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004ead  No.832625

so i went to church at times as a kid but pretty much stopped going by my teens

religion wasn't that big a thing at home

eventually became athiest when i thought about how silly it sounded

never read the bible

only remember snacks in sunday school and seeing Jesus crucified being creepy

anyways, when Jordan Peterson got big, i started seeing that religion could be more reasonable than I thought

that it could be took as a set of stories containing wisdom

i haven't finished the bible since then, but it has made me wonder about religion in general

i think of God as the universe/natural order of things

not some literal guy in the sky that does things, but as a way of describing the chaos of life

do any of you here actually believe in everything the bible says?

do you see religion similarly?

what do you think of the Jesus loves you thing?

what do you think of the lack of faith nowadays?

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983fb7  No.832626

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>>832625

>would any of you call yourself rational?

Yes

>do any of you here actually believe in everything the bible says?

Absolutely

>what do you think of the Jesus loves you thing?

It's the gospel, the good news

>what do you think of the lack of faith nowadays?

Pitiable

If you're serious you want to study apologetics

This is the place to go: reasonablefaith.org

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3a790d  No.832627

>>832625

I worship the Logos, not a record by a random tax collector with an agenda that deviates from Logos. I'm not going to believe in bs because muh bibble sez so. The Summa is a better Bible than the Bible itself.

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a609ef  No.832628

>>832625

Well, sure. I think you'll find that many religious people, Christians especially, place a high value on reason. Many of the fathers of science were devout Christians, and Christians drove western philosophy until about the 18th century. Thinkers like Aquinas and Descartes even thought you could rationally prove God's existence. Christianity hardly requires that its followers have a blind, purely emotional faith.

>i think of God as the universe/natural order of things

>not some literal guy in the sky that does things, but as a way of describing the chaos of life

None of us believe that God is a flesh-and-blood person who literally lives in the sky. Well, except Mormons, but we don't talk about them. The Christian God is an immaterial mind who exists outside the universe.

>do any of you here actually believe in everything the bible says?

No, because the Bible says a lot of things that aren't meant to be believed in literally. But yes, we do believe that Jesus was a real person who really did miracles and will actually return to judge us at the end of the world, and we do believe that there exists a divine person who created the whole universe and everything in it.

We agree that the Bible has a lot of cultural value and contains much wisdom, but we also believe that it is accurate in what it says about God and history.

>what do you think of the Jesus loves you thing?

I believe it, but any discussion of the term "love" requires a definition, and I think that many people use the word without really thinking about what it means.

>what do you think of the lack of faith nowadays?

It saddens me, and I worry about the consequences that may result from it, but times have certainly been worse.

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a609ef  No.832629

>>832627

>The people Jesus chose to guide His Church can't be trusted

>Meanwhile some guy from over ten centuries later has it all right

OK, everybody get your Lutheran jokes in.

Anyway, I don't think this is the venue for us to debate the topic, but I'd like to point out that most Christians DO believe that the Bible (especially the New Testament) is a reliable source for learning the truth about God.

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337a43  No.832630

>>832625

I used to be a “rational” agnostic atheist, was pretty hard in the agnosticism and skepticism, but thankfully without much prideful anti-theist sentiment. Then I read Pascal’s Pensées, William James’ Will to Believe, and I’ve actually started studying the Bible, and everything makes sense. The transformation is indescribable. I used to know all the criticisms of Christianity, I would watch The Atheist Experience and other atheist videos until I had absorbed all of it and got bored with them, because I had already heard it all. But amazingly, I’ve reversed on every single one of those positions. It’s like being on top of Mount Everest and then realizing there’s a mountain taller than that. With a little bit of humility, you can attain faith, and from there, you will gain newer, more nuanced perspectives. You no longer have mere rationality, but wisdom. And that wisdom won’t go away.

I believe in every word in the Bible. I believe in all of its parts because I believe in the most important parts through what makes sense to me, and if those parts are true, then I should believe the whole thing. I believe that Jesus truly was the Messiah as prophesied in Isaiah 53 and so many other places. And when I read the Gospels, I believe that he was who he says he was. I don’t believe such a good man with such wisdom was lying about being the Son of God, nor do I believe that the story was made up. What genius could write such a story? Is there any religion more wonderful than Christianity? And then when you start to experience the life of a Christian, when you finally feel the existence of your very soul, and your faith becomes stronger and stronger, then more and more of it starts to make sense. You study more, and you see reason and evidence that was mysteriously inaccessible to you before. And you believe it all. And you rejoice, and you hope, and you love.

It is so unfortunate that modern Christian culture, at least in America, is so lackluster, so unserious, so worldly, and that many young ones are being deceived, or being driven away from the faith entirely. Who could blame teens from being put off by it all? Parents don’t care, preachers don’t know the Bible, all the other kids don’t seem serious about God, it all just seems like a show. I hate it. Now some churches are good, though there are still misconceptions floating around everywhere and it creeps in through culture at large. Anyway my point is that you shouldn’t view religion by looking at “Christians” around you, because many of them won’t even be saved, but are on the wide path that leads to destructions And you shouldn’t listen to atheists, either, because they don’t know what they’re talking about, and their passions prevent them from being persuaded from their hardheld views. You should seek God through humility, read the Bible, avoid sin, purify yourself, call on the Lord while he is still near.

Faith is ultimately what saves us. Suppose you were in mortal danger, and that you needed to jump in order to save your life. But the back of your mind wanders, what if I cannot make it to safety? If I jump, then I may not make it, or perhaps my landing ground will give way and plummet me to my doom. Yet if you do not jump, then you will have no chance at all. You must first leap before knowing if you can even save yourself. Sometimes, it is only after having faith that we can arrive at the truth.

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86c20a  No.832632

>>832625

>anyways, when Jordan Peterson got big, i started seeing that religion could be more reasonable than I thought

he is so close yet so far, he mythologizes and psychologises it, making it to null effect.

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047f40  No.832636

>>832632

JP still sent countless people towards Christ even if he himself doesnt seem to take the final plunge, at least publicly.

In his final judgement he'll probably 'get a pass' due to how many souls he saved.

This passage seems to apply to him:

"8John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone else driving out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not accompany us.”

39“Do not stop him,” Jesus replied. “For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me. 40For whoever is not against us is for us. 41Indeed, if anyone gives you even a cup of water because you bear the name of Christ, truly I tell you, he will never lose his reward."

The demons he drives from people are the atheistic materialistic thinking, and his miracle is turning atheists into Christians. Its something most priests cant do.

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2d0271  No.832644

>>832625

>never read the bible

Imagine letting lukewarm false preachers drive you away from God's Word.

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0ba2ed  No.832717

>i think of God as the universe/natural order of things

I don't feel compelled to worship the natural order of things when they are death and sin.

I worship the Triune God.

>what do you think of the Jesus loves you thing?

Certainly our minds can conjure all sorts of rational schemes about the world, but they all exclude the Resurrection. Only love can believe in the Resurrection.

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2d0271  No.832718

>>832717

>natural order of things when they are death and sin.

That's not the natural order of things (Genesis).

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f54c4e  No.832763

>>832627

You had me at Logos, but then just had to ruin it with your worship of men. You wouldn't even know about Logos without the Bible.

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a4dae1  No.832767

>>832763

False. I knew about it from philosophy class long before I read John interlinear.

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0ba2ed  No.832804

>>832718

Nature as it appear to us cannot be conceived without death.

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