92f5f9 No.832826
I'm gay and I just want to ask one honest question: why do modern Christians reject gayness as this horrible sin and accept modern theories about race? Modern Christians are against slavery, against segregation, anti-racism, pro-interracial marriage… completely different from the Christians before it. Are the Christians from the past all burning in hell for supporting slavery, the apartheid, Jim Crow laws, etc?
Also the same people that promote LGBT stuff also promote the race stuff that Christians agree with, so it's a bit confusing.
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4f23b7 No.832828
>>832826
"Completely different on race"? You're talking about a short duration just a couple of hundred years ago. A blip on history. The Church never pushed racism before it. And the only reason some did at this time is that they were slavers and not Christian. Just abusing it. It took Christians who fought back: The original Abolitionists were all Christian. But from the beginning, the Church was "brown": It started in the Middle East. The first non Jewish convert to Christianity was an Ethiopian. The Apostles made it as far as India (St. Thomas) to Western Europe. Jesus himself told us to preach the good news to the whole world. Not just some of it. All of it.
As for gays, it's not a race. It's an action. And it's deemed a sin. Just like all sexual sins.
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da2864 No.832829
You have an idiotic conception of hell.
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138e10 No.832830
>>832826
Slavery was not forbidden in the Bible, and slave protections were present throughout. In the Epistle of Paul to Philemon, Paul petitions Philemon to release and welcome the slave Onesimus home as a brother, but still requires that Onesimus return to slavery as a show of obedience. The tower of Babel confounded the races and speech of the world. etc. etc. Basically, arguments in favor of racism were concocted because slavery itself (the staple of racism) was condoned. The Bible forbade racism only within the Christian communities but was otherwise silent on the matter, and so scripture could be co-opted to promote and defend it. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is explicitly described and forbade on a half-a-dozen occasions throughout scripture.
Racism itself, as in, racial realism in matters of prudence, is not immoral. Racism as a superiority complex is sinful due to pride. Racism as prejudice is sinful due to uncharity. Slavery itself, as in, having authority over the labor and livelihood of a person, is not immoral. Slavery as a system of abuse and oppression is immoral due to fraud and uncharity. You have virtuous racists and virtuous slave-owners, and you have abominable racists and slave-owners. We Christians are self-described as slaves of Christ, liberated from the slavery of sin. If slavery were innately wrong, would we fashion God as a slave-owner?
Homosexuality is intrinsically wrong, though. I can provide you with dozens of completely secular arguments about how homosexuality is unethical, but from the Christian perspective it is either lustful or vain. People who identify themselves as gay assign their sexual preferences as their defining characteristic – not sex for procreation as is properly ordered, but sex strictly for personal pleasure. The gay movement itself is called "Pride," which is are deadliest sin. The vanity that comes from the narcissism and self-centeredness of homosexuality is very destructive to individuals and societies. Homosexuality, unlike racism and slavery, has no morally redeeming characteristics under any circumstance.
God bless you. Renounce your sin instead of embracing it. I know it's hard. I am same-sex attracted, but I am not gay. I am not gay because I don't identify myself by my sins, rather, by my Christianity and desire to improve myself by the grace of God.
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088a5d No.832832
>>832826
You're wrongly assuming a progressive metanarrative about the Christian past being backwards and the post Christian present being enlightened and moral.
Christianity is entirely defined by what the Bible teaches. The Bible explicitly teaches homosexuality is sin, pretty strongly gives a sense of anti chattel slavery, and implicitly teaches a separation of the races.
Jim crow and apartheid are political issues of government entitlements that can't be simplified into a matter of Christian moral heritage.
In reality abolitionism was a Christian movement.
There is tremendous political pressure to be a racial egalitarian and most Christians just assume it, but in more serious theology there has not been any real shift in Christian thought on race over the last centuries of the west.
Homosexuality can only be endorsed by "Christians" when they abandon what the Bible has to say.
On a related note you need to repent.
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088a5d No.832833
>>832828
>Just like all sexual sins.
It is sin same as other sexual sins but it is not just like straight sexual sins according to Romans 1
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c4640f No.832834
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c08d5f No.832835
>>832826
>Modern Christians are against slavery, against segregation, anti-racism,
Not only modern, but historically as well. The abolitionist movement was begun by Christians. Before the governments run by Christians started militarily enforcing God-given rights of liberty, slavery was practiced worldwide. And it was for thousands of years. The main merchants who ran the atlantic slave trade meanwhile was Judaism. See pic.
Now the only reason you think slavery was historically created by Christians is because of modern propaganda, similar to how in the USSR the marxist ruling class made all these theories about imperialists causing all the problems of the world, right now in the US we have judeo and secular elites making and teaching theories about Christianity causing these problems. They lied to you about the facts and what really caused these things.
>Are the Christians from the past all burning in hell for supporting slavery, the apartheid, Jim Crow laws, etc?
90% of what you read about was committed by closet atheists, Judaism and so forth, or else is just made-up or warped propaganda spread by the same people and never happened at all. All of these problems fundamentally came from non-Christians. The only reason you think to blame Christians at all is because the same people are making propaganda now and teaching it to everybody and that's what you learned about in school/the news/etc. These people are very greedy so they like to blame the wrong things they did on the past on others.
>Also the same people that promote LGBT stuff also promote the race stuff that Christians agree with, so it's a bit confusing.
Not really.
>why do modern Christians reject gayness as this horrible sin
Because according to the scripture the act of sodomy is an abomination. Of course, modern Judaism allows this behavior, so therefore it is being normalized by force on threat of heavy fines and penalties. In some countries you can be thrown in jail for believing what the Bible says on this.
Because, again, the same people are behind this agenda which is entirely non-Christian.
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c08d5f No.832836
>>832830
>The Bible forbade racism only within the Christian communities but was otherwise silent on the matter, and so scripture could be co-opted to promote and defend it.
The whole concept of black people being the descendants of Ham and cursed comes from the Talmud, Judaism's central book. It is the Talmudic commentary on Genesis (again, through Judaism) that originally provided that connection long ago.
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4f23b7 No.832845
>>832833
They're not similar in nature, but for all practical purposes, everyone is going to hell unless they repent. That needs to be emphasized. The adulterer and the male "player" and the harlot as just as against God's design as the queer. Only the world admires the former and often praises them. But we are not of the world.
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4f23b7 No.832847
>>832836
The Talmud also says that Jesus is burning in hell in a pile of excrement. They have singlehandedly destroyed millions of Jews from receiving the Gospel, when the Gospel was once given to the Jews first.
I would take what they say with a grain of salt.
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656dd8 No.832848
I cannot comprehend how someone can read the Bible and not get a racist message from it. The OT repeatedly says not to miscegenate and Jesus calls canaanites dogs and jews devils and says he comes only for the lost tribes of Israel. Racism wasn't even a word until recently because what racism really is is just common sense. Labeling it and vilifying it was only done to justify invading Christendom with orc hordes.
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4f23b7 No.832849
>>832848
Your lack of comprehension is due to your own failing. Don't blame others.
The difference in nations and races in the Bible is about covenants. Everything is about covenants. The entirety of scripture is one long story of covenants - and who is in a covenant and who is not. Genetics is modernism. It's not how scripture speaks, and you would do well to get into the biblical mindset instead of dragging your own baggage into it. Covenants are why Gentiles could suddenly become part of the people of God, through a deal made with Christ. Or foreigners could become bonafide Jews in Mosaic law as well, simply through conversion. They are fully Jewish after that point. Not figuratively. You abuse scripture that speaks of sinful foreigners and how Jews should away from them - and don't realize it's about covevant and their lack of God. But you would stupidly emphasize flesh over God.
To make matters worse for you, even Christ himself is a product of "miscegenation" - his ancestors are Tamar and Ruth and Rahab, all Gentiles who converted.
But you would curse Christ too apparently. All I can say is that you only have so much time on earth to get your head straight. Sucks for you. Godspeed.
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4f23b7 No.832851
>>832830
>Slavery was not forbidden in the Bible, and slave protections were present throughout.
This definitely needs to be emphasized as well. Mosaic laws put a limit on the time of slavery. It was more like indentured servitude. After 7 years, you were required to free them. Many of these were also criminals as well - so it was a system of servitude rather than prisons. And the conditions were nice enough that slaves often formed a bond with the family and wanted to say. In which case, the Mosaic law said you should not forbid a slave if he wants to stay after the seven years and he would convert to Israel fully, as an actual citizen (if he wasn't already one).
The same went for debts - debts were canceled after 7 years. Full stop.
The European slavers couldn't even manage this much. Instead of the bible, they fetishized Muslim slavery and ancient faggots from Rome. They learned nothing about it from the Bible. The same goes for debts. Most Western business owners and lenders are addicted to usury and debt slavery to this day.
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23b3d6 No.832852
>>832826
>anime
>homo
im noticing a pattern here
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088a5d No.832855
>>832845
>but for all practical purposes, everyone is going to hell unless they repent.
Yes
>The adulterer and the male "player" and the harlot as just as against God's design as the queer.
Not in this respect
Romans 1:26 NASB — For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
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656dd8 No.832857
>>832849
Stay triggered, mutt. It's just plain obvious the Bible is racist.
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c4640f No.832859
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42e81d No.832860
Your premise is false in Catholic theology. All sex for pleasure is a sin in the Catholic Church. Married sex for pleasure is a venial sin. You sex for making children or comforting your spouse are not sins. All sex outside 1marriage is a sin; fornication included.
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42e81d No.832865
>>832857
Honoring and liking your own people is just the 4th commandment.
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7f9d64 No.832867
>>832865
Don't be antisemitic
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42e81d No.832870
>>832867
How is honoring your own parents, grandparents, cousins, uncles and your people antisemitic?
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7f9d64 No.832872
>>832870
That's not how you speak with your chosen masters, be quiet now
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ecf3ae No.832910
>>832828
>The first non Jewish convert to Christianity was an Ethiopian.
Ethiopian Jews have existed for a long time. Apparently they originate from the people who fled from Judea to Egypt in fear of a Babylonian reprisal. This was during Jeremiah's time, and Jeremiah prophesied misfortune and destruction in Egypt, but the people left anyway and apparently avoided their doom by going through Egypt into Ethiopia.
The Ethiopian eunuch in Acts reads Isaiah, which points to him being one of the Ethiopian Jews.
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bf224c No.832928
Slave ownership is very old testament. Followers of the gospel do not promote slavery. The slave trade was ran by the jews with a minority of Christians buying slaves. These slave owners could have possibly gone to hell if they felt guilty about what they did. Old Christians are anti homosexuality because it rejects god's creation of humans. Humans have free will so can people can live as they choose.
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eeaa12 No.832933
>Why do modern Christians reject gayness as this horrible sin and accept modern theories about race?
Because the Bible states numerous times in black and white that homosexuality is a sin that is punishable by death. The rejection of homosexuality is biblical.
>Are the Christians from the past all burning in hell for supporting slavery, the apartheid, Jim Crow laws, etc?
No. It's not a sin to own a slave, nor is it a sin to not own a slave. However, there are restrictions regarding the treatment of slaves. The rejection of slavery today is merely a preference in our culture.
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70299e No.834874
>>832826
>I'm gay
>anime
not surprised
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da2864 No.834888
>>832928
Slave meant anyone who had to work for a living. Lords were expected to care for them.
Slave just meant wageslave. The liberation of slaves is not freedom for the slaves but freedom of the masters from the slavery. Of course slave masters did not care for serfs always and never cared about colonial slaves but at the very least there was the pretense that Lords are responsible for their servants well-being. This is very Christian. Nowadays, they can fire you at will. This is very Talmudic.
Wageslaves are less than a slave.
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088a5d No.834891
>>834888
>Nooo employers can't fire people
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4f23b7 No.834892
There are enough differences between colonial slavery and ancient (especially Jewish) that they might as well be different issues. Colonial slavery is caught up in a lot of racial nonsense. While the bible had slaves in their own society (and so did Asians and Europeans). In the bible, sometimes people willingly contracted themselves to it as well (such as Jacob contracting himself 7 years for marriage to Rachel), and the Bible required that you MUST free slaves after 7 years. In addition to that, you MUST cancel all debts after 7 years (so no indefinite economical slaves either). You could only keep them IF said slave wanted to stay. In which case, he would practically be a new member of the household - and Gentile slaves would convert to Judaism and become Jews, rather than mere outsiders.
It was often a punishment too. They didn't the same kind of penal system that we do.
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4f23b7 No.834893
>>834892
Oh, and on a sidenote, even the Babylonians (code of Hammurabi) had widespread debt cancellation. How pathetic does modern society have to be, when even the Babylonians have more sense?
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974a45 No.834910
>>832826
1 Timotheos 1:10 disapproves of "men who bed males" and "man-stealers" equally.
>>832910
The Aithiop was a potentate of Kandáke, which is the title of female Nubian rulers.
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cd4f4c No.834914
>>832826
Christians were right about both race and sexuality in the past. They changed their views on race incorrectly but still mostly hold correct views on sexuality, probably because the Bible is so unambiguous about it.
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9239a3 No.834966
>>834914
It's even more unambiguous on race so the lukewarms could even more easily cuck their way into supporting faggotry too. They'll just say it's talking about spiritual faggots.
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48e458 No.835142
Are gnostic succubi turning people gay? I remember when I first started using the chans I noticed a ton of gnostic shilling and decided to look into it myself. After that I suddenly started having dreams about succubi and even though it was straight sex I took interest in traps and futa the day after. Eventually, it wore off but then I had another succubus dream and the fetish came back. I'm not sure what to do about this and I'm pretty sure my dream self doesn't have the self-control to run away. I've also heard other stories of succubi haunting people who took an interest in gnosticism and the occult.
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da2864 No.835625
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