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ce7ee0  No.832376

If Baptists put as much effort into studying The Bible and history as they do into hating Catholics, they would be Orthodox by now.

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497ddd  No.832385

Orthodoxy is just arrogant people telling God, "we may not have blessings, we may not have God, but I'll be damned if we don't have tradition of men and sectarianism to support our beliefs."

Orthodoxy doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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b0df75  No.832386

>>832376

haha epic

did you know that Baptists statistically read the Bible more than the EO? Did you know that baptist dominate Christian higher education?

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d92514  No.832387

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>>832376

If my friends put more effort into playing Mario they wouldn't think I'm gay.

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4804c6  No.832389

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Protestants should remind you of the blind men and the elephant.

They take a small part of the Bible, ignore the rest and sort of find some truth, but get it wrong.

This is why they need the teachings the Lord Christ passed to his Apostles. It's sad, really, being blind. There are hundreds of them, each fixed on one small part of the Bible.

We are so fortunate to have the Holy Mother Church. The path is not as wide and easy as our Protestant brothers would have us believe.

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b0df75  No.832391

>>832389

You're literally describing systematic theology, which is a result of the reformation

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456205  No.832431

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>>832386

They can read all they want but they need the 'church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth' to tell them what stuff means.

"So Philip ran up and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. 31“How can I,” he said, “unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him."

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b0df75  No.832439

>>832431

>The eunuch needed explanation, therefore only my clergy system can inform laypeople what the Bible says

Moving the goalposts, and no

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497ddd  No.832445

>>832389

You know what? You depend on your relationship with your priest, I'll depend on my relationship with Jesus and we'll see who does better. Deal? Deal.

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4804c6  No.832446

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>>832445

You don't have a relationship with Jesus.

At best, you received the sacrament of baptism. Even a pagan can do a baptism.

But without a priest of the Apostolate giving you the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, you can't enter Heaven.

It once was that Anglicans and Lutherans had Priest who could do this, but now… no.

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4804c6  No.832447

>>832439

The reason why only Catholic Clergy can explain it is because it requires a Apostle of Christ to do explain it, for they have received the Holy Ghost. The teachings of the true apostles hasn't changed.

But all the protestant churches preach something different. Did the Holy Ghost lie to some? Of course not! Preposterous! The Holy Ghost was never in them, these are man made religions. The odd thing about them is that they all favor sin without confession or penance.

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4804c6  No.832448

>>832391

>systematic theology

I point out the neglectful induction fallacy of the protestants when they take a small passage from the Bible and make a whole new denomination out of it…

… and you say that my calling out the neglectful induction fallacy is sound logic.

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4804c6  No.832449

>>832448

>and you say that my calling out the neglectful induction fallacy is sound logic.

Should be,

and you say that the neglectful induction fallacy is sound logic.

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f5f035  No.832455

From my 6 months experience in an Orthodox church, they read the Bible even less than Catholics do.

Westerners really need to learn more about Orthodoxy, because the Orthodox have gotten away without much western scrutiny for a long time and it has made them really, really arrogant.

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b0df75  No.832456

>>832448

What?

I'm saying that it was Protestants who formalized the method of finding the cohesion of the whole of scripture, it's called systematic theology.

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4804c6  No.832463

>>832456

how is taking bits of the Holy Bible out of context, throwing out entire books while ignoring others, finding cohesion of the whole scripture?

I mean, there are hundreds of protestant denominations now, and they range from "almost right" to Sodom level. Your conclusion that they're all logically consistent is obviously wrong! Logic preserves the truth, you cannot take the same premises (the bible) and come to 100s of different conclusions and claim logic.

tl:dr What is the one true and logical protestant church?

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4804c6  No.832465

>>832455

The Bible isn't a how to live book of rules. Not in some parts.

Folks use it for everything from impregnanting their daughters (e.g. the story of Lot after the destruction of Sodom) to Sodomy (some branches of the Methodist, Anglican and Lutheran denominations) to almost getting it right.

That's why the Lord established a Church, to teach people how to live eternal life in heaven.

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b0df75  No.832466

>>832463

I'm not going to indulge your question begging

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497ddd  No.832475

>>832446

>>You don't have a relationship with Jesus.

Heaven isn't for our benefit, it's for God's. Why should you go there if you refused to learn anything about Him here?

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2ad739  No.832478

>>832386

Maybe the read more in general, but they comprehend far less.

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630168  No.832491

>>832463

>how is taking bits of the Holy Bible out of context, throwing out entire books while ignoring others, finding cohesion of the whole scripture?

Let's take a quick review of the facts here. You are trying to say that it's ok for a church to use multiple differing versions, some that include parts of the Gospel that others exclude. After all, that's what the bibles in use by various Roman Catholic leaders are. Some include or exclude things like the last twelve verses of Mark, Acts 8:37, 1 John 5:7 and so on.

Meanwhile, I am in a church that only uses one received and unchanged version of Scripture that has been handed down from generation to generation for the last nearly 2000 years and in the case of the Old Testament longer. My church does not use multiple different and disagreeing versions.

>I mean, there are hundreds of protestant denominations now, and they range from "almost right" to Sodom level.

Just as there are varying paedobaptist denominations today, all with varying degrees of doctrinal error. So which one is right?

They all claim to be the one true church and a continuation of Constantine's state church of 325 A.D., but none of them agree with the other. Their fractured existence proves the falsehood of them all. The fact is that the "Donatist" (as many were falsely called) side of the controversy in A.D. 313 was correct and baptist churches continue from that time.

>Logic preserves the truth, you cannot take the same premises (the bible) and come to 100s of different conclusions and claim logic.

Absolutely, My church which meets every week agrees completely on its conclusions. And there are many thousands of churches or more in every quarter that agree with mine.

Even more important than this, if you can imagine, is the reality that God sent his Holy Spirit into this world in order to teach us and guide us into all truth, just as Jesus himself proclaimed in John 14:16-17 and John 16:13-14. Therefore it is a matter of unity through the Spirit and those who have been saved will be guided unto that one truth by the same Spirit of God, and without Him it would be impossible. This means people who are without that will never understand as they search fruitlessly for some denomination or another without being given the true understanding that comes from the one teacher from above who exists and is able to give to those that ask of him. With God, all things are possible.

Meanwhile, the pope is simply antichrist, and many others with similar aspirations. We know this by the clear statements of the word of God. It's only by the fact, that God has given us his word, the record that God gave of his Son, that it is possible by the grace of God to discern objective doctrine from the true sayings of God.

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497ddd  No.832492

>>832478

Lol that's funny. Pope says to confess to God and Protestants have been arguing that for hundreds of years.

One comprehends, the other doesn't.

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fd96e6  No.832504

>>832491

>the last nearly 2000 years

Erasmus was not 2000 years ago. It was merely 500. He's closer to us than the ancient or even the later medieval church. This wasn't even an ancient manuscript he was copying either, but a critical text he formed practically by himself from a hodgepodge of late Byzantine texts. And he did it in a rush, because he wanted to beat a rival Spanish compiler undergoing a similar project. You guys say you have a distrust for critical texts, but then just follow Erasmus who did the same thing himself - with even poorer criteria than modern scholars have. Except you excuse him for no reason, and ascribe special properties to his work. Merely because he was the first one to make it to the print. That's his big accomplishment. But apparently, for some, that's enough to suck him off for eternity.

His text doesn't even resemble the Majority of Byzantine texts either btw.. especially Revelation. It's not just the Alexandrian family that Erasmus is different from. All you have to do is look. You're blessed with more freedom than previously thought imaginable, and can even have your hand held every step of the way without even knowing how to read Greek. But instead, you've resorted to feminine right brained thinking that depends on emotion and "narrative" (the "story" here being that this is some mystical, unbroken text tradition). You're basically behaving like faggots.

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630168  No.832510

>>832504

>Erasmus was not 2000 years ago. It was merely 500. He's closer to us than the ancient or even the later medieval church. This wasn't even an ancient manuscript he was copying either, but a critical text he formed practically by himself from a hodgepodge of late Byzantine texts. And he did it in a rush, because he wanted to beat a rival Spanish compiler undergoing a similar project.

Yes.

>You guys say you have a distrust for critical texts, but then just follow Erasmus who did the same thing himself

No, Erasmus' version had an assemblage of relatively minor errors. Nobody follows him. Are you familiar with the scholarship of Stephanus, Beza, the A.V. translators, and Elzevir family? John Mill in 1707 put together an excellent apparatus for collating the minute variants between these projects.

>His text doesn't even resemble the Majority of Byzantine texts either btw.. especially Revelation.

What part are you thinking of? Revelation 21:24 or 22:19?

It is a rather strange thing to constrain oneself to follow what is termed the "majority" representative text for the reason that there is no nonarbitrary definition of what constitutes one single ancient manuscript. So for instance you might have a large number of more recent copies that you might know are all derived from a single source, but their existence alone from a pure majoritarian textual-critical methodology would outweigh what might be relevant sources. The correct stand is to consider all valid sources and strictly disqualify all nonvalid sources such as the DSS which, while certainly a curiosity, were unknown until the 1940s and can have no weight on the received text.

Nonetheless, despite what I've just said, we would expect a majority text, however one might choose to define the bounds of it, to at least be reasonably close to the received text.

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