more beautiful than any human that has ever existed, so that created the potential for his pride. Instead of realizing that his beauty was a gift from God, and was meant to glorify God, he tried to use his gift to bring all the glory to himself, and have angels follow and worship him.
As for why Satan did it, it’s hard for us humans to understand a conflict between spiritual beings. Maybe Satan thinks he can win.
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3f69b2 No.833251
>>833250
The Devil is more intelligent than us but pride puts into bad use. Pride transformed an angel of light into a demon.
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44710d No.833272
>>833222
They are not fallen angels, if ancient Jewish thought is anything to go by. There are only two ancient texts that hint at how demons were created. The Bible doesn't get into it (probably because it isn't important either way). In the book of Enoch, they are called the "spirits of the bastards". The Dead Sea Scrolls lists a few different demons as well, where they also call them "bastard spirits".
You can dismiss Enoch and the DSS if you want. I really don't care, and don't care to debate it. It's not important information for anyone's salvation. I just want to mention it, since texts like these provide insight into how Jews thought about this subject, in the 300s BC or so. This is better than listening to some random Italian guy from the 2000s. That's all I'm going to say about that.
To clarify, the "bastards" are the offspring of the fallen angels. The Nephillim, who were a cross between women and angels. Their spirits still roam the earth, but apparently, the original fallen angels are locked up.
Another thing, Lucifer is never mentioned as a demon. Nor is a he mere angel. He is a Cherubim. In Ezekiel (in some translations), he is specifically the "Anointed Cherubim." (Ezekiel 28:14). The Cherubim were the most powerful of the heavenly host. So the "annointed" cherubim would be the most elite of the elite. They're never depicted as mere angels, but multi-faceted, multi-faced, and almost animal like. Which kind of makes sense that his most depraved form is a dragon.
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ba2883 No.833282
>>833272
That's interesting. I always thought Cherubims were cute little baby-like angels, that's what I got from paintings and sculptures.
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a1e290 No.833286
>>833272
That's an interesting take. Personally, I've always been of the thought that they were indeed fallen angels that chose Satan over God. I might give the Book of Enoch a read sometime in the future, but the Early Church fathers probably had a reason for striking it from the biblical canon.
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750cee No.833321
>>833250
> Maybe Satan thinks he can win.
Literally how though?
How can you win against an omnipotent being?
Is like trying to fight against a tornado and hoping you can wish it it away the thing is you can't.
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44710d No.833332
>>833286
Many church fathers, yes, but not all. The Epistle of Barnabas quotes it. Famously, St. Irenaeus quotes it and relates this exact story of the fallen angels having children with women in Against Heresies. St. Clement and Tertullian and Origen are among others (but officially, many would dispute at least Origen's title as church father).
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44710d No.833333
>>833332
Also, I forgot to mention. There is good reason to strike from canon: That it claims Enochian scholarship, when all signs point to a (much) later date. But it is still interesting in it's own right, for simply reflecting some kind of oral tradition known to Jews in the intertestamental period. Regardless of the false authorship, they still got the story and motifs from somewhere. Same goes for the Dead Sea Scrolls listing of demons.
The Bible can at least support one part of the story in Genesis 6, when it says the "sons of God" slept with the daughters of men. Some have tried to explain this away as some racial based lesson. That the sons of god were merely the children of Seth, and that they slept with Gentile women. Which is even more absurd than a story of fallen angels to me. It's only ever used by racists nowadays, where they think intermingling with other races was so abhorrent that it caused God to destroy the earth with a flood.
Pick your poison, I guess. False Enochian scholarship vs Neo-Nazi racial theories on the Flood.
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3bb020 No.833357
>>833272
based Heiser poster third time I've mentioned him tonight
>>833321
>>833250
>Maybe Satan thinks he can win.
Absoluetely not - Satan and the other evil beings know that their end is inevitable, he's not playing to win, he's playing as a delay tactic (that is, delaying the second coming and establishment of the Kingdom of God and his end) and to snare as many souls in the process as possible.
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44710d No.833364
>>833357
>based Heiser poster third time I've mentioned him tonight
Hah.. Credit where credit is due.
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88414d No.833382
Disembodied spirits of dead nephilim, being tht they are the offspring of fallen angels and human women.
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a552f6 No.833383
>Also, if this is true, why would they choose to do evil, don't they know they'll be damned for eternity for this?
1 Corinthians 6:3
This and only this. Angels were first in the order of creation over humans, but human beings are higher in the order of Grace. The greater faculties a being possesses, the greater capacity for pride it has. Before material creation a single phrase resounded so powerfully that it destroyed a third of the hosts of Heaven:
I will not serve.
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ba2883 No.833385
>>833382
Angels can reproduce with women? I thought they didn't have sex.
>>833383
Imagine being an angel and choosing not to serve God. Stupid dumb angel.
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2278e4 No.833443
>>833383
What a stupid take. You're probably an authoritarian communist. Everything by nature serves God including people who kill authoritarian communists.
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7b1394 No.833444
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2278e4 No.833445
>>833444
You can't make me do s—.
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423791 No.833887
>>833282
explains why you made the thread.
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