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1d3813  No.831663

What's the christian stand point on the black problem in america? Do we pretend nothing is going on and just say people are people and ignore the crime rate, is it ungodly to think they're pos? Please help me anon with this question I don't know what to think

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9c4636  No.831665

>>831663

Being redpilled and christian is hard sometimes I just need some guidance on how I go about the black situation

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524334  No.831668

My advice would be to arm yourself.

>Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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1d3813  No.831670

>>831668

I already carry

Is it godly to not like blacks because of the things they do like rape, steal, murder. As a Christian should I just look past these things because they are people. What do you think about the blacks anon?

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2748f9  No.831674

>>831663

Treat people fairly(and i mean fair in the civil sense, not the SJW sense).

That's all.

Their culture is off-balance and has crab bucket mentality, a large part due to their own fault, partially due to every decent leader or place they could form a decent community around getting assassinated or nuked by outsiders(see Black Wall Street).

Europe has the same problem with gypsies.

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ed165f  No.831676

>>831663

Blacks were once some of the most faithful churchgoers and had solid family lives. There was a time when even 50 years ago that you could live in urban black areas of Harlem and people still left their doors unlocked, just like they did across all of America. Even under poverty, they still had dignity. Not even extraneous circumstances sapped their spirit or destroyed their families. How about asking yourself how and why that changed. What happened? Simply saying that they are inherently bad doesn't make sense if you look back on history. Something happened between our time and that. I'll leave it up to you to find out. I'll just say that if you stumble upon the answer, you'll find it's the same reason that you're all in deep s—. All of you. Black and white alike. Good luck.

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42bf47  No.831677

>>831663

It's partially a product of their environment, but I don't see them as blameless. Cities make people insane, and blacks seem to be more susceptible to the effects of an urban environment. Rural blacks are pretty consistently good, kind people.

It's compounded by what the above anon >>831674 said. They choose to live the way that they do.

Nuke the cities I guess (in Minecraft).

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3ae56a  No.831682

Hey OP here,

I'm a new fag I've been browsing /pol for about 6 months now and since then a lot has changed about me. I need to know from some based Christians is it wrong for me to want to have all white nation? The only way I feel we could have a remotely close peaceful life is if everyone is white and of the same religion. Didn't god give everyone there own home land. Is thinking like this hateful? I think america has a real black problem..

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1a8d21  No.831687

>>831682

>wrong for me to want to have all white nation? The only way I feel we could have a remotely close peaceful life is if everyone is white and of the same religion. Didn't god give everyone there own home land. Is thinking like this hateful?

Well, it would be wrong to bar entry to your nation based on ancestry, as God abolished barriers between Jew and Gentile. An all-Christian nation sounds nice though.

>Didn't god give everyone there own home land.

I might have some German ancestry, but that’s not my homeland. Borders change, families move, or are forced to move. Not to say borders don’t exist; God has established borders. But one particular family or clan cannot be expected to remain in the same whatever-square-mike area for all time. Take the Celts for example. The originated in the Iberian peninsula, but if you hear the word Celt, you probably think Ireland.

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6b4830  No.831691

File: 10d1f539232392c⋯.jpg (453 KB, 1583x2048, 1583:2048, Nation.jpg)

Recognizing racial differences for the sake of security is healthy, and it's healthy to dwell among your own.

Multiculturalism and miscegenation are unnatural.

fairhandheritage.com

>>831687

>it would be wrong to bar entry to your nation based on ancestry, as God abolished barriers between Jew and Gentile.

Egalitarian nonsense

Did he abolish gender barriers too? No, it's a soteriological statement you're wrongly applying to nation states

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2748f9  No.831693

>>831682

>I'm a new fag I've been browsing /pol for about 6 months now and since then a lot has changed about me.

Oh boy.

>I need to know from some based Christians is it wrong for me to want to have all white nation?

No problem with that in the abstract, but /pol/ way of viewing things…tends to give way of baseless conspiratorial populistic bulls—, and end up with mass murders(why this site got kicked offline), and ruining ethnic nationalism for everyone.

>The only way I feel we could have a remotely close peaceful life is if everyone is white and of the same religion.

Well, that's not even tied exclusively to whiteness, but having a common identity helps with nation building, either an ethnic one, or a state-enforced civic one.

Even in Africa, the most successful black nations are Rwanda(which among a lot of awesome things i recommend people in this thread read about, enforced a national identity on pain of prison, after the genocide) and Botswana(land of the Tswana)

Not that that's a silver bullet.

Belarus doesn't have non-euro minorities, but still sucks.

>>831687

>Take the Celts for example. The originated in the Iberian peninsula, but if you hear the word Celt, you probably think Ireland.

And if you are a christian, you might be familiar with a celtic people from Anatolia called the Galatians.

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1a8d21  No.831694

>>831691

>Egalitarian nonsense

>Did he abolish gender barriers too? No, it's a soteriological statement you're wrongly applying to nation states

Huh???

> 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

The church can not distinguish between Christians based on ancestry. All citizens of the Byzantine Empire were citizens and Christians regardless of whether they were Greek, Roman, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Moroccan, Spaniard, or Egyptian. Read Paul’s epistles again.

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da5d40  No.831696

>>831663

It's nothing except one aspect of the larger problem of the synagogue of satan trying to force its values on the countries of the world. For example, they teach that we must erase all social borders other than Jew/Gentile where they are supposedly the "Jews."

This even applies to families, they want to break those up.

The Judeo-secular plan was realized in the U.S. with the "civil rights act" of 1964, which tries to abolish the concept of God-given rights (which Judaism rejects), and replace them with "civil rights" sometimes called "human rights" which are defined by talmudic scholars of Judaism. They call themselves ethics experts and they receive massive clandestine financial support from the synagogue to enact their cultural plans.

>>831694

Galatians 3:28 shows us that every person is of the same value in Christ. It does not teach that male and female must be treated exactly the same. Neither does it teach that we must treat aliens as if they were part of our family. The nation is nothing but a natural extension of the family. There is nothing wrong about treating your family as your family, God commanded every man to honor his father and mother. This kind of discrimination is natural and normal. If there were not powerful Judaic synagogues trying to impose unnatural things on a society by force, we wouldn't be having these problems as they would naturally resolve.

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1a8d21  No.831697

>>831696

Please provide any evidence that the early church and the first Christian kingdoms refused citizenship to people of other races.

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da5d40  No.831698

>>831696

Oh yes, and more than half of what you learn in the public schools about society before 1964 is nothing more than blatant propaganda curated and funded by the same enemies of the people. All the stuff about villainous racists, pitchforks and so forth is just warped history. All their "heroes" are just marxist agitators. Fortunately the records predating this are so vast and hard to erase, that anyone who is actually predisposed to investigate the truth of this can do so. All you have to do is learn to recognize the common judeo-secular narrative and immediately stop listening to anything else that source says, as it is biased. It is biased to the extent it will take a pile of rubbish and treat it like indisputable proof if it upholds their narrative. They couldn't care less about accuracy, and this level of indecent shamelessness on the part of the modernists, the level of moral bankruptcy, is what many people are not even ready to suppose others are even capable of. This sort of partisan approach to logic was called "liberating tolerance" by one early founder of this type of thought, Herbert Marcuse.

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6b4830  No.831699

>>831697

Israel

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6b4830  No.831700

>>831694

>Huh???

Read the verse again

>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

You're being inconsistent in your reading that this abolished barriers between nations but not sexes.

Your understanding of it's application to nation is egalitarian

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2748f9  No.831701

>>831698

>. Fortunately the records predating this are so vast and hard to erase, that anyone who is actually predisposed to investigate the truth of this can do so. All you have to do is learn to recognize the common judeo-secular narrative and immediately stop listening to anything else that source says, as it is biased.

>If you immediately dismiss everything you don't like, and only accept things you are predisposed to thinking are true, you will be objective.

Absolutely genius.

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da5d40  No.831704

>>831701

>If you immediately dismiss everything you don't like, and only accept things you are predisposed to thinking are true, you will be objective.

Yes, That's exactly what those "liberals" do and that's why you should not listen to their subjective ravings. The facts do not support those false narratives, this is provable from the evidence. So if you find someone parroting that propaganda you know what they are, mortal enemies of the truth who cannot survive prolonged exposure.

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49b445  No.831705

>>831674

Well said. I'd advise you take this advice to heart OP.

>>831682

There's nothing wrong with wanting to live among your own people. Secular society says it's perfectly acceptable for a non-white person to hold this belief, but it's viciously racist to if you're white. However, my journey was the opposite of yours in a way (browsed /pol/ for years before becoming a practicing Catholic), and over time I've learned that the average white person in America isn't much better than your average black. You can quote statistics all day long, but that doesn't change the fact that whites are in just as much trouble as blacks if we don't get our act together and submit to Christ. Just take a stroll around Walmart and take a good look at all the pasty blobs of dough dragging their feet around the place. Get a good whiff of their poor hygiene, note how they don't care about what they wear, listen to the moronic things they say and argue about with one another, and tell me if that's a people worth preserving. Without God, we amount to nothing.

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b2c76f  No.831706

>>831697

>Please provide any evidence that the early church and the first Christian kingdoms refused citizenship to people of other races.

What does that have to do with anything? Just because the first Christian kingdoms didn't do something doesn't mean it isn't permissible. Also who's to say the first Christian kingdoms did everything the best way?

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585c85  No.831720

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>>831665

Try being redpilled, Christian, and having a black girlfriend.

AMA

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6b4830  No.831723

>>831720

Why don't you want your children to look like you?

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585c85  No.831725

>>831723

Came to the realization that I would love my children no matter if they were deformed, crippled, or retarded.

The last thing that should bother me is if they are half-black. Especially if they are raised by the woman I love.

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6b4830  No.831726

>>831725

Don't mistake me as equating black genes to being crippled but you don't deliberately bring crippled babies into the world

Mongrels are not God's design. Your child will feel rootless.

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585c85  No.831727

>>831726

Poor parenting leads to children feeling rootless. It would be irresponsible to raise a child without instilling a sense of identity.

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6b4830  No.831728

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>>831727

It's more than nurture

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2748f9  No.831732

>>831704

>Yes, That's exactly what those "liberals" do and that's why you should not listen to their subjective ravings.

Oh, so your plan is to be as retarded as the SJWs, but in the opposite direction.

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8fc36a  No.831734

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>>831726

I'm mixed race but don't see myself as being rootless but inheriting multiple roots, I love to learning about the history and culture of my peoples on either side, It is only a matter of how people perceive me, which has an element of subjectivity, but I know my identity, kind of like the hypostatic union.

>>831728

i don't think that is a necessarily mixed phenomenon or applies to all of them, you have self hating people of any race, white-guilt, weebs, various fetishises, not to mention the lgbt mania, in other words contingent societal conditioning that has no grounding in metaphysics or religion

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da5d40  No.831757

>>831732

I think you got confused by the difference between not giving equal weight to propaganda by not listening to it, and dismissing things simply because you don't like them. People in the Soviet system for example had plenty of time to learn to recognize what was actual propaganda and what wasn't. That wasn't simply choosing what they like, because often times lies are crafted to appeal to the base senses and emotions so it would be easier to uncritically accept them.

Part of the liberal bias is thinking that all "voices" are equal, so to reject anything at all is tantamount to "not listening to what we don't like." This is only true in the case of progressives themselves. We know their false equivalency is not true, as tyranny often controls the means of communication. One side only uses flattering speech full of lies, and it assumes that you must listen to it or else you are no different than it, but this is itself part of the propaganda, which you are now reiterating. It assumes the so-called horseshoe theory, which is deeply relativist and opposed to the concept of absolute truth.

You will also notice the key difference in my approach. I said if someone wants to learn the truth they can do so, if they are able to recognize the propaganda narrative and then give zero weight to it. This can be reduced to the classical theory of critical thinking in its pure sense.

It is possible to realize just how intellectually bankrupt the judeo-secular narrative really is, part of which includes part of what you've just said, and anyone who leans on that demonstrates their overall lack of discernment. So I will take that into account with anything else you try to say.

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e7779d  No.831779

>>831706

If the early church didn't do it, it's innovation, and to practice it means that you'd have to accept that people can add whatever doctrine they want.

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585c85  No.831794

>>831779

Well we know the early church at least permitted semetic hebrews, ethnically greek people, as well as even Italians so logically there wasn't an issue with at least these races all being Christian. There doesnt seem to be anything in the new testament that would point to when we're called to spread the gospel that it is only to be spread to certain groups of people.

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8abda9  No.831796

>>831670

>Is it godly to not like blacks because of the things they do like rape, steal, murder.

It's godly to love your neighbor, but loving someone doesn't mean to bend over to dangerous people.

>As a Christian should I just look past these things because they are people

No.

>What do you think about the blacks anon?

They're conquered people, media brainwashed into self destruction and betrayed by their genetics.

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173bf1  No.831828

>>831734

But being "rooted" is to fundamentally identify with your heritage, to say you fundamentally identify with two peoples who are not only not synonymous, but radically different isn't consistent. To hand wave away incompatibilities and inconsitensies between identities is the essence of rootlessness.

>>831796

Anti-white media doesn't help, but ethnic animus between two radically different peoples in close proximity is natural and inevitable. Socialization was meant to be a substantially closed and self-consistent system, diverse peoples forced into a social crab bucket is an inherently disruptive to normal socialisation, and weird strangers breaking with the percieved social norms and consistency always created friction.

>>831720

What's it like to be this terminally blue-pilled?

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6306c3  No.831837

You sit on the internet too much. A lot of them are trying to escape the ghetto life, and are decent. But even if you did and/or do meet some, confirmation bias will kick in, and you'll look for reasons to discredit, judge, and criticize. Those things are unchristian and separate you from God.

Remember that legacy is a scam. You will be forgotten in 2 generations or less. You can worship dying corpses who have the same color as you and do whatever to try and keep that afloat. However, your ideology and whatever you've done to try and "save" the white race can easily be undone by your offspring and you'll be unable to do anything to stop it once you're dead. Nothing here will last.

Point is, build spiritual treasure in heaven. Develop a heart like His, patience and endurance for all sorts of things, are good things to have. Especially for the people you find it hard to like or tolerate. Exclusively temporal things like ethnic nationalism harden hearts, are not eternal and stand in the way of you obtaining that.

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8fc36a  No.831839

>>831828

>To hand wave away incompatibilities and inconsitensies between identities is the essence of rootlessness.

can you explain? Both are of human nature and are genetically proximate to my makeup, otherwise i'd be something more or less than human, unless you want to play that game.

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585c85  No.831847

>>831828

I have fundamentally have more in common with a black Christian than a white atheist. A good black Christian holds the important values for a thriving society. Namely the baseline morality, opposition to divorce, and charity.

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6b4830  No.831848

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>>831837

Strip away the virtue language of this post and you're left with "objecting to multiculturalism is not Christian loving"

No thanks

>>831847

You probably have more in common in terms of worldview with a black Christian, that's doesnt mean cohabitation is desirable

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7947ee  No.831856

Tangible non-ethno-seperatist solution:

Gentrification continues to revitalize inner city neighborhoods and the murder rates don't follow those who are made to migrate to the suburbs because it, potentially allowing better prospects to ensuing generations.

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2748f9  No.831859

>>831828

>But being "rooted" is to fundamentally identify with your heritage, to say you fundamentally identify with two peoples who are not only not synonymous, but radically different isn't consistent. To hand wave away incompatibilities and inconsitensies between identities is the essence of rootlessness.

Dude, a ton of ethnicities and nations in this world have as their origin stories group A trading/waring/migrating with group B, who were a radically different group of faggots, and merging together.

I'm against interethnic/racial blandaing up, but there's nothing weird with multiethnic identification.

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7edfd9  No.833232

>>831682

Technically, it's not wrong to believe that, but ethnonationalism and ethnostates are going to the unnecessary extreme. Nations are justified in preserving their ethnic/racial identity by maintaining a majority in the land, but that should be the extent of it. Foreigners should still be allowed so long as the racial/ethnic majority is preserved in the nation and these foreigners properly assimilate and behave. I'd ultimately say that racial majoritarianism is perfectly reasonable in the Christian worldview, but anything further is too extreme.

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6b4830  No.833233

>>833232

"That's extreme" isn't an explanation

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7edfd9  No.833235

>>833233

Why is having a nation that is purely one race/ethnicity necessary? If the nation maintains its original racial/ethnic majority, why can't foreigners reside in the nation as long as they assimilate and behave? The only reason for completely forbidding anyone of any foreign race/ethnicity to live in the nation is out of ignorantly applying racial/ethnic group averages to every individual within the group, which is blatant racism and against the tenets of Christianity. I could go further in depth as this is a discussion that requires considerable nuance, but I'll leave it at that for now.

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6b4830  No.833236

>>833235

>Why is having a nation that is purely one race/ethnicity necessary

I'm not saying it is, I'm only pointing out that "extremism" isn't an argument.

>If the nation maintains its original racial/ethnic majority, why can't foreigners reside in the nation as long as they assimilate and behave?

I don't see a problem with that, but that's up to the host nation. The imperative from the Bible is to treat foreigners fairly while they're in your land.

>The only reason for completely forbidding anyone of any foreign race/ethnicity to live in the nation is out of ignorantly applying racial/ethnic group averages to every individual within the group

No it isn't, that's a strawman

>which is blatant racism and against the tenets of Christianity.

gaslighting

Why do you feel that aliens are entitled to live in the land of natives? Do you apply this to your own house?

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6b4830  No.833238

>>833235

>>833236

To clarify we are using "nation" as in nation state here, not nation as in ethnos which is the biblical use.

"Ethnicity that is one ethnicity" is always the case obviously.

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da5d40  No.833240

At the end of the day, we see national boundaries rise simply due to the order of nature without any specific need to enforce anything.

The only reason there is a problem right now are the hypocritical antidiscrimination laws that really have no place in an ordered society, because they are used onesidedly to extract value by force, from one segment to another. Get rid of all antidiscrimination laws, simply keep a peaceful society and ensure by the justice system that nobody does violence to each other, and things will sort themselves out.

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fbd8da  No.833242

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>>833240

Maybe it is a specific problem with mutt culture (an oxymoron in of itself).

Certainly in countries like Ethiopia, they are very pious. Take the sky chapel built at the tops of mountains wherein the very journey is a test of dedication and fortitude.

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b596d6  No.833280

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It's a difficult question, and one Christians of previous centuries, not living in the playpen of satanists (Racial homogeneity = far, far greater peace, OBVIOUSLY) didn't have to ask themselves. The condition of the negro definitely seems like an anamoly in the world, lol.

You could argue that the white man's burden/manifest destiny/missionary mindset and colonialism etc has brought endlessly more harm than good; but before the introduction of Jewish revolutionary discord, things seemed to go alright. Blacks, simple minded humans, tended the fields and lived humble lives, generally. Abner Jay is a minstrel/gospel musician I listen to sometimes who recalls this time with nostalgia. Maybe read E Micheal Jones' book on it, i don't know.

Let's not forget though that every race living today is a weakened and lesser version of it's former self, and everyone on this b

The theme of diminishing magic is ever present in mythology and real life, it's the point ot LOTR and I'm sure you've experienced it, for example. The whole world is on the decline until the second coming, and that applies everywhere, also in race relations. It never really was a Christian problem explicitly like I mentioned anyway, I think. Saint Moses the Black is one of my favorite saints, but the fact he was a tar black Ethiopean was a point of humility, recognized even among the monks.

We should seriously evauluate our stance on just war theory, cause that's all we're really discussing. If your intention is to take away from the thread that tiggers aren't people and ca thus be hated as much as you want, or you can kill them, whatever, you have to take a serious look at your spiritual life. Practically, the only way this influences us of course is this terrible tribal tension and violence that's been thrown in our lap by they who shall not be named. That's really all it comes down to, the ethics of self defense, just war, survivalism.But even that's more complicated, because race relations are weaponised in almost every way.

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>>833280

>Everyone on this b

Everyone on this board should probably be open to the idea that the world will not last another 100 years, for real

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>>833280

>You could argue that the white man's burden/manifest destiny/missionary mindset and colonialism etc has brought endlessly more harm than good; but before the introduction of Jewish revolutionary discord, things seemed to go alright. Blacks, simple minded humans, tended the fields and lived humble lives, generally. Abner Jay is a minstrel/gospel musician I listen to sometimes who recalls this time with nostalgia. Maybe read E Micheal Jones' book on it, i don't know.

Lol.

Race relations and colonianism, with their "civilizing missions", were always a massive s—show(though not quite the 100% negative hell liberals make it to be, it was full of horrifying insanity).

EM Jones is just a hack.

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